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 Samelot
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 Mushroom I.D. Please? 
#5807566 - 06/30/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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hi, im in PA, where its been flooding the past week. After 2 days of sunshine i decided to take a trip to a horse farm. After about an hour of looking around i found tons of brownish shrooms that i think may fit the Panaeolus subbalteatus discription. I located them on horse poop and around horse poop. There were of many different shapes and sizes and different shades of tannish brown. Here are three pics of one of the shrooms.
Incase u have some troubles distinguishing its features...
-cap = Brown with a cinnamon swirl, 2-3 cm
-stem = tannish brown, 3-5 cm long.
-gills = brownish color aswell
is this shroom active???
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Psy Baba
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Re: Mushroom I.D. Please? [Re: Samelot]
#5807603 - 06/30/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Very much looks like a Pan Subb, but need spore print.
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 Re: Mushroom I.D. Please? [Re: Psy Baba]
#5807907 - 06/30/06 10:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Take a spore print. Leave the cap down on a piece of paper over night! Don't move it around every hour, or try and short cut the spore print, just wait over night.
brown spore print = Panaeolus foenisecii (not active)
jet black spore print = Panaeolus subbalteatus (mildly active)
*credits to Gumby*
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Psy Baba
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Re: Mushroom I.D. Please? [Re: Samelot]
#5807910 - 06/30/06 10:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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is your shroom on an empty note writing tablet?  :D
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 Re: Mushroom I.D. Please? [Re: Samelot]
#5807918 - 06/30/06 10:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Those are foenisecii . The gills are too brown to be Subbalteatus. Subbalteatus have black gills with a white edge to them.
That cap is too bell shaped as well.
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Psy Baba
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Re: Mushroom I.D. Please? [Re: angryshroom]
#5807922 - 06/30/06 10:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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do subbs and foes have the same looking stem?
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Re: Mushroom I.D. Please? [Re: Psy Baba]
#5808011 - 06/30/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Generally speaking, yes, but to the critical eye, foes have a pale-almost white stipe, where as, subbs have a darker reddish-brown tint to the stipe.
bluing is rarely but sometimes present in the base of the stipe of subbs, where fuzzy white mycellium is still intact.
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Samelot
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Re: Mushroom I.D. Please? [Re: Samelot]
#5808359 - 07/01/06 12:37 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey, are Panaeolus foenisecii poisonus or dangerous to eat??
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Re: Mushroom I.D. Please? [Re: Samelot]
#5808382 - 07/01/06 12:42 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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not any worse than eating silly putty.
enedible, non toxic, but you can swallow it.
since it can spoil easily however, the possible gastrointestinal issues make it not worth it.
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CureCat
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Re: Mushroom I.D. Please? [Re: Samelot]
#5808388 - 07/01/06 12:44 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Panaeolus foenisecii are not poisonous or dangerous to eat. Few people have reported mild stomach upsets, but that is all.... HOWEVER, a misidentified P. foenisecii can be deadly- and they will NOT get you high, despite what some literature may describe, P. foenisecii is NOT ACTIVE. I see no point in risking poisoning to eat a tiny mushroom of little culinary value and no chance of being active. You should not eat Panaeolus foenisecii.
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Re: Mushroom I.D. Please? [Re: CureCat]
#5808400 - 07/01/06 12:46 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah...ill pass hahaha
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Samelot
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Re: Mushroom I.D. Please? [Re: CureCat]
#5809951 - 07/01/06 02:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey Curecat, im just curious. What does a misidentified P. foenisecii look like, cause wouldnt there just be another possible misidentification for P. Subbalteatus.
Im just wondering beacuse i think i may have picked a mix of the two mushrooms. Heres some pics of all the finds together, take a look..
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Re: Mushroom I.D. Please? [Re: Samelot]
#5810022 - 07/01/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Samelot said:
Hey Curecat, im just curious. What does a misidentified P. foenisecii look like, cause wouldnt there just be another possible misidentification for P. Subbalteatus.
That question is rather subjective- what looks like 2 of "the same mushroom" to someone inexperienced, may appear blatantly distinct to an expert.
Subbs and foes are not deadly, but some alleged "look-a-likes" may be. It really is dependent on your scrutiny.
The bunch you have there appear to be a mix of Panaeolus, any that seem as though they may been in a different genus should be seperated or disposed of to prevent mixing any deadly mushrooms up. I would also recommend spore printing every single mushroom, being careful to keep each stem next to its cap. It is tedious, but best to be safe. I go as far as tossing mushrooms that appear to be subbs if they do not drop any spores.
Furthermore, you must be prompt with spore printing otherwise the mushrooms will be too dry and you will not be able to get a spore print.
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Re: Mushroom I.D. Please? [Re: Samelot]
#5810053 - 07/01/06 03:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Samelot,
Panaeolina foenisecii is a chocolate-brown-spored mushroom.
Panaeolus subbalteatus is a different genus which has black spores.
One more thing. There are four varieties of Panaeolina int he lawns. Most are macroscopically indistinguisable form one another.
Panaeolina foenisecii is not relative to the genera of Panaeolus. IT is a separate genus, as is Psilocybe and all of the other agaricales.
Panaeolina foenisecii is a lwan mushroom while panaeoluis subbalteatus is a composting shroom c0ommon in Haystacks, Compost heaps at riding stables and at race tracks and sometimes appears in manure. Distribution is worldwide and it is a weed shroom but not everywhere one might think.
Not more than a dozen or so people here at the Shroomery have found a large patch. Most find five to ten or so. IT does grow abundantly in hay but not so in manure.
mj
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Re: Mushroom I.D. Please? [Re: mjshroomer]
#5810203 - 07/01/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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ok, im doing a spore print of every one of them. and so brown is non active and black is active. But what spore will tell me its poisonous? And also, its been a day since ive had them, and they are kinda dry. Do u think they wont spore print because of one days keeping...???
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Samelot
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Re: Mushroom I.D. Please? [Re: Samelot]
#5811884 - 07/02/06 09:06 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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anyone?? it looks like none of my spore prints printed. its beacuse of the dryness of the shrooms.
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