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ID request for mushrooms found in Portugal
    #5815124 - 07/03/06 08:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Hey ppl, just got back from visiting my brother in Porto for a couple days and I happened to stumble upon this nice looking mushroom in a park. Didn't pick it or anything, and I'm sure it's not active but was just wondering if maybe someone could identify it, just out of curiosity. I don't know much about mushrooms but I'm thinking it's probably some sort of Agaricus...











Habitat: Found in a park, next to a small paved walking path. Shaded area under some trees, growing directly from mulchy soil. The soil was covered by a layer of dry leaves.

Gills: I would say they are beige maybe off-white in color. The gills are free. I didnt pick the mushrooms so I wasn't able to inspect it very closely, but judging by the second to last pic, I would say they are not connected to them stem.

Stem: White, no veil remnants on it at all, looked very smooth and even in width throughout the whole length. Dunno if its hollow or not, but it seemed pretty solid and sturdy, so I don't imagine this was the case.

Cap: Sort of gray colored, not the same shade all over. From what I recall it was about 2.5-3" in diameter. Unlike cubensis caps it wasn't like an arch, but in the center it dipped inwards slightly.

Spore print: Once again, didn't pick it so can't say anything about the color of the spores. Since I'm almost positive it wasn't an active mushroom, though, we can rule out a black or dark purple colored spore print I think.

Bruising: Wasnt picked, but had I done so there probably wouldn't have been any.

Location: Porto, Portugal

thx in advance  :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2:


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Re: ID request for mushrooms found in Portugal [Re: iamyour_messiah]
    #5815139 - 07/03/06 08:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Cool shroom from Portugal......its called a Russula

Agaricus usually have brownish gills quite quikly as the grow but so do many deadly mushrooms......is there anyway you can go back to Portugal and make a spore print of this one ???


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Re: ID request for mushrooms found in Portugal [Re: shroominDole]
    #5815145 - 07/03/06 08:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

That's the genus then?


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Re: ID request for mushrooms found in Portugal [Re: iamyour_messiah]
    #5815153 - 07/03/06 09:03 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Thats genus......if you look into Russulla you can see why I wouldnt attempt other than several guesses to exact species from pics.....nice clear pics tho... :thumbup:


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Re: ID request for mushrooms found in Portugal [Re: iamyour_messiah]
    #5815161 - 07/03/06 09:07 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Ya just did so, and I understand why you couldn't get at a particular species. Although this mushrooms I found seems in many ways to match the description of genus Russula mushrooms, it says here (http://www.wildmanstevebrill.com/Mushrooms.Folder/Russula.html) one of the common characterstics of all Russula is that the gills are not free.. attached to the stem. That's (I think) not the case with the one I found here.

edit: and nope, sadly I can't go back to spore print it lol :P I would however know exactely where to find it!!


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Re: ID request for mushrooms found in Portugal [Re: iamyour_messiah]
    #5815178 - 07/03/06 09:18 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

An easy way to tell for certain if it's a Russula (or Lactarius) is to break the stem. Most mushrooms have a fibrous stem, but the stem of these genera is not and will break like a piece of chalk.

As far as seeing if the gills are attached to the stem, that's best determined by cutting the mushroom in half vertically.

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Re: ID request for mushrooms found in Portugal [Re: iamyour_messiah]
    #5815186 - 07/03/06 09:20 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

That is a Russula. As long as the gills are touching the stem even a little bit, they are considered to be attached. In mushrooms with free gills, Agaricus, Amanita, Pluteus... there is a distinct ring of non-gillness around the stem where it attaches to the bottom of the cap.


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Re: ID request for mushrooms found in Portugal [Re: shroomydan]
    #5815264 - 07/03/06 09:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Good job doing some research (alot dont )

Several of the largest and most encountered groups /comlexes/ types  of Russullas that occur around the world can have gill attatchments commonly ranging from attatched to free such as Russulla emetica complex/group.....R. albidula complex.....R. fragrantissima complex.....R. sororia group, R. alutacea complex, R. integra complex, etc....also R. aeruginea....R. virescens.....R. cremoricolor, etc......not everything you see on the internet of course as you know not always true.....especialy with something as variable as shrooms..

Also mushrooms with typically attatched or free gills can be variable to the opposite....I commonly encounter this with Pluteus for example......and many mushrooms typically attatched commonly become free from becoming seperated (seceding) appearing free from handling / picking and in age especially ones like yours which have a cap which becomes uplifted....

Now.....what about that spore sprint :wink:



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' Comments On Hallucinogenic Agarics And The Hallucinations Of Those Who Study Them '
Alexander H. Smith
Mycologia vol.69 1977


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Re: ID request for mushrooms found in Portugal [Re: shroominDole]
    #5815358 - 07/03/06 10:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well thanks for the info on how the characteristics can often vary. I guess nature isn't perfect, huh? And also, good god, how do you know off the top of your head so many different varieties/complexes of Russela mushrooms which can have slightly detached gills and whatnot. I understand many of you people probably specialize in this sorta stuff, but personally I'd never even heard of Rusella being mentioned on this forum. Didn't think it was quite a common genus at all for people to know so much abt. Respect for that tho!!

As far as the print is concerned, I'd be more than happy to give you specific directions to the location, and maybe you can buy yourself a ticket over there, lol :P

have a nice day


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Re: ID request for mushrooms found in Portugal [Re: iamyour_messiah]
    #5815477 - 07/03/06 10:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

If you want to make a try at identification to species you'll need to find out a bunch more things.

Here's a link to a page that will allow you to check your specimen against the key produced by Kibby and Fatto. Unfortunately for you their key covers only the North American species, but it should still give you a pretty good idea of what you have.


Some things you need to figure out to use that link:

Cap color (easy!)
Cap cuticle separability (try peeling the skin off the cap - does only a little peel, does most of it peel easily, does all of it come off easily?)
Is the stem white or colored (easy!)
How big across are the caps (easy!)
What color is the spore print (make one on white paper to determine this)
Taste (put a small piece in your mouth, chew for a short time, and spit it out)
Discoloration of flesh (does it bruise)

Those are the ones you'll be able to do without a microscope. If you want to get it all the way right you need a microscope, too.

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Re: ID request for mushrooms found in Portugal [Re: ToxicMan]
    #5815555 - 07/03/06 11:19 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

cool thanks for the info ToxicMan, but sadly this mushrooms was never picked. Just photographed, it's still standing there aaaaaaall the way in Portugal :frown:


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