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MasFina
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It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip
#5801568 - 06/29/06 12:30 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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My good friend is a lot like me and the most intelligent person I know, but for some reason I can't talk him into tripping. I know your not supposed to peer pressure anyone, but I know he can handle it and probably love it. I think he just has that stupid, society instilled, unfounded bias against hallucinogens that the government and media has scared into everyone with horror stories and lies. I've had several friends in the past that used to never touch anything but alcohol, but then once they tried some different things they realized how stupid they used to think about it. Why is it so hard to break this misconceptions?
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: MasFina]
#5801601 - 06/29/06 12:39 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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He'll come around, give him time.
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: MasFina]
#5801608 - 06/29/06 12:41 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I know what you mean... I too used to be the same way, then when I matured and started thinking for myself I realized my opinions changed about alot of things... give it some time, link your friend to these boards, I started smoking more weed when I found everyonedoesit.co.uk, and after lurking around on shroomery tried shrooms as well...
Let us know if he's up for it after a while.
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Iamthewalrus
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: Acyl]
#5801611 - 06/29/06 12:41 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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u can't force it...give him the information to read for himself...if hes intelligent he'll figure it out
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Iamthewalrus
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: Iamthewalrus]
#5801617 - 06/29/06 12:44 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lsd
let him read that since lsd is where most of the bias of hallucinogens are based
most of the info is very good(tho I know nothing about the mind control shit but I wouldn't doubt it...I know they tested on british troops cause I have the video)
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Iamthewalrus
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: Iamthewalrus]
#5801622 - 06/29/06 12:45 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Cold War era intelligence services were keenly interested in the possibilities of using LSD for interrogation and mind control, and also for large-scale social engineering. The CIA conducted extensive research on LSD, which was mostly destroyed.[4] Project MKULTRA (also known as MK-ULTRA) was the code name for a CIA mind-control research program begun in the 1950s and continued until the late 1960s. There is much published evidence that the project involved not only the use of drugs to manipulate persons, but also the use of electronic signals to alter brain functioning; for details, see the MKULTRA article proper.
The British government also indulged in LSD testing; in 1953 and 1954, scientists working for MI6 dosed servicemen in an effort to find a "truth drug". (In all probability, MI6 was motivated by rumors that the Soviet Union had developed brainwashing drugs.) The test subjects were not informed that they were being given LSD, and had in fact been told that they were participating in a medical project to find a cure for the common cold. One subject, aged 19 at the time, reported seeing "walls melting, cracks appearing in people's faces ... eyes would run down cheeks, Salvador DalĂ-type faces ... a flower would turn into a slug". After keeping the trials secret for many years, MI6 agreed in 2006 to pay the former test subjects financial compensation. Like the CIA, MI6 decided that LSD was not a practical drug for brainwashing purposes.[5]"
this is VERY diturbing to me but I have no idea how accurate that info is(tho I can only assume its real since they are not a drug based site and because the other info is so right on the money)
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MasFina
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: Iamthewalrus]
#5801640 - 06/29/06 12:52 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hell yeah it's real, I've heard about this from different places. It's what that movie Jacob's Ladder is based on. A good, and freaky, movie I might add.
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: MasFina]
#5801652 - 06/29/06 12:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would try to get him to try something legal, that might get rid of the legality issue, preferably Salvia. sagewisdom.com/usersguide.html is a great site that you should let him check out, dude, this site even got my mom to be cool with me using salvia (yes i am 18)
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MasFina
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: jcasias]
#5801658 - 06/29/06 12:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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He's not that paranoid. He keeps saying, "what about the guy who jumps off a building and thinks he can fly?" Then I'm like, "he was an asshole."
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Iamthewalrus
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: MasFina]
#5801686 - 06/29/06 01:05 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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MasFina said: Hell yeah it's real, I've heard about this from different places. It's what that movie Jacob's Ladder is based on. A good, and freaky, movie I might add.
I never saw that movie...hmmm hopefully theres a divx
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Iamthewalrus
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: Iamthewalrus]
#5801687 - 06/29/06 01:06 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I honestly think the lsd entry on wiki should be stickied at this point...theres a lot of good accurate info in it and a lot of ppl ask lsd questions it seems
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kotik
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: MasFina]
#5801694 - 06/29/06 01:10 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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My good friend is a lot like me and the most intelligent person I know, but for some reason I can't talk him into tripping.
i think your statement answers itself... if he's that smart, you wont talk him into anything. not everyone needs to trip in order to gain insight.
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Torrid
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: kotik]
#5801707 - 06/29/06 01:16 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Explain to him the importance of set and setting. A person who has obeys the simple set and setting rules is not going to put themselves at risk of being harmed.
Have him read this, too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsible_Drug_User's_Oath
All in all, it's not about "convincing" him to do it. Explain how you feel about psychedelics, and give him access to reliable information. He can decide from there. Psychedelics aren't for everybody.
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MasFina
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: Torrid]
#5801729 - 06/29/06 01:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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my whole argumnent is this: The potential benefits far outweigh the potential risks.
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MasFina
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: MasFina]
#5801733 - 06/29/06 01:29 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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holy shit, john butler's "ocean" is the most amazing song ever played on a guitar.
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: MasFina]
#5801816 - 06/29/06 01:55 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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life is the trip use what you learned in the looking glass world. i.e. to invite, back off. to go right, turn left. make space for him to be his own way. you both are already on the otherside.
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: redgreenvines]
#5802104 - 06/29/06 03:42 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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If he doesn't want to he doesn't want to. He really has to be open to them, not just like "hey I'll take these cause my friend is". If he has a lot of reluctance when taking them, he will increase his likelihood for a bad trip.
In my opinion, I'd talk about them occasionally until curiosity bites him. That's how I got into everything. I was a straight edge till curiosity got me. But people pressuring me to do it made me not want to.
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: Iamthewalrus]
#5803018 - 06/29/06 12:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Iamthewalrus said: Like the CIA, MI6 decided that LSD was not a practical drug for brainwashing purposes.[5]"
I don't think that brainwashing is the right term, but LSD and psychedelics in general break down, tear away a lot of the facades in society and allow conceptions to be built up again. In Helter Skelter, the book about Charles Manson, it seems to me that this is basically what he did. He broke down his followers preconceptions and got them to go along with what he was doing. LSD was a big part of what he was doing. I wonder if James Jones had any LSD in his kool-aid...
as Bob Dylan put it:
"How does it feel To be without a home Like a complete unknown Like a rolling stone?"
The psychedelic experience is valued by any that have seen the light it can bring into the world, but it can also be exploited. Any thoughts on what I've said?
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: MasFina]
#5803530 - 06/29/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Leave your friend alone if he says no man...
If you're afraid he's ignorant, educate him. If you think he has misconceptions, ask for his point of view.
Don't try and push him into psychedelics... they're not for everyone...
How great would you feel if your LSD he made his fears come true?
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Rhysaboveit
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: MasFina]
#5803603 - 06/29/06 03:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The more you push him, the more he will reject it. Like everyone has said, give him the info and let him choose for himself.
He wont reap the benefits of psychedelic use if he is only doing it because you told him too. He has to be open to it.
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: MasFina]
#5803613 - 06/29/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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My girlfriend is my best friend in this world and she doesn't ever want to trip anymore. It's a bummer but I just wait patiently, and never try to pressure her, though she knows I would love to trip with her again anytime.
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: MasFina]
#5803830 - 06/29/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Other stuff to have your friend read:
Food of the Gods
Entheogens and the Future of Religion
MAPS.org lists some studies that are being done to use psilocybin in the treatment of cluster headaches and OCD among other things.
These should at least get your friend thinking and considering the possibility.
Good luck to you!
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MasFina
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: shaman2b]
#5804611 - 06/29/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, I've had him read the shroomery Trippers FAQ and given him my take on it all so I'm gonna leave him alone about it. I never tried to pressure him, we just talked about it. After I said all there is to say I left it at that. It's up to him now.
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Iamthewalrus
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: MasFina]
#5804617 - 06/29/06 08:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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dude seriously let him read the acid entry on wikipedia...its a non drug based site with LOTS of excellent info...and lsd is most likely where his bias is rooted...I'm not saying try to persuade him to use it...but at least show him the good info
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: Iamthewalrus]
#5804661 - 06/29/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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If he's intelligent just let him come around on his own. Just explain that you know he's intelligent enough to handle the seriousness of the experience (and thus not go running around jumping off buildings or slamming your head into walls). Tell him you think he would gain a lot from the experience as you have (this may spark a few questions, the first way to get the thought in his head) but ultimately it's his choice. While there are risks, a responsible person can avoid them, like with sports and well... most things... But yeah, just let him come around in his own time, just make it clear why you would like him to trip so he has something to think about
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mikeownow
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: StickyWater]
#5805103 - 06/29/06 11:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Duh clearly man you need to go to the store and buy the toughest rope there. Then tell your friend to sit in this chair and tell him your gonna watch a scarie movie in the dark. Turn of the lights and tie him up. Then shove 3 grams into his mouth.
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MasFina
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Re: It sucks when your good friend doesn't want to trip [Re: mikeownow]
#5806552 - 06/30/06 11:07 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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