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Mitchnast
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Registered: 10/27/99
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hey MJ
#5808393 - 07/01/06 12:45 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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what's your policy about people reproducing material from the safe-pik guide?
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Feelers
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Registered: 06/18/02
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Since this is a message to MJ aswell - I was wondering what your take is on the Witches Hat mushroom - and the rumors of its activity?
Could you please reply to in this thread on the subject? http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post5778905
Cheers MJ, its been puzzeling me.
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mjshroomer
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Registered: 07/21/99
Posts: 13,774
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Re: hey MJ [Re: Feelers]
#5809181 - 07/01/06 08:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I cannot open my home page only once ina a while. I have a trojan hijack for the last six months or so which will not go away.
When I log in I get a blank page that says done. So I have to go backspace to te log-in page and then hit main index to get to the forums. (IT will not let me read my private pm messages_, or go to my ratings or my posts or pictures.
It only opens at certain times and this is not one of them.
As for people using my images. They are copyrighted and need the permission of Shroomster Enterprises and my permision to use them. If it is the Australian Guide or the Safwe-Pik guide then they need my permission and that of Fire and Earth at erowid.org
As for the Hygrocybe (witches Hat or related Hygrocybes, Gartz analysed some in the late 1980s and found no psilocine or psilocybine in them. I believe that Tjakko Stijve also analysed them with the same results.
I know some books say edible, some say poisonous and other say hallucinogenic or mildly hallucinogenic.
I do not believe they are psychoaoctive at all.
have a shroomy day
mj
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mikonn
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Registered: 05/29/05
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Jesus MJ you've really got to do something about that Trojan. What have you tried? Take a look at this. Six months is a long time to be putting up with that crap.
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Mitchnast
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Re: hey MJ [Re: mikonn]
#5809893 - 07/01/06 02:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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thanks MJ, BTW, does the safe pick guide list psilocybe stuntzii as one of the most potent speceis?
i havent read it myself, but i was privy to someone claiming that it gave such a reference. I wouldn't think you would make such a claim or allow such a claim to be published under your name considering ive always understood that you've beleived stuntzii to be a weaker species comparitively. And moreover, I beleive it to be a weaker variety also. not the type that would produce an insane hell trip from 3 or so grams.
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mjshroomer
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IT is possible that Erowid has a few minor mistakes int he guide.
In the mid 197o9s when I first collect masses of P. stuntzii in Seattle from the Art Museum tot he UW campus, Dr. Daniel Stunts first identified them to me as Psilocybe cyanescens, so in the first and 2nd editions of "Magic Mushrooms of the Pacific Northwest, I listed dosage for P. cyanescens as 20 to 40 mushrooms.
Luckilly no one ever tried to consume that many real cyanescens.
Bob Harris made similar mistakes in his book, growing wild mushrooms.
By the 3rd printing (53,000 books) I had corrwected that error, but 12,000 books had that error. I also remember recently someone showed the Safe-Pik Guide had a mistake ont he liberty caps page saying 1-3 mushrooms or something to that effect. I always send tha corrections to Fire and Earth. IT is just that they take a long time to log items into their system. That is because they cover many different drugs, so sooner or later those errors have been corrected.
Remember thatt they retyped the whole book, except for the comments on each pictures backside. They use one comment for the whole species rather than the ten different comments to the species photos of each species represented int he guide.
mj
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Mitchnast
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Lysergic_Milkman
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Quote:
mjshroomer said: I always send tha corrections to Fire and Earth. IT is just that they take a long time to log items into their system. That is because they cover many different drugs, so sooner or later those errors have been corrected.
I enjoy the same hobby as you do (correcting things at erowid.org, that is), and I couldn't agree with you more. They fixed the error that I found in the sleepy grass/LSA article within days and notified me soon there after, but it has taken up to several months for them to reply to the other corrections that I have submitted. Poor Earth & Fire...
Edited by Lysergic_Milkman (07/01/06 10:34 PM)
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Zen Peddler


Registered: 06/18/01
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Actually someone claims quite recently on this site to have consummed an ounce of dried Ps.cyanescens...
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Great Scott
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Quote:
mjshroomer said: I listed dosage for P. cyanescens as 20 to 40 mushrooms.
Luckilly no one ever tried to consume that many real cyanescens.
mj
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mjshroomer
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That dosage was in the first 2000 copies of my guide which at the time sold for $2.50 a copy (Magic Mushrooms of the pPNW. That was because Dr. Daniel Stuntz told me my P. stuntzii's were P. cyanescens.
Dr. Stuntz was unaware that The mushroom was going to be named in his honor. He saw neumerous collections coming in from UW students. Between 1973 and 1976, he hasd looked at dozens of collections.
So the common dosage according to Haard and Haard (1976), Bob Harris, Lincoff and Mitchell (all 1976) listed dosages at 20-40 mushrooms for P. stuntzii, equal to one third to one half of a fresh ounce of mushroms, while P. cyanescens varied form 4-10 hits or more in a fresh ounce, depending on the size of the mushroom.
I used Stuntz' id of the stuntzii'; and posted them as P. cyanescens in magic musrhooms of the PNW first printing.
Later it was corrected to include both P. stuntzii and P. cyanescesns as two separate species.
mj
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Supernova
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"Claims" are just those- the typer's conceptions.
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Mitchnast
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OH, well then, i guess i owe him an apology for saying that he was BSing to say your guide calimed stunzii as super potent.
hmmm.
i hate that!!
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shroomydan
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We all make mistakes Mitchnast. Feel the humanity!
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mjshroomer
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Mitchnast, that dosage listing was for Magic Mushrooms of the Pacific Northwest, not for the Safe-Piik Guide. He specifically referred to the safe-pik guide. The dosage in that guide is correct for P. stuntzii and the kid was wrong about the dose.
mj mjshroomer
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Mitchnast
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oh, ok, good thing I always procrastinate with being humble.
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