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North American Union - End of the US as we know it.
    #5816565 - 07/03/06 04:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueAdeZuns3A
Couldn't really find an article about it.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: daussaulit]
    #5816757 - 07/03/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union

The Council on Foreign relations ordered this last year. And as you'll see in the video, Bush agreed to it without permission from congress. This is just one more step towards destroying the US constitution, and consolidating power. These trade agreements are not good for the working class. Eventually this will lead to a North American currency, and destruction of the *middle* class.

Americans seemed so willing to trade their liberty for security. And now that the liberty is gone, they wonder why they are losing their country. Its quite sad really.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: J4S0N]
    #5818646 - 07/04/06 01:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I am siting patiently waiting for the explanation followed promptly by great praise for this step by the bush supporters of this forum.

Do the rank and file "patriots" agree with this?


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: daussaulit]
    #5819029 - 07/04/06 07:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The US federal government is a burden to the world and quite frankly it holds you guys back too.

I call for disbanding the USA, letting the States become Nations and then letting these Nations on a secondary level form an union.

So basically: the "states" as #1 and the "united" as second place, instead of the current situation, let there for instance be the Nation of Kansas that is a member of the American Union.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5819174 - 07/04/06 09:16 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I can't access the video.

What's this about? An extension of NAFTA?




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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: Phred]
    #5819473 - 07/04/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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The North American Union is an international government encompassing the nations of Canada, the United States, and Mexico. It could be considered the North American analogue of the European Union. The union erases all borders between the countries creating the NAU.

The blueprint for this governing body was laid out in a 2005 report entitled "Building a North American Community" published by the Independent Task Force on North America, a partnership among the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), an American foreign policy think tank, the Canadian Council of Chief Executives, and the Consejo Mexicano de Asuntos Internacionales.

The Independent Task Force on North America was chaired by Canadian politician John Manley, a former Deputy Prime Minister.




Never gonna happen.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: Redstorm]
    #5819506 - 07/04/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

people would have said the same about Europe 30 years ago. And now, they are the EU.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: Vvellum]
    #5819539 - 07/04/06 11:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I just can't seen the American public voting this through. This is one of those issues which would have to be put up for vote, or they would have a very bad scene on their hands.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: Redstorm]
    #5819562 - 07/04/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well, I think the proponents of this measure agree with you. Expect a massive PR campaign and plenty secret agreements. If the CFR is pushing this, it will become policy eventually.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: Vvellum]
    #5819579 - 07/04/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I sure hope I'm right. The idea of a global (or even continental) government scares me.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: Redstorm]
    #5819774 - 07/04/06 12:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I sure hope I'm right. The idea of a global (or even continental) government scares me.




Me too, but its as real as can be. Bush and his cronies are pushing this to no end(secretly) so him and his big business buddies can make even more profits. Once this event happens, the middle classes of Canada and the USA will slowly dissolve as cheap Mexican labour is used to replace it. They are already talking about trans continental highway system, connecting the 3 countries like never before.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: daussaulit]
    #5820077 - 07/04/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Swwwweet. One step closer to a North American Technate.  :thumbup:


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5820223 - 07/04/06 02:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

is the motivation simply "profit"?


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: Redstorm]
    #5820467 - 07/04/06 03:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I just can't seen the American public voting this through. This is one of those issues which would have to be put up for vote, or they would have a very bad scene on their hands.




I have a customer who shops where I work.. Smart girl who wrote some thesis paper on "The Latinization Of America". She talks about it all the time, how the American gene pool will eventually be watered down to the point where things like this not only can happen but will become necessary.

So yah, we will see where Americans stand 30 years from now when the numbers of full Americans equals that of mixed Latins.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5820628 - 07/04/06 04:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What exactly is Full American?


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: daussaulit]
    #5820767 - 07/04/06 05:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: tak]
    #5820861 - 07/04/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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root-ninja-tak said:
What exactly is Full American?




Id say Full Americans are those who are 5th generation or more. Those who embraces common American values and traditions. Those who are either white or black.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: Asante]
    #5820871 - 07/04/06 05:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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The US federal government is a burden to the world and quite frankly it holds you guys back too.

I call for disbanding the USA, letting the States become Nations and then letting these Nations on a secondary level form an union.

So basically: the "states" as #1 and the "united" as second place, instead of the current situation, let there for instance be the Nation of Kansas that is a member of the American Union.




Not a bad idea, but that'll make for alot weird looking, square-shaped countries.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: Asante]
    #5821442 - 07/04/06 08:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
The US federal government is a burden to the world and quite frankly it holds you guys back too.

I call for disbanding the USA, letting the States become Nations and then letting these Nations on a secondary level form an union.

So basically: the "states" as #1 and the "united" as second place, instead of the current situation, let there for instance be the Nation of Kansas that is a member of the American Union.




so, like the confederacy?


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: Vvellum]
    #5821480 - 07/04/06 09:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Id say Full Americans are those who are 5th generation or more. Those who embraces common American values and traditions. Those who are either white or black.




Umm you kinda leave out the people who have been americans for thousands of years, as well as the asians who worked at the railroads.. In fact some people of any race are "full" americans.
Know thine history, so you don't need a foreigner to tell you your own country wasn't all black and white :smirk:

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so, like the confederacy?




In a way, yes, but more like European nations and the EU or African nations and the AU. Everybody is doing it :smile:


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: Asante]
    #5821493 - 07/04/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

TEchincally, no one is full anything, unless ya a full african, since dats where Our roots are homiez.? I can say the closest" full " american, is a fucking native american, but seriously WHO THE FUCK CARES?


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: Asante]
    #5821654 - 07/04/06 10:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The EU is bad news. They've been wanting to make a western bloc for years.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #5821838 - 07/04/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Total control of what, europe? its called eu for a reason.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: Asante]
    #5823019 - 07/05/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Umm you kinda leave out the people who have been americans for thousands of years, as well as the asians who worked at the railroads.. In fact some people of any race are "full" americans.




Id leave out most all of the Asians no matter how long theyve been here because they dont embrace common American values.

One example is the church..  They may be catholic or christian but they have their own all Asian churches and only give to Asian causes.  Asian clubs, Asian Radio, TV, Asian this or that.  As a whole, Asians arent doing what they should to integrate into American culture

They realy should try less hard and make less sacrafice for their children so they all have the chance to grow up to be fat and lazy like the rest of us Americans.    Pffft, who wants to be a doctor anyway. :grin:


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5823184 - 07/05/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What about a native american, who was converted early on in the founding of the USA, he would embrace "american religon", dude techinicallly what you are saying doesnt apply to the constitution, I mean most of our founding four fathers werent even christian, Thomas Jefferson for example was deist.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: DinahTheCat]
    #5823476 - 07/05/06 12:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

America is a word made up and defined by Americans..

Indians were here first but the idea that they are "Americans" just dont hold.

Indians are the only group I feel have the right to build Indian comunities. I havnt been out of the country much but Ive never herd of a "little America" being built any other place in the world.

Here in LA we have a Little Everything. Areas of town where nothing is in english and everyone is foreign.

I know Im being a dick about all this but thats just the way its got to be.. I just dont believe that other cultures should have ever been free to thrive in America..

They want to come her, they need to be more American.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5823887 - 07/05/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Extremely paranoid propaganda designed to make you throw your vote away for some schizophrenic third party that doesn't have any chance of winning.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: Luddite]
    #5823892 - 07/05/06 02:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Social Darwinism at work. Adapt or die.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: Luddite]
    #5825281 - 07/05/06 08:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I can't believe I haven't seen any shocked and outraged canoodians. I mean, wtf? It's set to be the American-Canadian merger.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5825932 - 07/05/06 11:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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America is a word made up and defined by Americans..

Indians were here first but the idea that they are "Americans" just dont hold.

Indians are the only group I feel have the right to build Indian comunities. I havnt been out of the country much but Ive never herd of a "little America" being built any other place in the world.

Here in LA we have a Little Everything. Areas of town where nothing is in english and everyone is foreign.

I know Im being a dick about all this but thats just the way its got to be.. I just dont believe that other cultures should have ever been free to thrive in America..

They want to come her, they need to be more American.




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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: downforpot]
    #5826950 - 07/06/06 08:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

wasnt he a map maker and explorer? oh and dude GabbaDj, you mean that they need to eat more fast food, become extremely obese, become more materialistic, give into government propaganda, except fear-tactics played out by government, and die a soulless meaningless life that didnt start with greed, but ending and began with greed upon entrance to the "home of the free"? Yes i think that is what you mean, and you should really except the fact that the united states is not what our founding four fathers sought it out to be, where big brother is just around the corner, where opinion is made fact, and where we "americans" give up more and more freedoms in effect to more and more fear created by our government? Im fucking moving to canada


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: DinahTheCat]
    #5827072 - 07/06/06 09:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Im fucking moving to canada




from wikipedia:
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The Independent Task Force on North America was chaired by Canadian politician John Manley, a former Deputy Prime Minister.




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The three nations that make up the NAU would either significantly diminish or else erase remaining trade and travel restrictions with each other, making entry into their countries from the other two nearly as easy as crossing state or provincial lines within each of said countries (as is already the case within the EU).





IOW, canada is not going to be a place to run from this.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: debianlinux]
    #5827108 - 07/06/06 10:06 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well let me rephrase where I might try to hide from this: New Zealand, or Siebra?


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: DinahTheCat]
    #5827540 - 07/06/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Im just saying that its time to stop letting them bring their country onto our soil..

People come to America to leave their own country.

We should have one english language, no signs in foreign languages aloud, everyone here has got to learn english or they dont get to drive, vote, purchase land or open businesses.

Learning the language is just the start. Churches, cultural events, and so on should be banned. In my area we have ALL asian churches, All Armenian malls, All Israeli festivals and a growing supermarket chain that caters to all hispanics.. Just walk in and not one American, nobody speaks english and everything is written in Spanish...

I watch the clock at work all the time and count the hours between times I deal with an American, or at least someone without a foreign accent. I can go through 50 customers back to back before I find one that speaks english.

I see first hand how in my area we have lost all of our Americanism by letting soo many foreigners turn different parts of our city into areas that dont resemble America in any way.

Yes, its hard to define what Americanism should mean but It should include not letting restaurants and stores open up that no American can read the menu or any of the signs.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5828659 - 07/06/06 06:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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we have lost all of our Americanism by letting soo many foreigners turn different parts of our city into areas that dont resemble America in any way.




if Americans are doing it in America then it resembles America in every way.
it's easy for me to take your counterpoint when i live with trees, rusted pickups and buildings that have been standing prior to the revolutionary war.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: debianlinux]
    #5828929 - 07/06/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Foreigners MAKE and STAND for what America is, can you not see that Gabba? America is (or was more or less) hope and a new life for many, who are yet to set out from opression of their own government. In the 1800s it was mainly the Europeans, the Irish in mass quantities fleeing from famine, as well as others who sought out in hope for a better life, or a better life for their family. I would love to live in LA, which is culturally diffused and diffusing constantly, expanding our horizons in the culinary arts, as well as the visual arts and music. I can understand how it may come to you as appalling when one is faced with such chaos such as unknown or different things as well as people ironically doing better in America than "truer" americans that are beggars, without evening knowing the country's language that they live in. Parts of your city as well as many american cities that are strictly limited to certain ethnic orgin correspond to the people within those areas as a way to slowly readjust to their enviroment and have their own part in a slowly diminishing captialist society, in essence, to take part in the "American Dream".


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: DinahTheCat]
    #5829001 - 07/06/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Also, your stance reminds me of "Bill The Butcher" , or Willima Poole, who was protrayed by Daniel Day-Lewis, in Gangs of New York. He is a nativist new yorker who depises the Irish and their "ill causing" political persuance, as well as their plagueing of American soil.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: DinahTheCat]
    #5829707 - 07/06/06 10:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Most of my rantings come from the fact that all too often I feel like the foreigner in my own country.

I shouldnt have to sort through the pamphlets at the DMV for the one written in English or press one for my language.

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Parts of your city as well as many American cities that are strictly limited to certain ethnic origin correspond to the people within those areas as a way to slowly readjust to their environment and have their own part in a slowly diminishing capitalist society, in essence, to take part in the "American Dream".




More like the opposite.  These ethnic areas are growing in size and numbers and arent used as a way to adjust to American Society but more for a way to never have to adjust.

Ever watch Spanglish?  A line from that movie bugs me and sums up my point exactly.  "it was only after several years of living in America that we first felt like we were living in a foreign country.   

The quote was in reference to when the lady had to step out of her neighborhood to look for a job.

Not that long ago a school opened up in Los Angeles with a curriculum that focuses not on American history and American curriculum but instead teaches Mexican Curriculum, Mexican History.  Since the school is almost 99% hispanic all classes are taught in spanish because "many of the children have a hard time understanding English".  The school is founded by two Hispanic activists with shady pasts who have made many Anti-American statements on both radio and TV.

Its just getting out of control.


Anyway, I do love the cultural diversity and the art, music, food and everything that comes with living in Los Angeles and it might surprise you to know that I have very few American friends.  Most are Mexican, my closest friend right now is Saudi.  His mom loves me and invites me over all the time so not to sound cliche but Ive got lots of foreign friends :crazy2:.

I did however grow up in Minnesota from the time I could walk till I was 18.  About 70% of the men in my family are Military, even my Mother was a Navy Nurse and my Grandmother is a Retired Army Lifer.  Soo I come from a real proud to be American family and grew up in the heartland with the rusted trucks, fishing lakes and trees and all the traditions that have come with trick or treating, Christmas, easter, county fairs and respect for your neighbor that comes with being American.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5830008 - 07/06/06 11:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I do see what you mean, but it just seems inevitable that it is the way it is, but in a sense, new york city as well as parts of california had more large amounts(compared to population) of immigrants and foreigners in the 1800s, meaning alot of asians working for gold during the gold rush in california, and alota irish folks in new york, so is it really that different? I think its all due to America's policy of capitalism, i mean look at walmart, they took advantage of the whole siuation, hiring illegal immigrants as well as treating them and other even citizen employees like shit.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5831239 - 07/07/06 11:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Umm you kinda leave out the people who have been americans for thousands of years, as well as the asians who worked at the railroads.. In fact some people of any race are "full" americans.




Id leave out most all of the Asians no matter how long theyve been here because they dont embrace common American values.

One example is the church.. They may be catholic or christian but they have their own all Asian churches and only give to Asian causes. Asian clubs, Asian Radio, TV, Asian this or that. As a whole, Asians arent doing what they should to integrate into American culture





america has a consumer culture,who would want to integrate to that?
whats wrong with being free to preserve your own culture and way of life? assimilation is what colonialists and imperialists do to the populations they subjugate, after burning the books,destroying the history,and slaughtering any that don't submit. thew whole point of america is to have the freedom to live anyway that you want as long as it doesnt harm others without persecution.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: debianlinux]
    #5831743 - 07/07/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I can't believe I haven't seen any shocked and outraged canoodians. I mean, wtf? It's set to be the American-Canadian merger.




What's to say? People have been warning everyone against this for decades. Everyone ignored and called those people consiracy theorists. Now those idiots are noticing but acting like there's nothing they can do about it. This isn't suprising, it was planned long, long ago. If you were one who ignored it then you're to blame. You can see Bush Sr. call for a One World Government in news clips from the Gulf War, and Bush Jr. has also called for it, as well as others within the top government. There's nothing new here and there's more to come.

Do I want it? No. But when nobody's been listening, thinking they're too sensible for crazy theories that somehow manifest before their eyes, what support does that small percentage of actually sane people have to make things change? What if the only thing that could stop this (besides the populace waking up - unlikely) is a physical overthrow of the Gov?


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5831753 - 07/07/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Not that long ago a school opened up in Los Angeles with a curriculum that focuses not on American history and American curriculum but instead teaches Mexican Curriculum, Mexican History. Since the school is almost 99% hispanic all classes are taught in spanish because "many of the children have a hard time understanding English". The school is founded by two Hispanic activists with shady pasts who have made many Anti-American statements on both radio and TV.



Why is this a problem?

As you pointed out, it's not paid for with taxpayer dollars. Are you suggesting that free speach should be limited and anti-American sentiments not allowed?

If "all-American" public schools are allowed to claim that work done on evolution is "wrong" why can't a private school suggest that the American government makes bad decisions?

More to the point, isn't a parochial school making a statement about how legally-protected rights (like the right to an abortion) are immoral the same thing as making an anti-American statement? After all, the American government guarantees you a right that they believe is immoral. The Catholic Church even went so far as to declare many politicians who supported those views as immoral and deny them Holy Communion.

Why would all of that be okay, but if two hispanic individuals want to pay for their own private school to teach their own opinions, suddenly it's wrong?


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    #5833576 - 07/07/06 10:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Because this is America, the most free country in the world, but still, not that free since we bathe in our own shit.(not literaly :hehehe:)


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: DinahTheCat]
    #5833790 - 07/07/06 11:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

And it wont be "America" for long if we keep letting  "freedom" reign.

still as hard as I try to think about it, I cant come up with a real definition of "Americanism"..  I guess Im just jaded by watching every ethnic group support only themselves and get away with it soo successfully..

We all know the example.  Blacks can have black only groups but whites cant, Koreans can have reality companies which cater to Koreans ONLY but Americans cant, Businesses of any ethnic group, no matter how large they get can exclude everyone else but their own group but lets see White Americans try that...  They will go to jail for it. :thumbdown:

I played golf with an American and an Armenian today..  Me and the other white guy work hard jobs (janitor/butcher).  The other works in the film industry for a major company which hires about 98% Armenians (about 2500 Armenians).  He makes about 85K a year. 

Its this protecting your own sort of thinking that us Americans get bashed for yet others get praised for.

Just look at Affirmative Action.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: Economist]
    #5833804 - 07/07/06 11:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Why is this a problem?

As you pointed out, it's not paid for with taxpayer dollars. Are you suggesting that free speach should be limited and anti-American sentiments not allowed?

If "all-American" public schools are allowed to claim that work done on evolution is "wrong" why can't a private school suggest that the American government makes bad decisions?




I said Founded not Funded.. That school does get my tax dollars and thats why its been news around here...


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5834490 - 07/08/06 08:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

And who do you think sets the policy for these sorts of things? Who pushes multi-culturalism in the media and schools? I'd bet money none of those poor imigrants did. Its your government, they one you Americans seem to love so much. They are the ones that sold you out, they are the ones that have been destroying your communities. Don't blame the immigrants, they are just trying to live their life like you are. The only way to solve these sorts of problems, its on a political level in your own community.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: J4S0N]
    #5834571 - 07/08/06 09:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Jason, your right, and in my opinion, it seems the immigrants are more american than us americans are.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: downforpot]
    #5834702 - 07/08/06 11:05 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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America is a word made up and defined by Americans..

Indians were here first but the idea that they are "Americans" just dont hold.

Indians are the only group I feel have the right to build Indian comunities. I havnt been out of the country much but Ive never herd of a "little America" being built any other place in the world.

Here in LA we have a Little Everything. Areas of town where nothing is in english and everyone is foreign.

I know Im being a dick about all this but thats just the way its got to be.. I just dont believe that other cultures should have ever been free to thrive in America..

They want to come her, they need to be more American.




Do you know who AMERIGO Vespucci is?




Ever heard of the native word Amerrique?

I have nothing more to add to this conversation, I'm heading to the pacific islands or southern asia ASAP.


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    #5834734 - 07/08/06 11:17 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah dude, pacific islands to me would be bliss, actually, maybe somewhere more desolate, with a bookshelf of great books, a sketchbook, a bag of surival equipment, and a hot ass hooker, id be set.


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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5834949 - 07/08/06 12:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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We all know the example.  Blacks can have black only groups but whites cant, Koreans can have reality companies which cater to Koreans ONLY but Americans cant, Businesses of any ethnic group, no matter how large they get can exclude everyone else but their own group but lets see White Americans try that...  They will go to jail for it. :thumbdown:



Are you serious!?!

Have you ever even TRIED to buy Real Estate from a Korean Reality company?  Have you ever actually been asked the leave the premises of a foreign-run business?  There is no BUSINESS in AMERICA that will throw out someone willing to spend money.

I have eaten in restaurants and shopped in stores where the clerks barely spoke english and bent over backwards to still try and accomodate me.  They brought out product catelogues, pointed to pictures, all attempting to desperately cater to my money.  Because that's what businesses do, they cater to MONEY not to ethnicities.  I'm more than willing to bet that you have never walked into a place of business with the intent of making a purchase and have been asked to leave for being "white".

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I played golf with an American and an Armenian today..  Me and the other white guy work hard jobs (janitor/butcher).  The other works in the film industry for a major company which hires about 98% Armenians (about 2500 Armenians).  He makes about 85K a year. 

Its this protecting your own sort of thinking that us Americans get bashed for yet others get praised for.



Are you kidding me?  You really think this sort of thing doesn't happen in reverse?

Let me tell you a story, a true story.  I am and undergraduate economics major and have been thinking of pursuing a career in I-Banking.  Every year for the past 3 I would go to my University's sponsored career fair, where the major I-Banking firms (Credit Suisse, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs) would come and recruit for either summer internships or permanent positions for graduates.

Every year the firms also invite back everyone who they awarded a job to the previous year so that they could talk about the experience.  And every year the audience that goes, listens, and applies for the jobs is about 50% Asian, and 30% female.  And every year the people who are invited back because they got the jobs last year are 100% white and male.  Now, I have classes with Asian students and female students, and I know for a fact that they are every bit as knowledgable and skilled as their white male counterparts.  I also know that the vast majority of them have excellent english skills, with many of them born in America.

And yet year after year, all the jobs go to white men.  Why does this happen?  Because intentionally or otherwise there are some groups who do "protect the race" in America, even when the race is caucasian.


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    #5834984 - 07/08/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

And every year the audience that goes, listens, and applies for the jobs is about 50% Asian, and 30% female. And every year the people who are invited back because they got the jobs last year are 100% white and male.

That sounds odd. Have you checked the actual employment stats rather than just the stats on who comes back to talk to the crowd each year? I can't see them rejecting 50% of the asian applicants for many of the jobs.

And with outsourcing the way it is with a lot of i-banking you'd think there'd be a pretty healthy indian component in the companies.


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    #5835462 - 07/08/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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And who do you think sets the policy for these sorts of things? Who pushes multi-culturalism in the media and schools? I'd bet money none of those poor imigrants did. Its your government, they one you Americans seem to love so much. They are the ones that sold you out, they are the ones that have been destroying your communities. Don't blame the immigrants, they are just trying to live their life like you are. The only way to solve these sorts of problems, its on a political level in your own community.




Excellent post. The problem indeed is a political one. Which is why I've tried to explain to people that building a wall isn't going to help a damn thing to stop the immigration. The companies who hire illegals have to be punished to put an end to this. And just now finally when people are starting to really bitch about it, they are just going to erase the boarders entirely. Enjoy your middle-class now canada, you are about see a flood of foreign workers just like we have been putting up with for so long.


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    #5836982 - 07/08/06 09:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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And who do you think sets the policy for these sorts of things?  Who pushes multi-culturalism in the media and schools?  I'd bet money none of those poor imigrants did.  Its your government, they one  you Americans seem to love so much.  They are the ones that sold you out, they are the ones that have been destroying your communities.  Don't blame the immigrants, they are just trying to live their life like you are.  The only way to solve these sorts of problems, its on a political level in your own community.









I never said that I love my government, in fact I only like it about 50% of the time...  Which is more than Bushes aproval rateings. :smirk:

This brings us to the origional topic of this thread.  Which was the North American Union..  The Union of USA, Canada and Mexico..  Which I believe can only happen if and when Amerfica gets diluted with the cultures of countries from around the world to the point where we lose the ideas of patriotism, freedom, liberty and Americanism.

Only then can our government get whatever they want from us.


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    #5837479 - 07/08/06 11:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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That sounds odd. Have you checked the actual employment stats rather than just the stats on who comes back to talk to the crowd each year? I can't see them rejecting 50% of the asian applicants for many of the jobs.

And with outsourcing the way it is with a lot of i-banking you'd think there'd be a pretty healthy indian component in the companies.



To begin with, you can't outsource I-Banking, it just can't be done. So much of it is straight up selling (either selling to the customer or selling your research to your boss so he can sell it to the customer) with huge amounts of money, so that no one would ever outsource. You simply have to meet several times in person on every single deal because they are all that large/important. You'll do intense analysis for a month and maybe be responsible for closing 1 deal after countless person-to-person meetings, it just can't be moved to India.

Now, on the otherhand, tons of Indian and East Asian nationals get degrees in the US and then move back to their home countries to carry out I-Banking.

As for statistics, I can't find anything expansive, but for a good idea, check out the career vault and search for any popular financial firm (here's a link to Pricewaterhouse http://www.vault.com/companies/company_main.jsp?co_page=13&type=workplace&product_id=332 ) you'll find the same universal complaint of "no diversity". Just search for anything, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, doesn't matter, they all have the "no diversity" complaint. It's also important to note that the vault surveys come from employees, not management, so it's a more realistic view of the company that you'd get from a prospectus.


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