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UFOs, and why they have something to do with hallucinogens?
    #5810289 - 07/01/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry for the bad spelling/sentance structure. I wrote this when I was drunk one night. It was written years after the experience, and I wrote this long ass page really fast. So sorry if I didnt cover enough ground for your liking. Its a true story, none of it is fabricated one bit, and it was experienced by two people.

Though my report title is funny this is no joke...

One day me and my best friend ate a dime each of shrooms and had a great trip, we were young, so one dime was at the time, less interesting, less intense, though more visual than acid. Lots of mind games, time dialation, many uncommon sources of laughter, and all with massive visuals.
Later that day we took what we felt was a more serious and mind blowing hallucinogen, Lsd, we may have been wrong about that though.
We ate 2 gel tabs(of real acid or "good" acid) and sat on the playground at the school we went to when we were young. We had never mixed the two drugs before. The mind-games became serious and almost scary. We were reading each others subconscious cognative influences within the confines of the fine archetectures our conversations produced, (occupying each others minds). We were weird and articulate kids far beyond our years, however if I did this dose today, the experience would be at least 3 times as intense, and far too much.
It was really weird and felt like the winds and the visual phenomena that followed were alive and talking to us everytime we met with silence, because of the conversations that required such silence and contemplation at the time. Without the wind we would feel the same intense, heart-palipitation inducing visual and auditory rushes as if the intellect and vision was closely intertwined between the two of us. We then saw something in the distance. We had experienced some weird things but this......
There was a forest in our line of sight that had a new feature in it that we had never seen before, a giant disc of light, we looked off and saw it at the same time, for the same reason(or seemingly, as it had been the theme that night). It was like a giant neon-lit disc that was either hanging by a broken night post or a string in the sky, as it waivered back and forth. There were no lights in that forest preserve; we thought this to each other without saying, yet another primal joke between us but there was no laughing this time. The amount of light that it emitted was enough to give us (seniors in high school) goose bumps. We watched it as our conversations became dominated for the first time by another(seperate of the anomaly and eventually returning to it), one that spoke the truth, it was even funny at times and knew better than we did where we were going in the conversations. There is no reason people at our age should have been able to finish a complex thought with the intriquet and twisting flick of the wrist/hand just to have fun with the idea of experiencing the only telepathy that we knew of. It got more and more intense as the light moved quietly to the south untill the light disappeared. We were special, smart, but not crazy.
What follows could have been real or an expression of the archetypal mind coming in and checking on us or allowing us to use it, I dont know, my friend seems all the more confussed about it 4 years later. By the way this acid as far as I know doesnt exist anymore, it does somewhere, but usually not in the realm of people who deal drugs, (other kids we "sold" it to, agreed or had rather extreem and hard trips). Even the most visual/auditory acid is usually not real lsd-25, but if ya know the guy who can get that stuff, its a start. Those people takeing 10-20 strips of paper or gel, dont often have real acid or even good acid.
Anyways, We got cold and uncomforitable and the conversations met a stand still, a stand still of the sort that never happened to us, all disappeared including the light. As we got up to leave our "spot" we got to the end of the school where the street begines and saw something he and I will never forget.
A triangulare craft flew right over us and hung there in the sky, equiped with three greenish-white "neonish" lights about 10-20 feet above our heads for some time, and then we ran like hell into the street that lead to my friends house.
By the way this wasn't fun and im not kidding, nor were we seeing shit because we were anxiety stricken, if any thing we had elevated heart rates.
At the time my friend was not "in shape" and lagged behind a bit as I called to him. I was tearing up as I ran cause I knew something then, better than I do now. I was not crying though, just ready to die, but not entirely and was just happy to be confronted like this. We reached my friends liberal house-hold after about a quarter of a mile, and have only talked very little about it since, it was mainly talked about right after the experience, but still very little ever after, I was always willing to talk, he was not.
Whatever this was that we both saw scared us alot. My friend was ready to have a heart attack after running such a distance on acid, pot, and shrooms.
This thing, whilst under it,was massive and was accompanied by the most intense audio I had ever heard on these drugs(it takes about 3 grams of morning glory seeds nowadays to hear something that is so complex that it does not belong to me, in a way). I was a musician, and became a very serious musician because of the things I heard that night as it has lived on throughout my life. A musician who, though had already been very invovled in music, has to tune peoples inturements(annoys other musicians but sounds the best on recordings) because my ear is better than any tuning devise and I only care cause I can hear it and cant stand anything other than it. This probably has to do with the fact that these devises dont take into consideration the metals and their different tonal features.
This "thing" though, was the beginning of something even greater for me, something that I dont even talk about unless asked. Still, I cant give the whole story cause I cant trip anymore(many there after but not anymore), and dont want to taint the message, yet I see the message every day, not since the UFO, but since I disected that world later in life. Though In some way, it started there.
Im feel like some genetic mutation.
None the less or more, what we saw would have scared any one shitless. Thats why us two grown boys saw it, and ran like hell. By the way It was gone after about one eighth of a mile, we were running too fast to see its exit, yet we kept running.
From then, in later trips, we looked into the skies to see where we were going, and it helped us cause we saw strange things, but it died off gradually, and our group experiences ended prematurely because of a heart rate phenom. that I only experienced when with him, and always from then on, inside ones own skyless home.
Ive had many even more mind blowing experiences because I wanted to be alone since soon there after. The ufos only came on a blue moon, so they say.
This shit was real and valid even if it didnt exist, or wouldnt have been seen by sober onlookers. This was an increadible event. The only thing iv ever heard about such things is in T Mckennas book, "True Hallucinations".
I will always know what it is we saw(without eluding to the real info), whatever it was though, I hope it interests some people about the subject of true hallucinations and ufos. This thing was bigger than ourselves as people. It was also special.
If anyone has an interesting experience like this or comment, id love to hear it. Even if you think Im talking about spacecraft.

I just wanted to post this because after re-reading it I even can still find it to be pretty damn interesting. Whatever happened that night was indeed pretty weird no matter how you look at it.

Spare me the comments about lsd visuals that CAN produce ufo's, paranoia, and other stuff you could easily figure I already know and have discounted as an explanation. We experienced something weird that night regardless of whether or not we encountered a flesh and blood "spacecraft".
I want to see if anyone else has had similare occurences when on hallucinogens.


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Re: UFOs, and why they have something to do with hallucinogens? [Re: stemmer]
    #5810347 - 07/01/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You may get more of the "sharing experience" response you are requesting  in MR&P.  As this forum is oriented towards debating ideas, you are more likely to get debunked.

Those who want to discuss their mystical experiences without  "the comments about lsd visuals that CAN produce ufo's, paranoia, and other stuff you could easily figure I already know and have discounted as an explanation" have moved to the no-debates-allowed forum. :shrug:


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Re: UFOs, and why they have something to do with hallucinogens? [Re: Veritas]
    #5810362 - 07/01/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Thats what I want though. I want to see people try to debunk a hallucination, or whatever it was. I also wanted to see how people like myself would react to such a thing. If I was you, im not so sure Id be too interested unless a similare "group hallucination" had happened to me already.

Its just something that happened, I just wanted to see what would happen if I posted it here. I never said what I thought it was, Ijust threw some ideas out there.

Rationality is pretty big when it comes to philosophy. I just wanted to hear what you "interesting" philosophical folks think about it.
I put that last little paragraph in there so I could hear something from yall that might interest me. Im here for my own entertainment. Im not asking anyone to prove me right or wrong. I have not even given my "stance" on the subject. Its just that any interesting comment about it would interest me.


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Re: UFOs, and why they have something to do with hallucinogens? [Re: stemmer]
    #5810527 - 07/01/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Okey dokey, just thought you might be looking for more of the "yeah, that happened to me, too!" variety of response, based on your disclaimer.

Have fun!  :grin:

P.S. It would make it easier to read your post if you broke it up into paragraphs.  Some people won't read it if it is all one block.


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Re: UFOs, and why they have something to do with hallucinogens? [Re: Veritas]
    #5810732 - 07/01/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not going to spare you any comment that I don't want to express, sorry man, so with your experience with this UFO was definitly a hullucination for sure, but what can you really say other than the fact that you had some crazy visuals, and some weird relations to it, besides LSD and shrooms together I'd expect such a thing, It sounded fucking cool, and I wish I could of witnessed it myself, but I've had my own bizarre experiences, and everytime you tell someone, you get a lack luster appreciative response, because no one else had that experience and don't know how it feels, other than the fact, hey this dude had a crazy trip, and thats my reaction to this, it was probably a defining moment in your life, but really it won't matter much to anyone else, but who cares, trippin is what it is, learn and have fun with it, if you think it gave up deep insight into nature of reality, then I don't question it, but usually trying to analyze such occurances will raise up red flags to others, because all they see a person trippin, period.


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Re: UFOs, and why they have something to do with hallucinogens? [Re: capliberty]
    #5811120 - 07/01/06 10:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I live in the country on 100 acres of land. One night my friend and I took mushrooms. I took a half eighth and my buddy took a full one (he is 6'7" and 350 lbs so it's not that big of a dose).

The environment in this case was grassland. Open fields on top of a cliff. We could not see the house until we got approximately 30 yards away because of the slope of the terrain. I never had any visuals while on them, just that good old feeling of being in mushroom land. We smoked some herb to try to set it off, and stood outside on a trail about 200 yards away from my house.

Anyway we were baked and barely feeling the mushies so we decided to head inside. It was dark outside and we could only see because the sky was so clear and the stars were so bright.

As we walked up a slight hill going toward my house, we noticed what seemed like lights coming toward us. We stopped, not knowing what it was. Then slowly two lights peaked over the crest of the hill and kept moving toward us, only about 15 yards away.

Now there is a road in the direction that these lights came from, but it is over 400 yards away. Also, I have ruled out headlights because the two lights were slightly bobbing up and down independently of each other.

Then it appeared as though two extremely tall, skinny figures, (all black because it was nighttime with no moon) were walking toward us carrying flashlights. Now, these beings did not look human, but I reasoned that they could be people walking toward us (although it couldn't have because we were on my private land and no one else was there).

So, thinking that maybe the sherrif had wandered onto my property, we turned around and ran about 10 yards back. As we turned around, in the field to our side, about 50 yard away, was a round light. It was like a large, million candle-power spotlight, but it did not illuminate anything. It was just a round ball of light. It hovered about 3 or 4 feet above the ground and made no noise. It was bright so we couldn't see the source, but I figured it was an ATV driving around in my field. But there was no noise....it moved around quickly and stopped a couple of times, but did not make a sound. We were a little freaked out and decided to take our chances with the things holding the "flashlights" so we turned around again to go back home.

When we got back to the place on the path where we encountered the first lights, there was nothing. So we went back to see if the light in the field was still there, but it was not.

Now keep in mind, I was barely tripping. I had no visuals the entire trip, except for all of the stars seeming very bright. We were high when this happened but still pretty much there mentally.

The next day we finally spoke about what each of us saw in detail, and the interpretations were very similar.


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Re: UFOs, and why they have something to do with hallucinogens? [Re: SoY]
    #5811147 - 07/01/06 11:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

crazy. a couple weeks ago i cashed a roor bowl and swore i saw some ufos .


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Re: UFOs, and why they have something to do with hallucinogens? [Re: 2859558484]
    #5811149 - 07/01/06 11:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

hey thats a sweet avatar. what's a roor bowl?


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Re: UFOs, and why they have something to do with hallucinogens? [Re: SoY]
    #5811233 - 07/01/06 11:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Like I said.  I was drunk and wrote it about 2 years ago.  I didnt feel the need to change it.  If I wanted someone to tell me why it was a hallucination, that I spell certain words wrong, or that I should break it off into paragraphs I could have asked anybody.  (by the way, I was writing in paragraphs, but at the time I didnt know that the shroomery indented backwards).

So thanks for the astute observations Veritas...    :wink:

  It was an intense, archetypal, meaningful hallucination. Even if it was all in my head,  why was my brain so irrational about ufo's at the time?  Ive always been very logical and interpret my visions in a way that is explainable(though sometimes quite complex).
So calling it a simple everyday hallucination doesnt quite fit.  It deserves more explanation.

    For those telling me it was a hallucination, well, it probably was.  I thought I made that obvious.
  Two people who dosed at the same times and were talking about the same things when it happened is what makes it significant.
    So you can call it what you will.  A hallucination of that sort is easy to consider to be flat out meaningless.  It depends on who you are as "the reader".....


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Re: UFOs, and why they have something to do with hallucinogens? [Re: soulcircus]
    #5812930 - 07/02/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I've heard stories from a "reliable" source that there have been repeated group visions/hallucinations of spacecraft coming down from the skies during Peruvian Torch ceremonies in the mountains of Peru, but I did not witness this myself. I was just blown away by the story and how it seemed to happen over and over to differnet groups of people.

Don't know if that's the sort of thing you are looking for since it's not a first-hand experience though.


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Re: UFOs, and why they have something to do with hallucinogens? [Re: VirgilKane]
    #5813767 - 07/02/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Same with ayahuasca, and other hallucinogens aswell im sure, though they might not be as well documented. One of the most famous artists that portreys the ayahuasca experience puts ufo's into his paintings. Hmmmm, why would that be?

Thats an interesting post schapper. Im not looking for anything too specific here.
I just thought that it might interest some people since im not making up some elaborate lie.

It has happened to other people as you seem to sort of know.

This was not some typical visual or some shit. I have tripped 10-20 times harder many times, this one was special in this very specific way. It was almost inviting. I never saw anything like that again but still accepted the invitation. SOme manifestation of what ever it was has been with me ever since.

Its actually a pretty complex subject. My trips usually dont make me feel like im seeing/somehow talking to entities, or even UFO's.

Though I can feel them strongly, I dont see them, or communicate with "it" very often.

Audio-visuals, and synchronicity/life-cycles have taught me more about this strange and more unexplainable side of hallucinogens than anything else. This "sighting" has always been a little bit too real even for me.

I dont get delerious, or in any way out of control on almost any dose. This experience of running from a craft that me and my best friend saw takes the cake, and at the same time its true meaning remains hidden to almost everybody.
A hallucination of this magnitude just doesnt happen on such low doses(1.7 grams shrooms and 160 mics of lsd). I would probably have felt at home with any such hallucination had I been on lets say, 1500 mics of lsd. This was an experience that I would consider to be something that happened when our sight was not compromised much, but our cognition was being lead somehow(like most trips, 160 of them in my case). It was all the magic that even the most out there trips were made of, and then some, but we had not taken much lsd or mushrooms at the time.
We tripped very hard on this low-mid dose because of the mind games between us, etc. I think that to put this experience into the simplest form, we made it happen. All things in the trip lead up to this climax, and then we came down.

Im not even a big fan of sci-fi. I just think that this story says something.
To bring up any seperate "UFO experience" would make me sound pretty nutty If I was not to explain myself before hand.
Thats why I have not explained much of anything.


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Re: UFOs, and why they have something to do with hallucinogens? [Re: stemmer]
    #5814011 - 07/02/06 10:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think I get the drift more, this experience is definitely an eye opening experience, I kinda understand a few things about aliens and the future myself, you can kinda make a portal with your existence with the use of mind expanding psychedelics, such as aliens being able to travel on physic energy, or on some weird frequency level, that you don't quit understand, I've had bizarre occurrences in a few of my trips as well, I had this dream, I told you about where I met the actual person in my dream , later on in life, The whole atmosphere was weird to, like the space, the air was alive,in how it played a part in my trip, everyone at this party was trippin hard also, on different things, It had a weird vibe that kinda catapulted my hallucinations and trip, Meeting that person in my dreams was weird, because he exactly expressed the same message in my dream, with the same expressions, He said remember Dj Krush, out of no where, why would you go up to someone you don't even know and ask this, smiled and then kept on walking, Then I thought to myself I had this similar experience with a kid, remember Dj Krush, and to me it seemed very similar to how he it came up, and I longed forget about this dream, but all kept flooding back, how this kid resembled the same kid in my dreams, its weird the cosmic consciousness bridges a gap between the dream state and reality, what was also weird wash how people looked at this party, they looked like they're from a different planet, plus I had this Deja Vu going on, and crazy rhythm in my movements, this was also due to the cosmic vibe, people acting weird also, so out of the ordinary, I couldn't describe it. If that gave you any clues be sure post what you know,


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Re: UFOs, and why they have something to do with hallucinogens? [Re: capliberty]
    #5814177 - 07/02/06 11:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

what I know:

Ufo's aside, I know that there is some organizational ability within the mind that can make you feel like you are talking to/communicating with someone else(geometric, 3-d pusher of cognition, a logic machine able to weigh concepts and ideas). Someone/thing that almost seems to act as an ambassador between you and all you should have known before.
Entities often would fall into this category.

Some people would like to discount the claims of "entities" and such things.
I think that what makes them real is most interesting. Not what makes them not real, and arguably invalid.

Mushrooms speak, ayahuasca speaks etc...... Thats what I believe.

To some extent I know how they speak.
Tripping very hard so very many times, makes me able to connect the dots pretty well. Reading a whole lot about genes, evolution, physics, and other things make me able to understand it even better.

I still dont know how to explain what happened to us during that trip. I can come close though from various vantage points.

As it is and was, I can still only sum up the things I know for sure in a long ass book If I were to write one. This UFO experience steps outside of even the most common magical happenings for me.
The book "True Hallucinations" might shed some light for those who are even beginning to grasp what im talking about. I say that because that book says little about it, but still says more than you can ever find from any book when it comes to UFO's, synchronicity, telepathy, and hallucinogens.

Where does the organization come from?

My belief is that it is self conscious neurology. The body becomes a machine. A machine with organizational capabilities that are not all too applicable in our modern day, but say more about the potential of the human mind than almost anything else.
When that self-conscious neurology speaks to you, It is not only done in the english language. Its the primal logos. Which to many people seems very alien. Aliens, ufos...........

If there is any truth to it being universal, then it could be fuckering around with the dimentions we are capable of experiencing.
If you have not experienced time dilation, you wont even know the premis of why I would call much I have said true.

It just goes so much deeper. "God" only knows the limits to this landscape of possibilities.


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