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Re: The concept of a "sound" has no boundaries. [Re: Syle]
    #5828912 - 07/06/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

We'll definitely try enhancing our current senses first.

Like being able to see ultraviolet or radio waves or one of the other non-visible bands of light.


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Re: The concept of a "sound" has no boundaries. [Re: trendal]
    #5828966 - 07/06/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I hear yah there. But developing new senses would be something like telepathy.


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Re: The concept of a "sound" has no boundaries. [Re: Syle]
    #5828996 - 07/06/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Just as we hear music, fish feel music as vibrations. Just as we can feel the heat of something, snakes can see the heat.

I think we can perceive a part of every facet of reality, it is just the medium of perception and sensitivity would change.


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Re: The concept of a "sound" has no boundaries. [Re: Syle]
    #5830670 - 07/07/06 06:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

But, what if we could hear without our ears and actually tap into the unaltered sound waves.

The wave is reacting with some structure inside your ear, which produces the sound. By changing the dimensions of that structure (a larger or more rigid membrane, for example), you can change the amplitude and the frequency in arbitrary ways, like different animals hearing sound differently. By adding complexity and/or hacking the brain you can make the barking of a dog sound like beethoven’s fifth symphony, or with a little more effort, you can see colors instead (you have to attach afferent neurons to the oscillating cochlea and use it to exhibit the photoreceptor cells in the eye - don't do that unless you're a professional).

So this seems to be pretty much arbitrary. Give me thing A, thing B, and enough control over your brain, and I can make you experience B as A and A as B - that is, by hacking your experiental structure I will make you see a car as a dog, understand blue as loud, and confuse concepts with breakfast cereals.

I guess the sound is a relationship between the wave and your ear. Changing the wave, or changing the ear, produces arbitrarily different sounds. Tapping into the unaltered sound wave is, therefore, experiencing every possible relationship the sound wave can form with something else, including ears.

It is being the sound wave.


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Re: The concept of a "sound" has no boundaries. [Re: Nomad]
    #5830683 - 07/07/06 06:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

the original neurophone was not digital. this is very new, i didnt even know about that.. but regardless of analog/digital, and where you stand, the technology of the neurophone is still groundbreaking.

DEAF people can hear with it. how is that poo?


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Re: The concept of a "sound" has no boundaries. [Re: Syle]
    #5830703 - 07/07/06 06:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Because our ears buffer the sound waves coming in, we don't hear them as they should be. A form of control takes over and we hear the sound the way our ear tells us we should.

Note the symmetry - the wave is a form of control over the sound, just as your ear is.


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Re: The concept of a "sound" has no boundaries. [Re: kotik]
    #5831327 - 07/07/06 12:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I just clicked the link and read the first page. In its first sentence it had bullshit, so I called bullshit. Maybe my spidey sense was thrown off by shitty advertisement.


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Re: The concept of a "sound" has no boundaries. [Re: Syle]
    #5832108 - 07/07/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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What other senses could there be?




You would have fun googling Synethesia. There are people who have two senses blending at the same time. Yet, the second is unordinary. Sounds have colors they see, shapes have tastes they tastes, etc. It sounds like the world they live in is extra sensory rich and wonderful. Check out synethesia! :thumbup:

This is weird and related to ESP in general. I had an internet friend who over the internet, if in a group chat box like AIM, would often taste what someone was eating.  He would ask, "who here is eating chocolate cake? I taste chocolate cake" Someone would be eating whatever it was he said he started tasting. It was wierd.

I wish I understood what you are asking about being able to "hear" sound without your ears.  That's what sensitives and psychics do at ultra refined vibratory levels. On the denser levels, even we can feel bass sound waves like someone said and deaf people can dance to it and know when something drops on the floor behind them just off of feeling the immediate sound vibrations. Jack up that sensitivity and ability to focus your inner tuner dial and ??????????????:lol: 

Looking up what that word synethesia was ( I forgot it) I found that science is now close to inventing a device that will allow blind people with their visual imagery portion of the brain intact to see videos via sound waves. Imagine being able to watch pre recorded videos without your eyes via sound. Hard to comprehend how that works.

You might be interested in the work of Dr. Robert Monroe. He was experimenting with sound frequencies while in the REM dream state and people in different rooms would end up in the same dream place together when they listened to the same sound pitch while sleeping. Their stories of the group dream activity corroborated. The same tone could take anyone to a specific place. You could not only revisit the same place while dreaming but the same beings would often be there too.

His books are awesome.  He died, but the Monroe Institute continues on with the research.

Neat topic to explore. Nice Post idea and interesting thread!

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