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Huehuecoyotl
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Re: Took A Spiritual Break For A While... [Re: redgreenvines]
#5817150 - 07/03/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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"he would prefer to grow without meditation."
Wrong. I meditate and I am a strong believer in it's ability to tune the mind, but it is a means...not an end. There are many means. Meditation often is given too much importance....the focus should be on one's attitudes and actions.
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Re: Took A Spiritual Break For A While... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#5817525 - 07/03/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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how?
probably by a form of meditation.
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Re: Took A Spiritual Break For A While... [Re: redgreenvines]
#5817792 - 07/03/06 09:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you see all introspective work as a form of meditation, then?
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Re: Took A Spiritual Break For A While... [Re: redgreenvines]
#5818142 - 07/03/06 11:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I started out doing typical Zen style meditation when I was younger, but I drifted away from it in my mid 20s. In my mid 30s I started meditating again in the Tibetan Buddhist style. I eventually learned to move into a meditative state without all of the preparation typical eastern meditation requires in order to dynamically tap the higher self in solving problems and calming emotional states. As Veritas asked of you, I see all introspective states as a form of meditation. I can effectively quiet my mind to focus on important issues and bring me into the "now". My first go around with meditation ended in my 20s because I didn't know how to apply the mental techniques to everyday life...now I do....but I am careful not to see meditation as growth, but as a means to grow if used properly. It can also be a means to avoid growth, and it is for many practitioners.
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Re: Took A Spiritual Break For A While... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#5818923 - 07/04/06 05:41 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i see introspection as a pose or possibly a posture (attitude). not as a state.
the states of mind are independent of pose or content. the states of mind are how vibrant or layered the mind is - you could say the degree of dreaminess to describe state, as this has to accommodate emotional as well as psychedelic modifications of resonance which we most commonly call states of mind.
introspection can be dry and literal or cosmic and so it can be associated with a range of states.
with meditation you can hone rough edges and clanging linkages in the self so that the mental system can run more smoothly. it is like rebuilding your engine.
it combines awareness and attitude, in order to adjust attitude by awareness.
the introspection finds a rough edge, and the concentration absorption centered on it heals the roughnesses and clangynesses by penetrating or sinking in. this often also includes shifting resonance and traversing mental states, so it can be trippy.
the engine always needs some work, but not as much as when you first noticed that it was out of whack.
sometimes it gets tuned by a person expecting it would do something else once tuned than naturally equipped for - like black magic for instance, and sometimes that confusing intent affects the tuning process so that the engine is more messed up and finicky than when the sad mechanic started.
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Re: Took A Spiritual Break For A While... [Re: redgreenvines]
#5819078 - 07/04/06 08:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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"with meditation you can hone rough edges and clanging linkages in the self so that the mental system can run more smoothly. it is like rebuilding your engine."
Good analogy
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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