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Fear of Death
#5814246 - 07/03/06 12:07 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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It is often touted that many people believe in matters of spirit as somekind of defense mechanism against a supposed irrational "fear of death". One will say that any belief (or even a proclaimation of inner knowing) of God is merely one's way of dealing with "death".
But how is this not true or any different for the "rationalist" mindset? It's quite possible that uncurious attempts to reduce reality to mere formula and somatic function are in their own course dealing with the prospect of death. Afterall, some may even face the obvious possibility that the kernel of truth in existing in the first place (and maybe this is realized AT death? Who knows..) is not what it was thought of (over and over, methodically) to be. Perhaps it's not death they're afraid of, but Unmitigated Light. And the process of reducing phenomena to a test tube is perhaps the truest fear of that mystery.
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Re: Fear of Death [Re: Basilides]
#5814709 - 07/03/06 03:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice post!
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Re: Fear of Death [Re: Basilides]
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Basilides said: It is often touted that many people believe in matters of spirit as somekind of defense mechanism against a supposed irrational "fear of death". One will say that any belief (or even a proclaimation of inner knowing) of God is merely one's way of dealing with "death".
But how is this not true or any different for the "rationalist" mindset? It's quite possible that uncurious attempts to reduce reality to mere formula and somatic function are in their own course dealing with the prospect of death. Afterall, some may even face the obvious possibility that the kernel of truth in existing in the first place (and maybe this is realized AT death? Who knows..) is not what it was thought of (over and over, methodically) to be. Perhaps it's not death they're afraid of, but Unmitigated Light. And the process of reducing phenomena to a test tube is perhaps the truest fear of that mystery.
The fear of death is an intemplated program, a daemon running as a backup system suggesting that life is indeed life.
If life could not be terminated, it would not be. This is the duality of the primal base of existence, the yin and the yang. This is of course, just a intricate system of lies, intemplated in the programs surrounding your kernel/source/soul/you/nothing/void.
Fear of death is this programs intemplated survivalsystem - i.e the function that tells the user of the system that if the TERM signal is sent - death will be immanent, and there will be no more.
Which of course is an obvious lie, because behind the system of life and death, "nothing" and "more" and "death" are concepts of no meaning.
You can only think that you can die when you live, because when you're dead you're allready dead....or something. 
Edit: God damnit, I didn't even graze the topic at hand. Anyway, the post you made was great and hit the spot right on the hammer - however I must add that this is infact not possible to avoid, and it works the other way around as well. For instance you are as we speak trying to surge phenomena to be as large as life. Pun intended
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Re: Fear of Death [Re: slaphappy]
#5815799 - 07/03/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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"You can only think that you can die when you live, because when you're dead you're allready dead....or something. " Perhaps you can only think that you can live when you are dead ?
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Re: Fear of Death [Re: Basilides]
#5815896 - 07/03/06 12:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You can interpret your reality as you wish. Those that say that religion (or spirituality in general) is merely a fear of death are just arrogant idiots. The science has NOTHING to offer when it comes to death and still it try to undermine anything that can help you.
For me spirituality isn't about believing in supreme beings (still, my experience shows that they probably exist) it's about making good living that prepare you to leave literally EVERYTHING behind.
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Re: Fear of Death [Re: Basilides]
#5816272 - 07/03/06 02:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Could thinking, as many atheists do, "my existence is relatively unimportant and meaningless, and one day I will cease to exist entirely" be used as defense mechanism?
How does investigating the world using our senses, refusing to overgeneralize, refusing to jump to hasty conclusions (non-sequiturs), thinking in probabilities (induction) rather than absolutes (deduction), constitute any kind of fear? Why should one need anything more than reality to be satisfied?
What seems much more fearful are those who willingly take enormous leaps of faith; blindly accepting ideas as actuality, ideas which cannot even be investigated by humanity. According to Erich Fromm, certain individuals need to attach themselves to something that appears to be powerful and eternal in order to compensate for their own feeling of uncertainty and impermanence. Religions, nationalism, political ideologies, racist ideologies, seem to all be good examples.
Fear has nothing to do with the unwillingness to seriously investigate the supernatural. "The Mystery" seems to be based wholly on subjective experience, meaning, in this sophist paradise, one statement about "the Mystery" cannot have any more validity than another. "Man's subjective religious experience is the measure of all things" in this arena. The Scientific Method requires repeatable observations, but "The Mystery" can only provide us with noisey deductive arguments.
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MushmanTheManic said: Could thinking, as many atheists do, "my existence is relatively unimportant and meaningless, and one day I will cease to exist entirely" be used as defense mechanism?
How does investigating the world using our senses, refusing to overgeneralize, refusing to jump to hasty conclusions (non-sequiturs), thinking in probabilities (induction) rather than absolutes (deduction), constitute any kind of fear? Why should one need anything more than reality to be satisfied?
What seems much more fearful are those who willingly take enormous leaps of faith; blindly accepting ideas as actuality, ideas which cannot even be investigated by humanity. According to Erich Fromm, certain individuals need to attach themselves to something that appears to be powerful and eternal in order to compensate for their own feeling of uncertainty and impermanence. Religions, nationalism, political ideologies, racist ideologies, seem to all be good examples.
Fear has nothing to do with the unwillingness to seriously investigate the supernatural. "The Mystery" seems to be based wholly on subjective experience, meaning, in this sophist paradise, one statement about "the Mystery" cannot have any more validity than another. "Man's subjective religious experience is the measure of all things" in this arena. The Scientific Method requires repeatable observations, but "The Mystery" can only provide us with noisey deductive arguments.
You seem scared.
Anyway. How could fear not have anything to do with anything?
I can't wrap the idea around my head, really. How can fear not be (one of) the driving force(s) of the quest for the mystery?
Wouldn't it seem fake if it didn't?
Do atheists see the world as a fake, cold-hearted and fearless place of meaninglessness?
I doubt it.
I see myself as an agnostic at best - however I tend to lean more towards atheism in the sense that I do not think there is a divine force more than it is divine cranberry-juice.
This is not saying that there is no force, or there is no God - I'm merely trying to say that God isn't, and can't be, more than what I make of it.
I mean, if we stumble upon hard evidence of the existence of God, as some entity with relatively similar attributes as ourselves - he's still just another entity in a vast system of entities "copied" off of him.
Isn't that scary?
Perhaps not, but if I found God, and God was me, I'd shit myself.
If the allmighty G.O.D, the Dog himself, the creator, the arbiter of the omniety, the great sorcerer and mighty rearranger - was as big a dumbfuck as myself ... or even the exact same dumbfuck as myself ...
I'd curse the gruesome fate forever and ever.
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MushmanTheManic said: Could thinking, as many atheists do, "my existence is relatively unimportant and meaningless, and one day I will cease to exist entirely" be used as defense mechanism?
How does investigating the world using our senses, refusing to overgeneralize, refusing to jump to hasty conclusions (non-sequiturs), thinking in probabilities (induction) rather than absolutes (deduction), constitute any kind of fear? Why should one need anything more than reality to be satisfied?
What seems much more fearful are those who willingly take enormous leaps of faith; blindly accepting ideas as actuality, ideas which cannot even be investigated by humanity. According to Erich Fromm, certain individuals need to attach themselves to something that appears to be powerful and eternal in order to compensate for their own feeling of uncertainty and impermanence. Religions, nationalism, political ideologies, racist ideologies, seem to all be good examples.
Fear has nothing to do with the unwillingness to seriously investigate the supernatural. "The Mystery" seems to be based wholly on subjective experience, meaning, in this sophist paradise, one statement about "the Mystery" cannot have any more validity than another. "Man's subjective religious experience is the measure of all things" in this arena. The Scientific Method requires repeatable observations, but "The Mystery" can only provide us with noisey deductive arguments.
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Thanks for the response.
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Could thinking, as many atheists do, "my existence is relatively unimportant and meaningless, and one day I will cease to exist entirely" be used as defense mechanism?
Absolutely. I have seen such examples myself of people who turn the notion of sleep and non-conciousness (as preceding primacy) into cognitive mutations in how they behave with other people.
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How does investigating the world using our senses, refusing to overgeneralize, refusing to jump to hasty conclusions (non-sequiturs), thinking in probabilities (induction) rather than absolutes (deduction), constitute any kind of fear? Why should one need anything more than reality to be satisfied?
When sense-data is the only intuitive function of a person instead of a consociate abut with reality, the sense data function merely re-coates the original identity scheme with another one. The recoated identity that a somatic mindset may identify with obliterates at death, so I would imagine it is originally associated with ideas regarding one's death.
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What seems much more fearful are those who willingly take enormous leaps of faith; blindly accepting ideas as actuality, ideas which cannot even be investigated by humanity. According to Erich Fromm, certain individuals need to attach themselves to something that appears to be powerful and eternal in order to compensate for their own feeling of uncertainty and impermanence. Religions, nationalism, political ideologies, racist ideologies, seem to all be good examples.
You speak against absolutes and then you call upon old General Example?
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Fear has nothing to do with the unwillingness to seriously investigate the supernatural. "The Mystery" seems to be based wholly on subjective experience, meaning, in this sophist paradise, one statement about "the Mystery" cannot have any more validity than another. "Man's subjective religious experience is the measure of all things" in this arena. The Scientific Method requires repeatable observations, but "The Mystery" can only provide us with noisey deductive arguments.
And how would this not be compensation for a lack of spiritual experience, hm?
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Re: Fear of Death [Re: Basilides]
#5819572 - 07/04/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Every moment could be the last. Drop the fear and experience the urgency.
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Re: Fear of Death [Re: slaphappy]
#5820103 - 07/04/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You seem scared.
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Re: Fear of Death [Re: Basilides]
#5820132 - 07/04/06 02:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have seen such examples myself of people who turn the notion of sleep and non-conciousness (as preceding primacy) into cognitive mutations in how they behave with other people.
...? Could you elaborate? ("One should never act or speak as if they were asleep." -- Heraclitus)
And how would this not be compensation for a lack of spiritual experience, hm?
How would it be?
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...? Could you elaborate? ("One should never act or speak as if they were asleep." -- Heraclitus)
At one point I had briefly known several drug addicts whose habits were reinforced by various cognitive distortions, including the belief that since existence was meaningless, a gradual descent into psychological and physical degradation was viewed as perfectly acceptable.
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How would it be?
Well, you've got a group of people who are unable to understand or experience matters of spirit while another group is fulfilled by such experiences. When the former realizes he is unable to identify with such people or their experiences, and perhaps even intellectually aches to understand them with no avail, he goes on to dismiss them as subjective dulusions. In a sense, those who claim to have mystical experiences tend to threaten his world view.
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Re: Fear of Death [Re: Basilides]
#5820958 - 07/04/06 06:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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In a sense, those who claim to have mystical experiences tend to threaten his world view.""""""""""
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How do you know that this reality isn't like a dream? Just another state of mind from which we will eventually "wake up"? You must be aware that your opinions are anthropocentric. I'm saying "don't take it so seriously" rather then "so you may just lay down and do nothing". Each world has it's own, unique rules.
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Re: Fear of Death [Re: Basilides]
#5825752 - 07/05/06 10:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You speak against absolutes and then you call upon old General Example?
That wasn't ment as a generalization to be applied to everyone who believed in spiritualism, supernaturalism, etc. Rather, I was trying to say certian (read: some) people attach themselves to ideologies, or any other thing that gives them precious certianty, for this reason. This could be equality true of a Marxist who rigidly believes property is the root of all evil, a Christian who rigidly believes he is going to Heaven and everyone else is going to hell, etc.
Well, you've got a group of people who are unable to understand or experience matters of spirit while another group is fulfilled by such experiences. When the former realizes he is unable to identify with such people or their experiences, and perhaps even intellectually aches to understand them with no avail, he goes on to dismiss them as subjective dulusions. In a sense, those who claim to have mystical experiences tend to threaten his world view.
What about those who've gone through "mystical experiences", yet later doubt them or reject them entirely? ("They didn't really have a mystical experience" is not an acceptable answer.) While some timid-minded skeptics may simply lambast mysticism to bolster their own opinions (there aren't any people like that on here, are there?), I don't think you can assume everyone who disbelieves in religion or mysticism is doing it for this reason.
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Re: Fear of Death [Re: Kras]
#5825774 - 07/05/06 11:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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How do you know that this reality isn't like a dream?
As I've said before, "Well... you always have to wonder if this is completely a construction of your mind, and nothing more. But, since I can never know, I wander through life behaving like it is not."
It is impossible to validate whether reality is or isn't entirely a dream. But, I assume it is not a dream.
The other option, assuming it was a dream, doesn't seem to aid my behavior or thoughts in any constructive way. I'm simply left with a dead end idea. "All this is a dream... eh, now what?"
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That wasn't ment as a generalization to be applied to everyone who believed in spiritualism, supernaturalism, etc. Rather, I was trying to say certian (read: some) people attach themselves to ideologies, or any other thing that gives them precious certianty, for this reason. This could be equality true of a Marxist who rigidly believes property is the root of all evil, a Christian who rigidly believes he is going to Heaven and everyone else is going to hell, etc.
Do you believe you have any attachments yourself? Can rigid faith in sensory data also be considered as such? Afterall, I don't see how it's any more or less an absolutism.
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What about those who've gone through "mystical experiences", yet later doubt them or reject them entirely? ("They didn't really have a mystical experience" is not an acceptable answer.) While some timid-minded skeptics may simply lambast mysticism to bolster their own opinions (there aren't any people like that on here, are there?), I don't think you can assume everyone who disbelieves in religion or mysticism is doing it for this reason.
I've personally never met or conversed with someone who claimed to have a mystical experience and then later doubt its validity/reality. Is this an admission on your part, did you once have what you would describe as a "mystical experience"?
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Re: Fear of Death [Re: Basilides]
#5826473 - 07/06/06 03:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Many people are afriad of death. I used to never think about death, when I was younger, it didnt scare me, or intrest me. I just never thought about it.
As of late, I have thought about alot. What happena after, if anything??, and what are those last moments like? How long will I live??? what if I cant get everything I want to do done??? (this is by far the question I would like to kill the most, I dont need an answer per say, but I just wish this question would die, because, there is no answer, I may, I may not, and I shouldnt think so far ahead that my life is a tredmill)
My GF wont even let me say "we are all going to die one day" statements like that scare her a little I think, and I think it scares most people.
I have accepted that I will die, now I just have to figure out life.
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MushmanTheManic said:The other option, assuming it was a dream, doesn't seem to aid my behavior or thoughts in any constructive way. I'm simply left with a dead end idea. "All this is a dream... eh, now what?"
It's like "how you can prove that there is a God and how it would change your behavior or thoughts?" You get it or not. From my own experience I can say that it changes a lot and its consequences are astonishing. Don't forget that it's up to you what you believe in and faith is a powerful tool on this plane of existence.
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Re: Fear of Death [Re: Kras]
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Faith is hope, not action.
We effect reality, but we dont control it.
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Mindlords with their spirit slaves:" They have seen the wings in your eyes, and because they have not wings the mindlords enslave your spirit. But the power of spirit is mightier than the power of the mind and the mindlords are laid to waste as the spirit rears in penultimate, predestined, presuppressed majesty. To see you aglow in the snow, oh loving eskimo. Deep in a forest were trees cast deep dark shadow too cold even for the most hardened eskimo there you were left in that grove led by dark powers empowering itself by robbing you, but in turn robbing itself, and enlightening Us. For the sun crept indellibly across the sky, but cloaked in their darkness with downturned boles basking in their own shade, when the sun came they vanished as if never exiusted. When you were born from your mothers womb you passed from Heaven into Heaven with flying colours, and your birth was the first day of spring. and your death shall be your first day of eternal summer, the sun shall be at noon, and no shadow shall be cast. The deep blue from on high, royal and rolling, waiting for the fish, to swim again."
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Re: Fear of Death [Re: Basilides]
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Faith (relevant definition) Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
One does not need to have "rigid faith" in sensory data, as it is usually backed up with material evidence and can be verified by others who sense the same material evidence.
By contrast, faith in the existence of God is non-logical (as opposed to illogical), and without material proof. Rigid faith in God consists of insisting that HE exists, and that all others who dispute your subjective and unverifiable beliefs are doomed (or in denial, or afraid, or jealous of your mystical experiences). 
I am not saying that all possible aspects of reality can be explored through logic and our basic senses, but it is a huge jump from saying "we don't know (and perhaps cannot know) the complex nature of reality" to saying "God exists, I know it, non-believers in God are doomed and in denial."
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Re: Fear of Death [Re: Veritas]
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One does not need to have "rigid faith" in sensory data, as it is usually backed up with material evidence and can be verified by others who sense the same material evidence.
But isn't falling back on sensory data as a means to an end a tad rigid? As in having one's intuition entirely defined by sensory data. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying sensory data is bad. Physics are indeed a phenomena that should be investigated and understood. But it seems to me that to completely lock one's self through sensory tunnel vision, they are becoming just as inanimate as the supposed world they are trying to understand.
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By contrast, faith in the existence of God is non-logical (as opposed to illogical), and without material proof. Rigid faith in God consists of insisting that HE exists, and that all others who dispute your subjective and unverifiable beliefs are doomed (or in denial, or afraid, or jealous of your mystical experiences).
I am not saying that all possible aspects of reality can be explored through logic and our basic senses, but it is a huge jump from saying "we don't know (and perhaps cannot know) the complex nature of reality" to saying "God exists, I know it, non-believers in God are doomed and in denial."
Doomed? I have not once mentioned such things, whether "doom", "damnation" etc. These are exoteric references that I reject personally. I not claiming any kind of superiority over what you (subjectively) define as "non-believers" (what's a non-believer?). I am merely challenging a philosophical stance. 
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Re: Fear of Death [Re: Basilides]
#5828141 - 07/06/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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At one point I had briefly known several drug addicts whose habits were reinforced by various cognitive distortions, including the belief that since existence was meaningless, a gradual descent into psychological and physical degradation was viewed as perfectly acceptable.
Switching from a supernatural, religious, mystical, etc schema to a nihilistic one can be extremely stressful. Personally, during my transition I abused tranquilizers and various other depressants heavily. It seems to take some time for your values and emotions to adjust with this metaphysical flip. The otherworldly values and outlook inherent in religion and spirituality can be a terrible emotive disadvantage. During the transition, these values and maybe even the entire purpose for living, suddenly vanish and you're left struggling to replace/modify them. From the experiences others have shared on this forum and by my own personal experience, this uneducated plunge into nihilism seems awfully depressing.
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Re: Fear of Death [Re: Basilides]
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Do you believe you have any attachments yourself?
I am firmly attached to myself. 
Can rigid faith in sensory data also be considered as such? Afterall, I don't see how it's any more or less an absolutism.
Rigid faith in sensory data probably won't give you the feeling of solidarity and importance racial, political, religious ideologies provide. It does not seem very conductive to mob mentality.
Also, while "I am experience reality through my senses" may be an unverifiable assumption, the converse of this is a dead-option, as it leads to Solipsism. After this assumption is made, you can travel across solid ground the rest of the way and since sensory data relies on induction rather than deduction, it only seems possible for the logically naive to have any absolute faith in it. (Induction is always a probability; never an absolute.)
I think science is best understood as a powerful tool for making predictions.
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Rigid faith in sensory data probably won't give you the feeling of solidarity and importance racial, political, religious ideologies provide. It does not seem very conductive to mob mentality.
Ah, right, gestalt theory. Sensory data for unusual reasons also tends to conjugate gatherings and communities, especially with the advent of large sites like Infidels.org/The Secular Web. Lets not forget the masses of mindless adolescents who today persue the teachings of Nietzche like he was the second coming.
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Also, while "I am experience reality through my senses" may be an unverifiable assumption, the converse of this is a dead-option, as it leads to Solipsism. After this assumption is made, you can travel across solid ground the rest of the way and since sensory data relies on induction rather than deduction, it only seems possible for the logically naive to have any absolute faith in it. (Induction is always a probability; never an absolute.)
I think science is best understood as a powerful tool for making predictions.
A great example of unbarnacled sensory data is that of an infant, who through the sensation of pain realizes that he is not the environment he perceives. How and where so many later on dismiss meta-sensory underlayings of sensory phenomena (the so-called primacy of one's senses) is another mystery to me.
Excellent discussion btw, Mushman
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Re: Fear of Death [Re: Basilides]
#5829733 - 07/06/06 10:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hmm... I guess I didn't think that through completely... Atheism too can be an terribly dogmatic [anti-]religious ideology. I'm personally not aware of any atheist organizations or groups, but I think it is more than possible that individuals could find the same sense of belonging, importance, consent, etc in such a group.
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This is the dream. This is the dream in which we have access to all dreams in which we have access to all.
It is not possible to refute this statement. The statement has no boundries and it works in realms of no possible proof.
You cannot know that you dream, if you dream that you don't know.
"Life is only a dream, there is no such thing as death and here's Tom with the weather."
And I'm going "hey, what about everyone else - are they dreaming too? Or am I dreaming them up? Am I alone?!"
And I'm answering myself "Everyone else is you. They are parts of the same dream as you are - they are you - but that doesn't make them fake. They are dreaming too - you aren't making them up - this is dreamscape.
You are dreaming them. You are them dreaming. You are always them, as you are always yourself - you have always seen the world through their eyes as you have seen it through your own. They are not a part of you, and certainly not apart from you. They are fragments, and so are you. We have individual lives, but we're the same living thing. The same life. The same consciousness.
Our minds are filters for the conscious being. Filtrated through 6 billion people and an almost eternally vast variety of animals and other animate objects of being - and thats just here on earth - God is still unable to flee himself.
I have always been me. This is all that ever was. I am the mighty rearranger and I try to rearrange it so that I don't realize who I am, but I always leave clues to myself so I can find my way. So I wont forget.
The trick is to be as far into a game as possible, as far as you can go without completely letting go - but far enough to forget for a while what and who and where you are.
When death arrives to a biocomputer, one filter will be gone. Many many many new will come, has come. The biocomputer has no self, there is no such thing as death to these dreamfilters (us).
The self is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.
There is no self without the biocomputer, there is no biocomputer without the self.
The biocomputer does not exist. This is what you'll know.
If the biocomputer does not exist, does the self exist? Is the self anything?
The spirit is moving, and its moving fast. The nullification of the notion of death will make life eternal, and the idea of Jesus as saviour within reach.
I have never died, and I doubt I ever will. However, I keep waking up all the time.
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Re: Fear of Death [Re: slaphappy]
#5860837 - 07/15/06 06:09 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mindlords with their spirit slaves:" They have seen the wings in your eyes, and because they have not wings the mindlords enslave your spirit. But the power of spirit is mightier than the power of the mind and the mindlords are laid to waste as the spirit rears in penultimate, predestined, presuppressed majesty. To see you aglow in the snow, oh loving eskimo. Deep in a forest were trees cast deep dark shadow too cold even for the most hardened eskimo there you were left in that grove led by dark powers empowering itself by robbing you, but in turn robbing itself, and enlightening Us. For the sun crept indellibly across the sky, but cloaked in their darkness with downturned boles basking in their own shade, when the sun came they vanished as if never exiusted. When you were born from your mothers womb you passed from Heaven into Heaven with flying colours, and your birth was the first day of spring. and your death shall be your first day of eternal summer, the sun shall be at noon, and no shadow shall be cast. The deep blue from on high, royal and rolling, waiting for the fish, to swim again."
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Re: Fear of Death [Re: Basilides]
#5860891 - 07/15/06 06:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Rhetoric nonsense and speculation. Unmitigated light? Jesus.
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Re: Fear of Death [Re: Basilides]
#5861256 - 07/15/06 09:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fear of death is the only rational fear...it is all other fears that are irrational. The only thing to fear is death. Any decision made out of fear that does not directly concern protecting ones life and limbs in a real way is a bad decision. If a grizzly bear chases after you, then run. You should feel fear. It is our biological imperative to stay alive. Any suggestion that fear of death is irrational is an expression of that fear through denial. Any sane human has a natural fear of death. This knowledge and fear of death is what keeps everything in perspective. Death is our constant companion and it will cut away all pettiness and irrational fear from our lives if we accept it as such. It is our only reliable constant and you should fear it. The knowledge that something will not cause your death should cut away all other fears, while the fear of death keeps us alive. So many people want to behave as though they are immortal, yet these immortals are scared of their own shadow. There is only ONE fear...and that is of death.
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Shampioenier
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whaddya mean, noob? Tisnt speculation twas but a sensation as I felt. I cannot speculate on my feelings, I can only feel them. u know.
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Shampioenier
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I DONT FEAR DEATH. I JUST DONT FUCKING LIKE IT.
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God is the Eternal Solstice. Eternal Almighty. Illimitible incomparable incurcumnavigable. If you circumnavigate it then u should know its not God. Blast low like grass from a landing UFO, bent in submission indeed, the mortals are. For God is very fucking powerful.
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skulls rolling in ignominy
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Shampioenier
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heads falling in mmm. self deluded misery. What happens happens. The idea really, is to ride the wave, larger than the sea. Ride the wave. Its not very easy. Surfers do not easy got the hang of the spiritual surfing... it indeed difficult without wrong tools. So maybe they made this arc of the covenant thing. from tha holiest i n i.
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Shampioenier
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your bones shant leer my flesh from my bones, pink and flustered though I may be, but by GOD I WILL NEVER ACCEPT DEATH!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Perhaps it is this lurid acceptance that kills.
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Shampioenier
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m In the dark, in the dark, in the dark, I am still there, in the dark, the little proteus swimming alone in his cave with his little feet, just a little proteus is all it takes. In the dark. So you know its dark and how is that then? Once there was light but now you know the darkness. But there must be light otherwise there would be no darkness.
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Shampioenier
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so in fact, if there isnt light, well then you wouldnt know when its dark would you, and then, it wouldnt be the darkness if there wasnt light. So either way, s jus.... mmmm
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Shampioenier
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ah yes. You shan't surf if you don't catch the wave's crest, sure as HELL NOT. nay. you will subside.
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