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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: debianlinux]
#5831743 - 07/07/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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debianlinux said: I can't believe I haven't seen any shocked and outraged canoodians. I mean, wtf? It's set to be the American-Canadian merger.
What's to say? People have been warning everyone against this for decades. Everyone ignored and called those people consiracy theorists. Now those idiots are noticing but acting like there's nothing they can do about it. This isn't suprising, it was planned long, long ago. If you were one who ignored it then you're to blame. You can see Bush Sr. call for a One World Government in news clips from the Gulf War, and Bush Jr. has also called for it, as well as others within the top government. There's nothing new here and there's more to come.
Do I want it? No. But when nobody's been listening, thinking they're too sensible for crazy theories that somehow manifest before their eyes, what support does that small percentage of actually sane people have to make things change? What if the only thing that could stop this (besides the populace waking up - unlikely) is a physical overthrow of the Gov?
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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: GabbaDj]
#5831753 - 07/07/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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GabbaDj said: Not that long ago a school opened up in Los Angeles with a curriculum that focuses not on American history and American curriculum but instead teaches Mexican Curriculum, Mexican History. Since the school is almost 99% hispanic all classes are taught in spanish because "many of the children have a hard time understanding English". The school is founded by two Hispanic activists with shady pasts who have made many Anti-American statements on both radio and TV.
Why is this a problem?
As you pointed out, it's not paid for with taxpayer dollars. Are you suggesting that free speach should be limited and anti-American sentiments not allowed?
If "all-American" public schools are allowed to claim that work done on evolution is "wrong" why can't a private school suggest that the American government makes bad decisions?
More to the point, isn't a parochial school making a statement about how legally-protected rights (like the right to an abortion) are immoral the same thing as making an anti-American statement? After all, the American government guarantees you a right that they believe is immoral. The Catholic Church even went so far as to declare many politicians who supported those views as immoral and deny them Holy Communion.
Why would all of that be okay, but if two hispanic individuals want to pay for their own private school to teach their own opinions, suddenly it's wrong?
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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: Economist]
#5833576 - 07/07/06 10:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Because this is America, the most free country in the world, but still, not that free since we bathe in our own shit.(not literaly )
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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: DinahTheCat]
#5833790 - 07/07/06 11:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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And it wont be "America" for long if we keep letting "freedom" reign.
still as hard as I try to think about it, I cant come up with a real definition of "Americanism".. I guess Im just jaded by watching every ethnic group support only themselves and get away with it soo successfully..
We all know the example. Blacks can have black only groups but whites cant, Koreans can have reality companies which cater to Koreans ONLY but Americans cant, Businesses of any ethnic group, no matter how large they get can exclude everyone else but their own group but lets see White Americans try that... They will go to jail for it. 
I played golf with an American and an Armenian today.. Me and the other white guy work hard jobs (janitor/butcher). The other works in the film industry for a major company which hires about 98% Armenians (about 2500 Armenians). He makes about 85K a year.
Its this protecting your own sort of thinking that us Americans get bashed for yet others get praised for.
Just look at Affirmative Action.
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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: Economist]
#5833804 - 07/07/06 11:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why is this a problem?
As you pointed out, it's not paid for with taxpayer dollars. Are you suggesting that free speach should be limited and anti-American sentiments not allowed?
If "all-American" public schools are allowed to claim that work done on evolution is "wrong" why can't a private school suggest that the American government makes bad decisions?
I said Founded not Funded.. That school does get my tax dollars and thats why its been news around here...
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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: GabbaDj]
#5834490 - 07/08/06 08:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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And who do you think sets the policy for these sorts of things? Who pushes multi-culturalism in the media and schools? I'd bet money none of those poor imigrants did. Its your government, they one you Americans seem to love so much. They are the ones that sold you out, they are the ones that have been destroying your communities. Don't blame the immigrants, they are just trying to live their life like you are. The only way to solve these sorts of problems, its on a political level in your own community.
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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: J4S0N]
#5834571 - 07/08/06 09:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Jason, your right, and in my opinion, it seems the immigrants are more american than us americans are.
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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: downforpot]
#5834702 - 07/08/06 11:05 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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GabbaDj said: America is a word made up and defined by Americans..
Indians were here first but the idea that they are "Americans" just dont hold.
Indians are the only group I feel have the right to build Indian comunities. I havnt been out of the country much but Ive never herd of a "little America" being built any other place in the world.
Here in LA we have a Little Everything. Areas of town where nothing is in english and everyone is foreign.
I know Im being a dick about all this but thats just the way its got to be.. I just dont believe that other cultures should have ever been free to thrive in America..
They want to come her, they need to be more American.
Do you know who AMERIGO Vespucci is?
Ever heard of the native word Amerrique?
I have nothing more to add to this conversation, I'm heading to the pacific islands or southern asia ASAP.
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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: ClammyJoe]
#5834734 - 07/08/06 11:17 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah dude, pacific islands to me would be bliss, actually, maybe somewhere more desolate, with a bookshelf of great books, a sketchbook, a bag of surival equipment, and a hot ass hooker, id be set.
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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: GabbaDj]
#5834949 - 07/08/06 12:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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GabbaDj said: We all know the example. Blacks can have black only groups but whites cant, Koreans can have reality companies which cater to Koreans ONLY but Americans cant, Businesses of any ethnic group, no matter how large they get can exclude everyone else but their own group but lets see White Americans try that... They will go to jail for it. 
Are you serious!?!
Have you ever even TRIED to buy Real Estate from a Korean Reality company? Have you ever actually been asked the leave the premises of a foreign-run business? There is no BUSINESS in AMERICA that will throw out someone willing to spend money.
I have eaten in restaurants and shopped in stores where the clerks barely spoke english and bent over backwards to still try and accomodate me. They brought out product catelogues, pointed to pictures, all attempting to desperately cater to my money. Because that's what businesses do, they cater to MONEY not to ethnicities. I'm more than willing to bet that you have never walked into a place of business with the intent of making a purchase and have been asked to leave for being "white".
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GabbaDj said: I played golf with an American and an Armenian today.. Me and the other white guy work hard jobs (janitor/butcher). The other works in the film industry for a major company which hires about 98% Armenians (about 2500 Armenians). He makes about 85K a year.
Its this protecting your own sort of thinking that us Americans get bashed for yet others get praised for.
Are you kidding me? You really think this sort of thing doesn't happen in reverse?
Let me tell you a story, a true story. I am and undergraduate economics major and have been thinking of pursuing a career in I-Banking. Every year for the past 3 I would go to my University's sponsored career fair, where the major I-Banking firms (Credit Suisse, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs) would come and recruit for either summer internships or permanent positions for graduates.
Every year the firms also invite back everyone who they awarded a job to the previous year so that they could talk about the experience. And every year the audience that goes, listens, and applies for the jobs is about 50% Asian, and 30% female. And every year the people who are invited back because they got the jobs last year are 100% white and male. Now, I have classes with Asian students and female students, and I know for a fact that they are every bit as knowledgable and skilled as their white male counterparts. I also know that the vast majority of them have excellent english skills, with many of them born in America.
And yet year after year, all the jobs go to white men. Why does this happen? Because intentionally or otherwise there are some groups who do "protect the race" in America, even when the race is caucasian.
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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: Economist]
#5834984 - 07/08/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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And every year the audience that goes, listens, and applies for the jobs is about 50% Asian, and 30% female. And every year the people who are invited back because they got the jobs last year are 100% white and male.
That sounds odd. Have you checked the actual employment stats rather than just the stats on who comes back to talk to the crowd each year? I can't see them rejecting 50% of the asian applicants for many of the jobs.
And with outsourcing the way it is with a lot of i-banking you'd think there'd be a pretty healthy indian component in the companies.
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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: J4S0N]
#5835462 - 07/08/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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J4S0N said: And who do you think sets the policy for these sorts of things? Who pushes multi-culturalism in the media and schools? I'd bet money none of those poor imigrants did. Its your government, they one you Americans seem to love so much. They are the ones that sold you out, they are the ones that have been destroying your communities. Don't blame the immigrants, they are just trying to live their life like you are. The only way to solve these sorts of problems, its on a political level in your own community.
Excellent post. The problem indeed is a political one. Which is why I've tried to explain to people that building a wall isn't going to help a damn thing to stop the immigration. The companies who hire illegals have to be punished to put an end to this. And just now finally when people are starting to really bitch about it, they are just going to erase the boarders entirely. Enjoy your middle-class now canada, you are about see a flood of foreign workers just like we have been putting up with for so long.
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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: RosettaStoned]
#5836982 - 07/08/06 09:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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J4S0N said: And who do you think sets the policy for these sorts of things? Who pushes multi-culturalism in the media and schools? I'd bet money none of those poor imigrants did. Its your government, they one you Americans seem to love so much. They are the ones that sold you out, they are the ones that have been destroying your communities. Don't blame the immigrants, they are just trying to live their life like you are. The only way to solve these sorts of problems, its on a political level in your own community.
I never said that I love my government, in fact I only like it about 50% of the time... Which is more than Bushes aproval rateings. 
This brings us to the origional topic of this thread. Which was the North American Union.. The Union of USA, Canada and Mexico.. Which I believe can only happen if and when Amerfica gets diluted with the cultures of countries from around the world to the point where we lose the ideas of patriotism, freedom, liberty and Americanism.
Only then can our government get whatever they want from us.
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Re: North American Union - End of the US as we know it. [Re: Alex213]
#5837479 - 07/08/06 11:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alex213 said: That sounds odd. Have you checked the actual employment stats rather than just the stats on who comes back to talk to the crowd each year? I can't see them rejecting 50% of the asian applicants for many of the jobs.
And with outsourcing the way it is with a lot of i-banking you'd think there'd be a pretty healthy indian component in the companies.
To begin with, you can't outsource I-Banking, it just can't be done. So much of it is straight up selling (either selling to the customer or selling your research to your boss so he can sell it to the customer) with huge amounts of money, so that no one would ever outsource. You simply have to meet several times in person on every single deal because they are all that large/important. You'll do intense analysis for a month and maybe be responsible for closing 1 deal after countless person-to-person meetings, it just can't be moved to India.
Now, on the otherhand, tons of Indian and East Asian nationals get degrees in the US and then move back to their home countries to carry out I-Banking.
As for statistics, I can't find anything expansive, but for a good idea, check out the career vault and search for any popular financial firm (here's a link to Pricewaterhouse http://www.vault.com/companies/company_main.jsp?co_page=13&type=workplace&product_id=332 ) you'll find the same universal complaint of "no diversity". Just search for anything, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, doesn't matter, they all have the "no diversity" complaint. It's also important to note that the vault surveys come from employees, not management, so it's a more realistic view of the company that you'd get from a prospectus.
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