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Idea for a new Tek, tell me what you think
    #5813857 - 07/03/06 12:09 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I was thinking about ways to more easily reproduce mushrooms by using mycelium instead of spores, and I thought, why can't you take a finished cake, that was completely spent, take a piece off and put it in a jar, then pour sterilized substrate from another jar into the jar with the mycelium, with as little contact with air as possible. Then you could put on your layer of dry vermiculite, screw on the cap, and put it in your container. You could repeat the process after having ordered just one spore syringe and having one successful cake out of that, without ever having to use syringes again.

All you would have to do is buy a brown rice flower and vermiculite and you'd have cakes reproducing making you shrooms on a constant basis, forever!

Why has such a simple method not been thought of before?


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Re: Idea for a new Tek, tell me what you think [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5813873 - 07/03/06 12:14 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

the piece of cake is dirty.
whatever small amount of contams are on the cake,
or in the air,
or touching anything,
will colonize your newly sterilized substrate.
much faster than any old spent mycelium will.

the verm layer will be useless.
the contam will come from your non-sterile procedure.

you cannot sterilize a cake.

just stick with what works.

for what you are looking for, I recommend grain to grain transfers.
have one jar be a donor for about ten more.
I usually do one for five or six.
that way you are using healthy mycelium.
being far more sterile too.
much better chance of success.

that way you can use only one syringe as wanted.
and have mycelium for a very long time.
once you have fruits, make some clones.


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Re: Idea for a new Tek, tell me what you think [Re: monstermitch]
    #5813948 - 07/03/06 12:30 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

good question, keep thinking like that and eventually you will come up with something!!

spawn bags might be another option too. I just tried one last week and it is already 70% colonized. Just remember to stay sterile.. That was my fear, but it hasn't contamed yet.

wish me luck! :blush:)


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Re: Idea for a new Tek, tell me what you think [Re: malarki]
    #5815046 - 07/03/06 09:41 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

> Why has such a simple method not been thought of before?

It has, and it's been done plenty of times by many people. It's just not that good of a method unless you can mix the myc throughout your fresh substrate. Spores and LC work much better for getting into the substrate.

You can try this easy method...
Put a fully colonized 1/2 pint cake into a quart jar of distilled or mineral water. Screw the lid down tight. Shake the hell out of it until everything breaks up well, then use it as a LC for inoculating substrate.

I always wanted to try blenderizing a cake and then putting it in a backpack sprayer to inoculate massive amounts of substrate outdoors. Maybe someday.


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Re: Idea for a new Tek, tell me what you think [Re: fastfred]
    #5815172 - 07/03/06 11:15 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

The problem with using a spent cake for spawn is that it's . . .spent.

Once the mycelium fruits a few times, the natural process is to die, just like a salmon after it swims up the river and reproduces. You want fresh spawn. What you describe is a grain to grain transfer, but those should be done with young, rapidly growing spawn.
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