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Honey = Bee Vomit.
    #5806937 - 06/30/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Am I the only one that did not know this?  Honey, that super sweet, sticky, delicious substance that Americans eat regulary, is actually Bee vomit.  I found this out last night, and I'm very disturbed by it.  :sad:


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Re: Honey = Bee Vomit. [Re: Liz]
    #5806943 - 06/30/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

lol

Yeah, I knew about this a while ago. It's crazy eh?


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Re: Honey = Bee Vomit. [Re: drtyfrnk]
    #5806950 - 06/30/06 02:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

its good to smear a bit of bee vomit on a paper prior to rolling a joint


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Re: Honey = Bee Vomit. [Re: Liz]
    #5806951 - 06/30/06 02:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

No more disturbing than the fact that cheese is rotten milk.


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Re: Honey = Bee Vomit. [Re: Liz]
    #5806952 - 06/30/06 02:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah because the honey Europeans eat isn't delicious and it's made of praying mantises fecal matter :rolleyes:


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Re: Honey = Bee Vomit. [Re: Liz]
    #5806955 - 06/30/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Dear Cecil:

Is it true honey is really . . . bee vomit? --Lisa, Chicago

Dear Lisa:

Well . . . yeah. This isn't something the Honey Marketing Association is going to make the centerpiece of its next ad campaign, but the fact is that honey is made from nectar the worker bees regurgitate, which is a polite way of saying vomit.

The bees collect the nectar from flowers and store it in their "honey stomachs," separate from their true stomachs. On their way back to the hive they secrete enzymes into it that begin converting the stuff into honey. Once in the hive they yuke up the nectar and either turn it over to other workers for further processing or else dump it directly into the honeycomb. The bees then beat their tiny wings to fan air through the hive to evaporate excess water from the honey. Last they cover the honeycomb cell with wax, figuring hey, we worked like dogs, but at least now we'll be able to get a snack whenever we want. Suckers. The humans steal the honey, pack it in bottles, and there you go--direct from the bees' guts to yours.

I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, gosh, Unca Cecil, what other fun facts do you know about bees? Well, in my opinion, you can never know too much about an insect's sex life. Did you know that proportionally to its body size, the genitalia of a drone bee are among the largest of any animal on earth? Mention this to the girls over bridge and you'll definitely get the conversation off Tupperware.

The size of its equipment is thought to be directly related to the drone's post-coital fate, namely death. My bee book notes, "[the genitals] are contained in the abdomen and presumably getting them out of the abdomen for the purpose of mating places such a strain on [the bee] that it dies in the process." As I understand it, the proximate cause of the drone's demise is that its privates are (urk) ripped off during the act. One more reason for caution, boys, when we are fumbling in the dark.

One last thing. Despite its status as bee stud, the drone is not itself produced as a result of sex. On the contrary, it develops from an unfertilized egg. (Fertilized eggs become either workers or queens.) My bee book drolly comments, "Thus the queen bee is capable of parthenogenesis and drone bees have no father, only a grandfather." You think your family is dysfunctional, be glad you're not a bee.
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Re: Honey = Bee Vomit. [Re: Silversoul]
    #5806956 - 06/30/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Or that many plants crops grow on manure.


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Re: Honey = Bee Vomit. [Re: Liz]
    #5806958 - 06/30/06 02:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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This article is about the insect-produced fluid. For other uses of the term, see Honey (disambiguation).

Honey
honey comb
A capped frame of honeycombHoney is a sweet and viscous fluid produced by honeybees and other insects from the nectar of flowers. "The definition of honey stipulates a pure product that does not allow for the addition of any other substance. This includes, but is not limited to, water or other sweeteners," according to the United States National Honey Board 2003 and other nations' food regulations. This article refers exclusively to the honey produced by honeybees (the genus Apis); honey produced by other bees or other insects has very different properties.

Honey is significantly sweeter than table sugar and has attractive chemical properties for baking. Honey has a distinctive flavor which leads some people to prefer it over sugar and other sweeteners.

Liquid honey does not spoil. Because of its high sugar concentration, it kills bacteria by plasmolysis. Natural airborne yeasts cannot become active in it because the moisture content is too low. Natural, raw honey varies from 14% to 18% moisture content. As long as the moisture content remains under 18%, virtually no organism can successfully multiply to significant amounts in honey.

The study of pollens and spores in raw honey (melissopalynology) can determine floral sources of honey. Because bees carry an electrostatic charge, and can attract other particles, the same techniques of melissopalynology can be used in area environmental studies of radioactive particles, dust, or particulate pollution.

A main effect of bees collecting nectar to make honey is pollination, which is crucial for flowering plants.

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1 Composition of honey
2 Types of honey
2.1 Honeydew
3 Use of honey
4 Honey in culture and folklore
5 Honey formation
6 Medical uses for honey
6.1 Osmotic effect
6.2 Hydrogen peroxide
6.3 Acidity
6.4 Medical applications
6.5 Honey and infants
7 Honey as a product
7.1 Honey processing
7.2 Other descriptions
8 See also
9 External links



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Composition of honey
Honey is a mixture of sugars and other compounds. The specific composition of any batch of honey will depend largely on the mix of flowers consumed by the bees that produced the honey. Honey has a density of about 1500 kg/m3 (50% denser than water) which means 12-13 pounds per gallon.

Typical honey analysis
Fructose: 38%
Glucose: 31%
Sucrose: 1%
Water: 17%
Other sugars: 9% (maltose, melezitose)
Ash: 0.17%
Source: Sugar Alliance
The analysis of the sugar content of honey is used for detecting adulteration.

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Types of honey
Main article: Monofloral honey
The flavour and colour of honey are largely determined by the nectar source. Common flavours of honey include orange blossom, tupelo, buckwheat, clover, blackberry, and blueberry. In Australia, the most common honey is from the eucalyptus trees, such as redgum, yellow gum and stringybark. Tasmanian leatherwood honey is considered a delicacy for its unique flavour.

While it is rare for any honey to be produced exclusively from one floral source, honey will take on the flavor of the dominant flower in the region. Orange blossom, tupelo, and sourwood are favoured types in the United States. Greece is famous for wild thyme honey, as is France for lavender and acacia honey.

In 2005, New Zealand had 320,000 beehives that produced an average annual crop of 8,600 tonnes of honey. These honeys cover a huge range of flavour types and properties. From mild to very strong flavoured, light to dark coloured, delicately perfumed to pungent, and even honeys with significant antibacterial properties.

While most commercially available honey is blended, monofloral honeys are especially valuable on the market. New Zealand is a major producer of several monofloral honeys: manuka, viper's bugloss, nodding thistle, kamahi, honeydew, tawari, rewarewa, and thyme. Another is rata (tree) honey, considered by many to be the best of New Zealand Honeys. It is white in colour, has a subtle, mild, yet rich and distinctive flavour — not overly sweet, almost salty.

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Honeydew
Instead of taking nectar, bees can take honeydew, which appears similar to honey and consists of the sweet secretions of aphids or other plant sap-sucking insects. Most important of these is the aphid Marchalina hellenica which feeds on the sap of the Turkish Pine. Honeydew from pine forests has a "piney" taste and is prized for medicinal use in Europe and Turkey. Bees collecting this resource have to be fed protein supplements, as honeydew lacks the protein-rich pollen accompaniment gathered from flowers.

In New Zealand honeydew nectar is produced from a small, scaled insect (Ultracoelostoma assimile) living in the bark of two of New Zealand's beech forests, mostly black beech (black from the sooty mould growing on the surplus nectar covering the trunks and branches) and, to a lesser extent, red beech. In the early morning sunlight, the droplets of nectar glisten like the morning dew, giving the name honeydew.

Germany's Black Forest is a well known source of honeydew-produced honeys.

Honeydew honey has a full aroma, is heady, almost pungent, and malty with a thick red amber color.

Honeydew has strong markets in some areas, but in many areas beekeepers are disappointed with a honeydew crop, as they are unable to market the stronger flavoured product. Honeydew has a much larger proportion of indigestibles than light honeys, which can cause dysentery resulting in the death of colonies in areas with cold winters. Good beekeeping management requires the removal of honeydew prior to winter in colder areas.

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Use of honey
The main uses of honey are in cooking, baking, spreading on bread or toast, and as an addition to various beverages such as tea. Because honey is hygroscopic (drawing moisture from the air), a small quantity of honey added to a pastry recipe will retard staling. Raw honey also contains enzymes that help in its digestion, several vitamins and antioxidants.

Honey is the main ingredient in the alcoholic beverage mead, which is also known as honey wine, and metheglin. It is also used as an adjunct in beer.

Honey is used in traditional folk medicine and apitherapy, and is an excellent natural preservative.

Most vegans consider honey to be an animal product and avoid using it, instead choosing sweetening alternatives such as golden syrup.

Without commercial beekeeping, large-scale fruit and vegetable farming and some of the seed industry would be incapable of sustaining themselves, since many crops are pollinated by migratory beekeepers who contract their bees for that purpose.

In ancient history, the Ancient Egyptian and Middle-Eastern peoples also used honey for embalming the dead. However, only rich and powerful people had the luxury of this type of funeral.

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Honey in culture and folklore
In many cultures, honey has associations that go far beyond its use as a food. In language and literature, religion and folk belief, honey is frequently a symbol or talisman for sweetness of every kind.

The Old Testament contains many references to honey as a symbol for all that is pleasant and desirable. For example, the book of Exodus famously describes the Promised Land as a 'land flowing with milk and honey' (33:3). There, however, the Hebrew devash probably refers to the sweet syrup produced from the juice of the grape and especially the date. In contrast, bees honey is referred to explicitly in The Book of Judges when Samson found a swarm of bees and honey in the carcass of a lion (14:8). So important is honey in Jewish tradition that some scholars believe an exception was made for it in the dietary laws: Many insects and their products are considered unclean, but honey is kosher. The word "honey" appears 61 times in the King James Version of the Bible. In Jewish Tradition honey is also a symbol for the new year – „Rosh Ha Shana“. At the traditional meal for that holiday apple slices are dipped into honey and eaten to bring a sweet new year. New Years greetings for Rosh Ha Shana very often show honey and an apple and symbolize so the feast of Rosh Ha Shana.

Honey plays an important role in the festival of Modhu Purnima, celebrated by Buddhists in India and Bangladesh. The day commemorates Buddha's making peace among his disciples by retreating into the wilderness. The story goes that while he was there, a monkey brought him honey to eat. On Modhu Purnima, Buddhists remember this act by giving honey to monks. The monkey's gift is frequently depicted in Buddhist art.

In some parts of Greece, it was formerly the custom for a bride to dip her fingers in honey and make the sign of the cross before entering her new home. This was meant to ensure sweetness in her married life, especially in her relationship with her mother-in-law.

In popular culture, bears are frequently depicted as eating honey, even though most bears actually eat a wide variety of foods, and bears seen at beehives are usually more interested in bee larvae than honey. Honey is sometimes sold in a bear-shaped jar. Teddy bears are almost invariably associated with honey, possibly because of the influence of Winnie-the-Pooh.

Many people believe that honey is more wholesome or healthy than refined sugar, although most nutritionists say that all sweeteners are pretty much alike. Honey-based sweets are often sold as health food.

'Honey,' along with variations like 'honey bun' and 'honeypot' and the contraction 'hon', has become a term of endearment in most of the English-speaking world. In some places it is used for loved ones; in others, such as the American South, it is used when addressing casual acquaintances or even strangers.

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Honey formation
Honey is laid down by bees as a food source. In cold weather or when food sources are scarce, bees use their stored honey as their source of energy. By contriving the bee swarm to make its home in a hive, mankind has been able to semi-domesticate the insects. In the hive there are three types of bee: the single queen bee, a seasonally variable number of drone bees to fertilize new queens and some 20,000 to 40,000 worker bees. The worker bees raise larvae and collect the nectar that will become honey in the hive. They go out, collect the sugar-rich flower nectar and return to the hive. As they leave the flower, bees release nasonov pheromones. These enable other bees to find their way to the site by smell. Honeybees also release nasonov pheromones at the entrance to the hive, which enables returning bees to return to the proper hive. In the hive the bees use their honey stomachs to ingest and regurgitate the nectar a number of times until it is partially digested. It is then stored in the honeycomb. Nectar is high in both water content and natural yeasts which, unchecked, would cause the sugars in the nectar to ferment. After the final regurgitation, the honeycomb is left unsealed - bees inside the hive "fan" their wings creating a strong draft across the honeycomb. This enhances evaporation of much of the water from the nectar. The reduction in water content, which raises the sugar concentration, prevents fermentation. Ripe honey, as removed from the hive by the beekeeper, has a long shelf life and will not ferment.

The beekeeper encourages overproduction of honey within the hive so that the excess can be taken without endangering the bees. When sources of foods for the bees are short the beekeeper may have to feed the bees other forms of sugar so they can survive.

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Medical uses for honey
For around 2000 years, Honey has been used to treat a variety of ailments through topical application, though it was not until modern times that the cause of infection was understood. Now, modern research into the use of honey as an antimicrobial agent has revealed potential treating a variety of ailments. Antibacterial properties of honey are the result of the low water activity causing osmosis, hydrogen peroxide effect[1], and high acidity[2].

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Osmotic effect
Honey is primarily a saturated mixture of two monosaccharides. This mixture has a low water activity; most of the water molecules are associated with the sugars and few remain available for microorganisms, so it is a poor environment for their growth.

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Hydrogen peroxide
Hydrogen peroxide in honey is activated by dilution. However, unlike medical hydrogen peroxide, commonly 3% by volume, it is present in a concentration of only 1 mmol/l in honey. Iron in honey oxidize the oxygen free radicals released by the hydrogen peroxide.

glucose + H2O + O2 → gluconic acid + H2O2
When used topically as, for example a wound dressing, hydrogen peroxide is produced by dilution with body fluids. As a result, hydrogen peroxide is released slowly and acts as an antiseptic. Unlike 3% medical hydrogen peroxide, this slow release does not cause damage to surrounding tissue.

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Acidity
The pH of honey is commonly between 3.2 and 4.5 [3]. This relatively acidic pH level prevents the growth of many bacteria responsible for infection.

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Medical applications
The most common use of honey as an anti-microbial agent used for dressing wounds, burns and skin ulcers. This application has a long history in traditional medicine. Additionally, the use of honey reduces odors, reduces swelling, and reduces scarring; it also prevents the dressing from sticking to the healing wound. [4]

Some claim that one drop of honey directly on the eye can treat mild forms of conjunctivitis[citation needed].

Though widely believed to alleviate allergies, local honey has been shown [5] to be no more effective than placebos in controlled studies. This may be due to the fact that most seasonal allergies are caused by tree and grass pollens, which honeybees do not collect.

Research has shown that the folk remedy of using honey to treat wounds is founded in science; it acts as an antiseptic/antibacterial agent.

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Honey and infants
Giving honey to infants can be hazardous because some infants can develop the disease known as infant botulism. This occurs because there is a natural bacteria in the honey which cannot be filtered out. The bacteria then produces a toxin, known as botulin, in the infant's intestines. After the infant has become more than a year old, the intestine has matured and the bacteria cannot grow. Even the honey in some processed foods can cause botulism. After an infant ingests this bacteria, the disease can occur within a few hours or even up to a week.

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Honey as a product
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Honey processing
Comb honey A popular honey product. The honey is sold still in the wax comb. Comb honey was once packaged by installing wooden framework in special supers, but this labor intensive method is dying, and being replaced by plastic rings or cartridges. After removal from the hive, a clear cover is usually fitted onto the cartridge so customers can see the product.
Raw honey Honey as it exists in the beehive or as obtained by extraction, settling or straining without adding heat. Raw honey contains some pollen and may contain small particles of wax. Local raw honey is sought after by allergy sufferers as the pollen impurities are thought to lessen the sensitivity to hay fever (see 'Medical Applications' above).
Chunk honey Honey packed in widemouth containers consisting of one or more pieces of comb honey surrounded by extracted liquid honey. This type is preferred in the US South.
Strained Honey or filtered honey Honey which has been passed through a mesh material to remove particulate material (pieces of wax, propolis, other defects) without removing pollen. Preferred by the health food trade - it has a cloudy appearance due to the included pollen, but it also tends to crystallize more quickly than ultrafiltered honey.
Ultrafiltered honey Honey processed by very fine filtration under high pressure to remove all extraneous solids and pollen grains. Ultrafiltered honey is very clear and has a longer shelf life, because it crystallizes more slowly. Preferred by the supermarket trade.
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Other descriptions
Blended honey A homogeneous mixture of two or more honeys differing in floral source, color, flavor, density or geographic origin.
Churned honey or cremed honey See whipped honey.
Crystallized honey Honey in which some of the glucose content has spontaneously crystallized from solution as the monohydrate. Also called "granulated honey."
Set honey All honey will eventually set or granulate and this process can be reversed by gently warming the honey to remelt it. Some honeys set naturally with large granules and taste a little like granulated sugar in honey. Others set like Royal Icing - very hard and unspreadable. To overcome this problem beekeepers will mix in a small amount of fine grained honey before it sets and then gently stir the honey to prematurely fix the setting before it becomes hard thereby producing a "soft set " honey.
Honey fondant See whipped honey.
Spun honey See whipped honey.
In addition, organic honey is honey produced, processed, and packaged in accordance with national regulations, and certified as such by some government body or an independent organic farming certification organization.
If you thank honey is bee vomit than you are  :cuckoo: :shake:


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Re: Honey = Bee Vomit. [Re: cybrbeast]
    #5806963 - 06/30/06 02:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well, though disgusting its not as nasty as this thing i saw on tv.

Now i dont exactly remember the juicy facts but the gist of it is that there is this animal that eat coffeebeans and then POOPS them out and the people actually take these...poopy beans and make them into cofee and say it taste loads better.

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Re: Honey = Bee Vomit. [Re: Liz]
    #5806965 - 06/30/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I just ate my first honeycomb a few days ago. It was waxy, and very sweet.


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Re: Honey = Bee Vomit. [Re: Rhysaboveit]
    #5806973 - 06/30/06 02:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

That coffee sells for about $400. lb
Did PETA put this out


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Re: Honey = Bee Vomit. [Re: Brainiac]
    #5806998 - 06/30/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Brainiac said:
That coffee sells for about $400. lb
Did PETA put this out





I love PETA, taste like chicken :tongue:


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Re: Honey = Bee Vomit. [Re: Liz]
    #5807005 - 06/30/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Most other animals are happy to eat our vomit. whats the big deal?


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Re: Honey = Bee Vomit. [Re: Colonel Kurtz Ph.D]
    #5807009 - 06/30/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Deepman said:
Yeah because the honey Europeans eat isn't delicious and it's made of praying mantises fecal matter :rolleyes:




I've never been to Europe, so I didn't know if Europeans ate honey or not - sorry, since I seem to haver offended you.

Dreamer, I guess my issue with it being vomit is that I, for one, do not enjoy the idea of eating vomit, whether is be humans vomit or insects vomit.  I'm never eating honey again.  :noway:


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Re: Honey = Bee Vomit. [Re: Liz]
    #5807011 - 06/30/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Liz, I'm surprized at you


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Re: Honey = Bee Vomit. [Re: goobler]
    #5807016 - 06/30/06 02:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Why are you surprised at me Goobler?


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Re: Honey = Bee Vomit. [Re: Liz]
    #5807018 - 06/30/06 02:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I thought you would know that....


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Re: Honey = Bee Vomit. [Re: goobler]
    #5807022 - 06/30/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I would have though I would know that as well. I'm usually pretty good about random knowledge like that. Somehow this one surpassed me!


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Re: Honey = Bee Vomit. [Re: Rhysaboveit]
    #5807023 - 06/30/06 02:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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Well, though disgusting its not as nasty as this thing i saw on tv.

Now i dont exactly remember the juicy facts but the gist of it is that there is this animal that eat coffeebeans and then POOPS them out and the people actually take these...poopy beans and make them into cofee and say it taste loads better.

NASTY



It's called Kopi Luwak and it's supposed to taste great due to the partial digestion done by the Civet cat. It should taste great at that price  :smirk:
http://www.animalcoffee.com/
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Re: Honey = Bee Vomit. [Re: Liz]
    #5807025 - 06/30/06 02:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

makes you think huh?

how many things you don't know that people think you know or you thought you knew

you might be missing out


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