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Offlineegodeathparade
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new to grain question about jars
    #5812951 - 07/02/06 04:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

if i am going to use birdseed or whole grain tek, is it still necessary to use wide-mouthed jars? will the substrate still be fairly loose after colonization? loose enough to get out of regular jars, that is?

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Re: new to grain question about jars [Re: egodeathparade]
    #5813055 - 07/02/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

always use wide mouth.

they are the same price, so why argue and make life hard.

the wbs will get quite solid and hard to break up.
for grain to grain though, you will be breaking up the wbs totally.

you'll want to get the donor wbs jar to be broken up into individual grains.
bang the jar against an inflated tire to do this.

open each recipient jar and dump in some colonized wbs.
never use a spoon doing g2g.

I guess you could go with regular mouth, but don't.
again, same price and more headaches.


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Re: new to grain question about jars [Re: monstermitch]
    #5813100 - 07/02/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I always use a spoon :grin:

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Re: new to grain question about jars [Re: HippieChick]
    #5813109 - 07/02/06 05:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I use a spoon too, just clean it with alcohol and your ready.


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Re: new to grain question about jars [Re: egodeathparade]
    #5813128 - 07/02/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Regular mouth jars work fine for WBS or any grains.

If you have them, use them.

You have to spoon it out, one way or another.

Same as with a wide mouth.


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Re: new to grain question about jars [Re: monstermitch]
    #5813142 - 07/02/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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monstermitch said:
open each recipient jar and dump in some colonized wbs.
never use a spoon doing g2g.




I always used a spoon.

But stopped doing G2G once I mastered LC's.


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Re: new to grain question about jars [Re: Tippinthru]
    #5813182 - 07/02/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I love LC.
bacteria is sneaky in them though.
I find LC's to go sour very, very easily.

fine, use your spoons.
I find them to be a less sterile option than pouring directly.


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Re: new to grain question about jars [Re: Tippinthru]
    #5813193 - 07/02/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

egodeathparade writes:
"if i am going to use birdseed or whole grain tek, is it still necessary to use wide-mouthed jars? will the substrate still be fairly loose after colonization? loose enough to get out of regular jars, that is?"

I have wide-mouth jars and I still spoon 'em out so I don't suppose it matters.

If you have a choice, get wide-mouth. If you don't, either will do. You just won't be able to do any kind of tech that requires removing the material in one chunk.

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Re: new to grain question about jars [Re: splifner180]
    #5813270 - 07/02/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I strongly disagree. First, you don't need to use a spoon. That only adds an additional vector for contamination to enter. By banging the fully colonized jar several times agaist a bicycle or car tire, or large phonebook, you can easily break it up so that every single kernel is separated from every other kernel. You then simply pour and twist from the donor into the receiving jar.

Second, use narrow mouth jars for grains. Anytime a jar is open, it is a vector for contamination to enter, whether or not one has a glovebox or flowhood, sprays with oust, etc. A narrow mouth jar has a substantially smaller opening, thus less exposure to contaminants when open. Narrow mouth jars are also easier to pour accurately from.

Third, I'm no fan of LC unless one has ran the cultures through agar first to clean them up. If you're going to do that, simply eberbach the petri dish into a liter of LC and let it stir for 7 days. You'll get a thousand fold increase in mycelium and it won't have time to knit back together so it's super easy to fill syringes. If you don't have that equipment, I still feel grain to grain transfers using small mouth jars are the way to go.
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Re: new to grain question about jars [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5813477 - 07/02/06 08:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

what is "eberbach" ing?


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Re: new to grain question about jars [Re: davesj1]
    #5813510 - 07/02/06 08:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

an eberbach is a blender made from stainless, everything is autoclavable


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Re: new to grain question about jars [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5813706 - 07/02/06 09:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I dont see why a decent blender with a glass top part (the cup like part, i have no idea what it is called.) Ud just need a PC or autoclave that can fit it inside.


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Re: new to grain question about jars [Re: davesj1]
    #5814024 - 07/02/06 10:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

someone posted a picture showing the bottom piece of the blender (not the base, but the plastic/blade assembly) screwed on a mason jar. just fill and autoclave the whole thing. i cool idea at any rate.


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Re: new to grain question about jars [Re: monstermitch]
    #5814349 - 07/03/06 12:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

never use a spoon doing g2g.




Why not? It makes the process much easier.


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Re: new to grain question about jars [Re: dog]
    #5816706 - 07/03/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

cool, thanks for the info. i just happened to have a bunch of non wide-mouthed quart jars sitting around i could theoretically use, not like a case of either is very expensive...but more jars = more fun. got my pressure cooker today...had been steam-sterilizing pf half pints and pints with about a 10-15% contam rate off and on since i started the hobby a few years back. i'll probably try a regular jar or two with grains just to see, and pick up some bigger wide-mouthed jars for the step up from pf cakes. i pretty much plan to case everything (50/50+ and straw/dung to start) from here on out when not experimenting with different pf-style recipes. figure it might be good to use narrow mouths for the donor jars to dump into the wide-mouthed...thanks for the tip rogerrabbit, breaking it up in the jar definitely sounds preferable to spooning.

~j.


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