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1984 & Brave New World: Their future compared to our current world
    #5801235 - 06/28/06 11:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hello, I was just pondering about both Brave New World and 1984, both which I have recently discovered (from Daniel Pinchbeck's great book, "Breaking Open the Head") and recently finished. Both books were not cience fiction, but predictions of what the future may develop into because of us, and were actually meant to be warnings. Todays society seems to be a subtle version of both the 1984 dystopian society, and Brave New World's, more delusional utopian society. I was just wondering  what some fellow shroomery members thought about these books, and what meaning or importance they reveal upon current or past history.  :dogpile: ( Bokanovsky Process )
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Re: 1984 & Brave New World: Their future compared to our current world [Re: DinahTheCat]
    #5803213 - 06/29/06 01:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You guys got some cool responses!  :naughty:


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Re: 1984 & Brave New World: Their future compared to our current world [Re: DinahTheCat]
    #5803429 - 06/29/06 02:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Soma = TV + fast food  :grin:

I agree that there are elements of the futuristic societies in both books which are present in current society.  Neither author was really going out on a limb at the time they wrote their books, though, as the elements were already present at publication time (though in less-developed form).

Television has certainly taken over our culture in a manner similar to the society portrayed in "Fahrenheit 451."  We may not be burning all books, but we have definitely taken on the "home theater" as a sign of success.  :tongue:


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Re: 1984 & Brave New World: Their future compared to our current world [Re: DinahTheCat]
    #5804050 - 06/29/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I have still to read Brave New World.

It's hard NOT to see similarities between 1984 and what's been going on recently on the political front.


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Re: 1984 & Brave New World: Their future compared to our current world [Re: Veritas]
    #5805199 - 06/29/06 11:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Soma = TV + fast food  :grin:




I think Television represents the sociatal conditioning of Brave New World even more than the Soma. While TV may not go as far as shocking factory workers when they look outdoors, I think many people use TV and movies to unrealistically base the idea of what their lives should be like. All that dramatic romance bullshit... you know the stuff!

I once slept with a bipolar girl who was excredibly Hollywood-fixated (and phallic-retentive :wink:). What this gal thought her life should be similar to and what most peoples lives are actually like seemed incredibly different. It was like sleeping with a fiction character! (She would benefit grrrreatly from REBT.)

But, I'm not Telephobic. I enjoy watching Television (especially Adult Swim), but I don't expect my life to be similar in any way to the lives of fictional characters, with the exception of Pee Wee Herman.


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Re: 1984 & Brave New World: Their future compared to our current world [Re: DinahTheCat]
    #5805214 - 06/29/06 11:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Osama bin Laden == Goldstein...?

I don't think Osama bin Laden is actually a character made-up to encourage nationalism, but he seems to be used in the same way Goldstein was in 1984.


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Re: 1984 & Brave New World: Their future compared to our current world [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5806569 - 06/30/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

This is why they call it "television programming"!  :grin:

What I was referring to was the general numbing & semi-consciousness induced by a large (SUPER SIZE!) fast food meal and several hours of TV watching. 

I walk by houses at night & see the tell-tale blue flicker of the hypnotic lulling device in their living room.  Ahhhh...peace.  No worries about revolutions once all the citizens are dosed with their Biggie Fries and Prime Time TV shows!  :tongue:

Many people seem to be afraid of being alive.


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Re: 1984 & Brave New World: Their future compared to our current world [Re: DinahTheCat]
    #5807204 - 06/30/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I would say something but Big Brother is watching.  :shocked:


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Re: 1984 & Brave New World: Their future compared to our current world [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5807266 - 06/30/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

That thought struck me at the same time i finished that part when orwell describes the "2 minutes of hate"; We are yet to find him, we say we have searched in an inquisitional manner for him. (in caves?) We show radical videos of him stating his terrorizing manner, and i can only assume that our government/media intends the best and most unbias views on the truthful events that define history, which seem to shift themselves around somehow.
I think im about ready to go on a "vacation"(soma trip) now, since i cant stand my stressful life of working extra hours to make more money to buy more shit.


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Re: 1984 & Brave New World: Their future compared to our current world [Re: DinahTheCat]
    #5807274 - 06/30/06 04:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well according to the Thought Police, LunarEclipse, you dont even have to put it down on paper for it to be a crime, the whole act of thinking about it is a thoughtcrime inselve.


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Re: 1984 & Brave New World: Their future compared to our current world [Re: DinahTheCat]
    #5822038 - 07/05/06 12:05 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

victory cigarette anyone?


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Re: 1984 & Brave New World: Their future compared to our current world [Re: 8374837]
    #5823865 - 07/05/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Terence Mckenna said that the only difference between 1984 and now, is that we have nicer clothes.


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Re: 1984 & Brave New World: Their future compared to our current world [Re: 8374837]
    #5829519 - 07/06/06 09:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I dont smoke number dude, but ill take a glass of some victory gin


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Re: 1984 & Brave New World: Their future compared to our current world [Re: 8374837]
    #5829523 - 07/06/06 09:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

freedom is slavery where capitialism and materialism strives


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Re: 1984 & Brave New World: Their future compared to our current world [Re: DinahTheCat]
    #5830361 - 07/07/06 01:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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My flesh is about to burst.

Slavery is freedom. Yeah. And the other way around, yeah.

Both are concepts invented by the state & television to intemplate the idea that your life as of now is not good enough, and you need more money to make it better. Remember to watch your back, lock your house and don't talk to strangers. And food doesn't grow naturally upon the planet, it is a human patented invention which you need to pay your hard earned money for. If you want to eat, you'll have to work. If you want to work, you'll have to eat. If you want to be numb enough to work, you need coffee. If you need coffee, you need money. If you need anything at all, you need more. If you need more, you need anything at all. If everyone is free, nobody is free.

I'll stop there.


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Re: 1984 & Brave New World: Their future compared to our current world [Re: slaphappy]
    #5832388 - 07/07/06 03:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

first of all, calm down.

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Both are concepts invented by the state & television to intemplate the idea that your life as of now is not good enough, and you need more money to make it better.





I disagree.  its not MONEY that makes life better (better being a very subjective term), its the things that money can be exchanged for.  Whether you work for food, or work for money, to then buy food, it's the same effect.  Are you trying to say that in a capitalist society (which I assume you live in) money does not make life easier?  remember, we are not talking about living on Mount Wudang studying with monks, but sitting wherever you are, paying for the electric, a/c, internet, computer, shoes, etc.

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Remember to watch your back, lock your house and don't talk to strangers.




correct.  watch your back, because who else will?  (and if someone will, why shouldn't you be able to watch your own back?  ignorance is bliss?)

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And food doesn't grow naturally upon the planet, it is a human patented invention which you need to pay your hard earned money for.




as far as I know, its not illegal to walk your ass to home depot and buy any kinds of seeds you want, go plant them in your yard and harvest and eat them when the time comes.  however, if you find its not as easy as it sounds, you may consider using currency to give to someone for their hard work putting out quality food, enabling them to go out and buy clothes, or whatever.  or would you rather make your own clothes, and then trade them to a farmer for food?

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If you want to eat, you'll have to work.




correct.  whether or not money is involved, this is correct.  the same is true for plants and animals.  plants have to "work" to get food.  its called photosynthesis.  this type of thing is taught in grade schools here in the united states.

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If you want to work, you'll have to eat.




incorrect.  in fact, the human body/mind can actually be put under heavy physical stress for 96 hours with minimal food and water, and without any sleep.  anything beyond 96 hours (72 in some cases) is dangerous, but during that time frame, you don't HAVE to eat.  In fact, many people less fortunate than us (considering we are on the internet) do work with out eating for days at a time.

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If you want to be numb enough to work, you need coffee. If you need coffee, you need money.




sounds like you are just complaining now.  how about quitting the job you obviously hate, and getting into a field that you enjoy, or is that also too much work?

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If you need anything at all, you need more. If you need more, you need anything at all.




You make no sense, you make no cents.  You make cents, you make sense.  At this point logic seems to be hazy...

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If everyone is free, nobody is free.  I'll stop there.




:eek:  a nugget of insight after all of that BS?  i almost feel like i havent wasted the last 5 minutes.  at least you know how to quit on a good note.


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Re: 1984 & Brave New World: Their future compared to our current world [Re: kotik]
    #5833011 - 07/07/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Too many quotes ! ahhh! :discodance:


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