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The 6 Levels of Salvia
    #5804763 - 06/29/06 09:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I understand that all people have different tolerance lvls and that we all react different to different drugs. I am simply asking for a basic rule of thumb in this question. I have tried both plain salvia leafs and also 10x. They felt alot except 10x obviously had a stronger effect. My question is this, does someone know of any websource that gives a summary of how each different strength of saliva will make you trip? Does anybody just have this knowledge and would be willing to share? Do you guys really think that salvia is the most potent hallucinogin?


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Re: The 6 Levels of Salvia [Re: jcasias]
    #5804775 - 06/29/06 09:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Definitely not the most potent. LSD would be the most potent, threshold effects at what, 25micrograms I believe? I think you mean level of intensity, and each drug has its own intense characteristics.


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Re: The 6 Levels of Salvia [Re: mellowrubberduck]
    #5804858 - 06/29/06 10:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It is said to be most potent "naturally occuring" drug found to date, but isn't lsd derived from ergot? huh.  And as far as intensity, DMT spanks it.
On the intensity I personally believe that wether you take 5x, 10x, 20x, 40x, etc. once you completely break through there is no difference in the effects, of course all depending on individual tolerance, some people just don't react to anything under 20x. Thats why they make different strength's, but the higher strengths are a waste of money once you learn your personal tolerance, which will slowly go down.
Now there are marked differences in oral and smoked effects, and in doses below needed for the full effect (i.e. smoking whole leaf), To be honest I have quite a low tolerance so I'm probably not the best person to give my opinion, but thats exactly what it is, my opinion, not fact, take it or leave it. :biggrin:


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Re: The 6 Levels of Salvia [Re: jcasias]
    #5805319 - 06/30/06 12:17 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

In the correct settings and correct technique and quality herb 5X can probably take you to all 6 levels. With 10X I usually enjoy 2 hits but 3 hits is way to much.


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Re: The 6 Levels of Salvia [Re: chris92346]
    #5805358 - 06/30/06 12:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

What would you guys say the best way to break through is? I have smoked pure leaf in a pipe and felt minor effects and i have also smoked one bowl of 10x (Salvia Zone) with the same small pipe with some effects as well. Is a bong critical when trying to break through?


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    #5805700 - 06/30/06 02:11 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: The 6 Levels of Salvia [Re: Lloyd313]
    #5805862 - 06/30/06 03:15 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I tried strong acid and salvia. At similar doses acid makes you trip and salvia launches you to other dimensions. I think that it's way more powerful then acid even if it needs a bit more micrograms to become noticeable. Maybe DMT is stronger then salvia but I never tried that one.

Each drug is unique but you can sense, for example that mescaline is more intense then acid, although it needs far more molecules to reach psychoactive levels.


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Re: The 6 Levels of Salvia [Re: jcasias]
    #5806088 - 06/30/06 06:02 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

jcasias said:
Is a bong critical when trying to break through?




Absolutely  :bongload:


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Re: The 6 Levels of Salvia [Re: Kras]
    #5806125 - 06/30/06 06:32 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

lsd is the king of all the psychedelics.
the more you take of any of them the more you get the effects up to level 6 (with dmt, you can injure yourself if you take more than level 6 requires so do be careful, with lsd and salvinorin you could just sleep it off and live with likely embarassments).

from lsd
an average person will get a sustained salvia level 4
from ~150 mics of lsd lasting 3 out of the 12 hour long lsd session.

from salvia
an average person will get a sustained salvia level 4
from ~450 mics of quickly smoked salvinorin lasting 3 out of a total 20 minutes that a smoked salvia session lasts.

from dmt
an average person will get a sustained salvia level 4
from ~35000 mics of smoked DMT lasting 3 out of a total 20 minutes of asmoked DMT session.

the salvia and dmt sessions have simmilar duration and sudden intensity though from vastly different active ingeredient amounts.

the dmt and lsd session have more simmilar kinds of combinations of effects due to emphasis on the serotonin pathways (generally a more pleasurable group of signals to sustain - consider how many people use happy pills "ssri's")

the salvia effects are less restricted to serotonin pathways, however, and may also include many odd body sensations that are not normal to lsd or dmt, such as heat and prickling.
the toxicity of salvinorin and lsd are simmilarly very low.

comparing these psychedelics seems strange because we are dealing with different overall time durations, and onset shock (i.e reactions to sudden vs gradual strangeness), different total amounts, and different concommitent factors (such as salvia tingle) however all 3 are really very psychedellic and very impressive.

all 3 can be driven over the rough terrains of level 5 right into the absolute memory loss of level 6 by increasing dosage.

I personally do not mind hazarding into level 5 by oversizing dosage once in a while, but I do dread level 6 and try to remain moderate in the amount of salvia I take (have asitter nearby in case of error).

getting the hang of imbing salvinorin products can be difficult as it is not like other chemistries we normally indulge in:
it is more in the family of hard waxes, while lsd is instantly soluble, and DMT is easilly dissolved in body fluids.

when inhaled - one must hold the substance in as long as possible to get the most effect (whatever it is). Since marijuana has become so potent, people tend to smoke it casually, holding in a tiny bit can make you very stoned, so I note that the high consumption marijuana macho types tend to smoke and exhale leaking substance like exotic debonaire dragons, and this style of inhallation is not suitable for the more radical effects of salvia and dmt.


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Re: The 6 Levels of Salvia [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5806162 - 06/30/06 07:08 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

amazed no one has posted the 6 levels yet... post later if i have time


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Re: The 6 Levels of Salvia [Re: kotik]
    #5806211 - 06/30/06 07:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Level 6 is amnesia so there is nothing interesting to post. I didn't found LSD as interesting as natural hallucinogens, like mushrooms or salvia. It is far more artificial and without its own, unique guiding spirit. It's like magnifying glass without any supervisor. Anyone has different experiences?

Salvia is special with its intense and real-like effects on BODY. Even really strong acid don't do that. That's why it's the only plant that is labeled "atypical psychedelic" on Erowid.

EDIT: Added lacking word "BODY"


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Re: The 6 Levels of Salvia [Re: Kras]
    #5806527 - 06/30/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

...supervisor(?)
send all unwanted artificial lsd directly to me for private supervision:
I got just the supervisor that is required for it.
yup
got a handy little supervisor right here...
I can supervise it right back to nature right & properly.


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Re: The 6 Levels of Salvia [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5806650 - 06/30/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I mean the spirit of LSD. There is no such thing. Mushrooms, Salvia, Cacti and have it for sure but not famous LSD. Many my friends has this same point of view. Everyone psychonaut that I know says that LSD trip is the easiest to handle.

I eat many artificial things. LSD is not an exception.


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Re: The 6 Levels of Salvia [Re: Kras]
    #5806799 - 06/30/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

probably easy because it is not in any way toxic to the body which is the main source of signals to the brain.
probably not because there are more or less potential entities.
(which may or may not be translated as spirits or gods or daemons)
it is just as prone to this pedigree error as chemicals from nature's bounty. I would say that the ancient concepts are not better, just more often repeated. (how long was the world flat?)
lsd comes with a few new ideas
and the people of yore never knew about it so
try not to discount it - it is clean and yummy and
older than I am
which makes it a full adult at this time.


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    #5807098 - 06/30/06 03:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: The 6 Levels of Salvia [Re: Lloyd313]
    #5807141 - 06/30/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It's relitively new and hard to find, but look at Bromo-Dragonfly. It's another man made psy.


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Re: The 6 Levels of Salvia [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5807384 - 06/30/06 05:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I don't discount it. I had intense acid-visions. They are very special. Still it losses its spiritual potency over time. Spirits of natural hallucinogens are like living beings - they will always surprise you with something new. I think...

In Poland LSD is very rare and often quite week. I haven't heard about it for months!


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