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klonopin ruined last 4 journeys :(
    #5812673 - 07/02/06 02:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

ever since Swim has been prescribed 1mg klonopin 3 times daily,he has been able to go anywhere with his mushrooms.His usual dose is 1.75,he even tried 2g but just got the buzzed mushy feel.
How long does one have to wait after a 1mg klonopin before its completely out of his system? Thnaks.
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Re: klonopin ruined last 4 journeys :( [Re: kija]
    #5812920 - 07/02/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Klonopin's got a LONG half life:
http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/clonaz_cp.htm

"The elimination half-life of clonazepam is typically 30 to 40 hours."

Probably need to wait atleast 3 or 4 half-lifes before it's effects are minimal (i.e. probably between 105 to 140 hours, or about 4 to 6 days). After 3 half-lives, it'll be down to 1/8th of baseline levels. If you've been on it a while, you'll probably have some mild withdrawal (anxiety, nervousness, etc).


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Re: klonopin ruined last 4 journeys :( [Re: razorbladeshoes]
    #5812964 - 07/02/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

ya give it a few days and then take a kpin on the tail end of the trip(I like em for that anyways especially acid where things can get a lil rough on the body) relief of anxiety = relief of physical pain in more cases then not


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Re: klonopin ruined last 4 journeys :( [Re: razorbladeshoes]
    #5812973 - 07/02/06 05:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

oh and about withdrawl...it really depends on how long u've been taking it...its takes a long time to get addicted to clonazepam(klonopin) I know this for a fact...because of its long half life(I think so anyways)...but if u do get addicted according to a few shrinks I've talked too and someone detoxing from it at a big detox center in toronto...its notorious for being one of if not the worst withdrawl...apparently its known for just being extremely nasty...but it takes a while to get addicted and its my fav benzo regardless...BUT I would highly recommend doing some research and making sure not to take it too long...u don't wanna become physically addicted to that stuff


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Re: klonopin ruined last 4 journeys :( [Re: kija]
    #5813167 - 07/02/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Out of curiosity, are you on any other meds, kija?


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Re: klonopin ruined last 4 journeys :( [Re: Land_Crab]
    #5813412 - 07/02/06 07:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

klonopin last forEVER. I didn't know the actual half life but I know from experience if I take a heavy dose I'll "rebound" and be really anxious and jittery, but not until a couple days after. weirded me out the first time it happened, I couldn't figure out why I was so anxious.


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Re: klonopin ruined last 4 journeys :( [Re: Land_Crab]
    #5816336 - 07/03/06 03:06 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Also 10 mg lortab 4 times daily.
So your saying Swim would have to go without Klonopin for 3 days to be able to have the full mushy magic again??? Say it ain't so.
Does it also effect the cacti magic, Swims cat hasn't tried that since being on the Klonopin.Or the spirit molecule.
When he was on xanax, he did not have this problem.:(
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Re: klonopin ruined last 4 journeys :( [Re: kija]
    #5816921 - 07/03/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

benzos shouldn't affect the trip too much try taking more shrooms or get better ones. Im usually able to trip just fine on benzos just takes the edge off a little thats it almost the same as drinking beer on a trip. Are you on any other medications like maybe SSRI or anti psychotics or anything else because this doesn't sound typical or kpins to make you unable to trip at all?


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Re: klonopin ruined last 4 journeys :( [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #5817577 - 07/03/06 08:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

When swim was on Xanax he could go so far with 1.5 or extremely far with 1.75. Since he started klonopin he has tried up to 2 grams and just get a Lil mushy feel (if you know what he means by that) and he is very experienced with letting go and taking the ride.
All attempts been off the same flush/cake so potency should be consistent. Swim does not have that many opportunity's to travel the other worlds so this saddens him.
Without the Klonopin he will have panic attacks daily.Shitty luck.Don't want to waist 6 grams for a lvl 1-2 trip.When normally he is super sensitive to the mushroom.
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Re: klonopin ruined last 4 journeys :( [Re: kija]
    #5817654 - 07/03/06 08:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well I can say that I have tripped on clonopins, xanax and valiums all just fine no real noticeable potency decrease except like I said it just makes you feel more relaxed and in a more comfortable state but still tripping none the less. Thats why I say this sounds inconsistent with with my personal experience.


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Re: klonopin ruined last 4 journeys :( [Re: kija]
    #5819007 - 07/04/06 07:18 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

xanax has a much shorter half-life then klonopin...this is why it was easier with it...I don't find that benzos really stop a trip from happening they just make me feel more relaxed...tho I don't like to take a benzo until the tail end a trip when its pretty much over


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Re: klonopin ruined last 4 journeys :( [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5820829 - 07/04/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Is there Anyone here on klonopin every day(prescribed) , that can trip on mushrooms?? If so how much does it take you.Swim would hate to waist what could be 3-4 trips on one but ,if that id what it takes. Swim cannot go off of the Klonopin for too long.Maybe next time he will just switch to good ol xanax for a few days before his journey....ramble ramble.... Thanks for all the responses
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Re: klonopin ruined last 4 journeys :( [Re: kija]
    #5828463 - 07/06/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

so its been 5 days since swims last try,he will try again tonight.5 days should be enough for tolerance correct?
He as abstained from Klonopin for 30 hours. The 2g with the daily use of Klonopin did not do much at all.But he thinks it was because of the Klonopin. So Should he up the dose since its half life isn't up yet.??suggestions? Tonight will be my last night/chance for a long while and i want it to go well. Dose time 10:00 or 11:00pm. Please reply
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Re: klonopin ruined last 4 journeys :( [Re: kija]
    #5828749 - 07/06/06 06:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

it all depends...some ppl need a couple weeks some ppl only need 3 days

if u really want to get an idea of how long u have to be without the klonopin then u really should wait another week


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Re: klonopin ruined last 4 journeys :( [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5828775 - 07/06/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

thx,but without getting into details,this will be his last chance for a good while and he can only be off the medication for maybe a day max anyhow in his current situation.
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Re: klonopin ruined last 4 journeys :( [Re: kija]
    #5828790 - 07/06/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't mean to stay off the meds I meant to wait to stop em


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Re: klonopin ruined last 4 journeys :( [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5835058 - 07/08/06 01:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Is it possible the first trip was bad, and as a result you just assume that the trip is going to be bad because of the klonopins? It might have nothing to do with them. If you are taking them though, you probally don't want to stop to take mushrooms, you are probally addicted if you have taken them longer than a month, and the fact that you tripped 4 times leads while on kpins leads me to believe that you have been on them longer than a month. What you can do is just take valium or xanax for 2 days, and by that time the clonzepam will be at such a low dose that you won't even notice it. This might help if its all in your head, but if its really the benzos, then it probally won't help. (benzos can take longer than a month to get addicted to, but its usually around a month, a little less or a little bit longer). You could also try to taper your dose to as low as possible without being sick. I think it might just be in your head, because I have never heard of benzos having that great of an impact at that small of a dose. Not to say it isn't possible, just I've never heard of it. Why don't you just take a larger dose though? It would probally be your best bet IMO.


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Re: klonopin ruined last 4 journeys :( [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5835156 - 07/08/06 01:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

yes switched to xanax for approximately 3 days and dosed 2g, but still just threshhold.I am now thinking that swims first couple flushes were really potent and the last couple weren't as good.This sound possible?? BRF pf tek.
  Anyhow swims got 2.35g left of his first grow and will try the lemon exp. with the last bit in a few weeks.
  Reason he was worried about dosing to high,was because the first 2-3 times 1.75g sent him so far,so hes either sensitive to the magic or diminished potency on 3rd and 4th flush.Not sure yet.But the 3 days with no Klonopin tells me it didn't make a difference.Went through withdrawals for nothing :frown:
Guess its time for someone to try out the z-strain!!
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Re: klonopin ruined last 4 journeys :( [Re: kija]
    #5835556 - 07/08/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

ime it takes a good long time to get addicted to clonazepam physically

and yes its possible u had a weak batch..it happens(tho I'm more enclined to think its weak specific shrooms which is why I like to break up my flushes real well for even distribution of the goodies)


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Re: klonopin ruined last 4 journeys :( [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5836053 - 07/08/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Iamthewalrus said:
ime it takes a good long time to get addicted to clonazepam physically

and yes its possible u had a weak batch..it happens(tho I'm more enclined to think its weak specific shrooms which is why I like to break up my flushes real well for even distribution of the goodies)





yea,thats why swim ground them all up together and capped,then froze. So don't think there's potency loss. More research must be done.
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