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Zeramski
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Preparing Amanitas...
#5798987 - 06/28/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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So I just got ahold of some Amanitas. I've read online that you can cook them in order to lessen their nausea-inducing qualities, but will this lessen the trip as well? If that's the case, will smoking weed be enough to not make me feel intensely sick? (I'm new to amanitas and have only shroomed 4 times total).
Also, how strong is the trip if I ingest the standard 5g? I have about 9g, but have heard that 5 is good for the first time. Take into account that I have 100% caps, no stems whatsoever. Will it take more than 5g to experience good visuals?
And finally, as for the cooking method itself. Can someone outline this in detail and/or link me to somewhere that does? Thanks in advance!
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mightyjoepipe
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Re: Preparing Amanitas... [Re: Zeramski]
#5799024 - 06/28/06 11:24 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Will it take more than 5g to experience good visuals?
you wont get any visuals at all even if it was only the skin of the caps or just caps fresh or dryed!!! my first time i puked at about 10grams dry , no visuals but did feal kinda drunk and unbalanced but if your like me and want a full out trip with amanitas i take about 10-25grams dry....for visuals its more like dilusions not hallucinations!!! might get some twisting patterns on the flor tiles but other than that smoke a joint 30minutes after ingesting these mushrooms and strongly recomended to smoke a bowl after the mushrooms start to wear off a bit....youll know when its time since if your walking around it will be noticable to you and others.5grams wont do anything nonethe less heres a reci(pee).
Preparation of Amanita muscaria This method is not something simply read from a book and passed along. It is a tried and true method (by myself an many others). This wonderful carpophore has a oddly dangerous "taboo" surrounding it which is undeserved. Granted, it does contain some toxins. These have been HIGHLY overemphasized, *PLUS* there has been a great deal of misinformation about this mushroom (and its species cousins.). This is due to a number of reasons which I will try to make clear here.
First; the procedure. Make sure the cap to stem ratio is kept about 3:1, the same as it is found per mushroom in the natural state. Dry on screen in the oven on the lowest setting with door cracked open. This only takes an hour or so at most. Render into a powder in a small electric coffee or spice grinder/mill; the finer the better. I try to attain a powder size like baking powder and certainly finer than coffee. This WILL NOT affect the activity of the end product, it only makes ingestion more difficult. Use around 1 cup water per dose and start with a bit more than this to allow for evaporation during processing. The lower end dose/person is 8 grams dried and the upper end is 15 to 20 grams dried. What follows is the most important part of the entire ritual of preparation. Bring the water up to within a few degrees of 190 degrees (F). Use a high quality candy thermometer or better yet, a lab thermometer. This temperature shouldn't vary more than 22 degrees on the upper end. A little simmering won't kill it, but it is an indication that one has reached at least 212. You'll find stirring lowers the temperature very quickly, but it's best to keep a close eye on things throughout. Once 190 has been reached, stir in the powered material and leave to steep at least 30 minutes. I usually leave it there for at least 1/2 hour to 3/4 hour, stirring frequently.
Allow to cool until warm enough to drink. That's all there is to it!
The active principle in Amanita muscaria was, until quite recently, thought to be muscarine. Dr. Albert Hofmann and Dr. Richard Schultes have discovered, in tandem with Dr. Eugster in Switzerland and Dr. Takemoto in Japan, MAINLY ibotenic acid and muscimole as the active principles. The ibotenic acid fraction is converted, via the refluxing in water, into muscimole. Inconsequential amounts of other alkaloids ARE present, but largely inactive mentally.
Muscarine is also present in this mushroom in tiny amounts and is converted to muscimole during the reflux as well. It remains intact in the raw mushroom, however!
Part of the reasons behind the medical misinformation surrounding Amanita muscaria is due to the fact that many people who have presented to physicians with stated "mushroom poisoning" were generally thought to have ingested A. phalloides. They then usually promptly administer atropine, which would be fine if one HAD INDEED ingested this toxic mushroom. But it only exacerbates toxic effects of the raw Amanita muscaria several hundred fold, sometimes resulting in the death of the patient (and this only infrequently..) Known deaths recorded from it are rare. These have usually been children who ate HUGE amounts of the RAW mushroom. One child died only after eating almost two dozen large raw specimens.
Abstain from ALL OTHER drugs for 24 hours previous to ingestion, with the exception of sativa/indica or tobacco. Likewise during the entire experience and 8 or so after. From 1/2 to 1 1/2 hours after ingestion (preferably on an empty stomach) you will begin to get drowsy. You may notice (on higher doses), slightly blurred vision, watery eyes and/or a bit of a runny nose. One will begin to feel increasingly relaxed. At this point it is important to lie down in a area where you will not be disturbed and sleep.
This stage is critical. I find a alchemical analogy of the body, in this case being the alembic, in which the crude product is transformed into the purest soma. Dreaming can be EXTREMELY intense, and sometimes the transition from dreaming to what seems a clear and lucid dream upon awakening presents itself. Awakening and arising is like a caterpillar metamorphosing into a butterfly. This is not like anything else.
It is most certainly NOT like psilocybin! The more you become familiar with the glorious qualities, the better the symbiosis between the two of you will be. Superior pain relief, floating euphoria, effortless movement and general feelIngs of peace and well beIng. Another thing I noticed is the almost complete and effortless quieting of the "internal chatter" inside my mind. My friend, Triple Six, and I both agreed that it lends itself perfectly to long periods of meditation. These are all at the 8 to 10 gram level.
Above that (which one should have a non-ingesting guide; but I suppose if I need to be telling anybody that, they shouldn't even be contemplating this anyway) one may experience out-of-body experiences, seeing and communicating with preternatural entities, unity with the object of ones attention, ESP, feelings of flying and many differing types of ecstasy.
Today, this mushroom is totally legal. Don't frivolously abuse it, and it will probably remain that way. It is unique in that it doesn't lend itself to abuse by ignorant, impulsive, impatient and/or irresponsible people. It seems to have a built in safeguard in that it requires the user to follow a few more rules and attend to more detail in order to achieve success. If not used correctly, it screens out others by making them so sick, they are in no hurry to repeat the experience. Used incorrectly, it is uncomfortable at best and dangerous at worst.
Used correctly, it is pleasurable at its worst and limitlessly creative, intensely ecstatic, universally beneficial and incredibly healing at its best!
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Kras


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Once I used 3 dried caps and I almost felt nothing. I was smoking hash so I can't be sure if I felt anything. I dried my Amanitas in the in oven until they are completely dry. Then I've poured them with boiled water. I've read above recipe but maybe my method is good enough? Anyone?
I consider leaving Amanitas to dry in the Sun for a day or two if it's cloudless, summertime. Do you think that it's quite safe? How much dried medium-sized caps (without stems and gills) do I need to eat? Should I pick older or younger mushrooms? THANKS!
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mightyjoepipe
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Re: Preparing Amanitas... [Re: Kras]
#5802425 - 06/29/06 08:25 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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usually drying in the sun is a good alternative....a day at most is good...advice is to tap the cap a couple times to rop spores if you want more shrooms next year since you probrably picked them all right? lol, you only risk gnats...(magots) if dryed in the un but this doesnt happen often and yeah it safe as long as you dont have a bunch dying in front of your house were everyone can se them sinc this leads to questons!younger amanitas are reporte to contain more muscimol and ibotenic acid which is good.(The little round ones before they expand to flat.) dyed caps iif you dont have a digi then 10 caps is good and you can increase the amount if neccesary next time
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johnjohnandjamal
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That is a good method. Ive used it with great success.
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mightyjoepipe
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just to clarify one thing on my last post ....10 dryed aps is a little much for must of you so if one caps weighs lets say 5 grams then 10 is way too much but it realy depends on how big they are kinda and how much a person can take...5-10caps is my recommended dose!!!
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Desert Elf


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Very in-depth instructions there. Thanks.
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flickedbic
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Re: Preparing Amanitas... [Re: Desert Elf]
#15078195 - 09/14/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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D.E.: Bringing s back is sort of frowned upon at times.
This is really good info from mjp however : It reminds me of the "Soma shamans" videos' prep.... I think they added a few grams Vitamin C to a jug of tea to increase shelf life some months; and froze it for a year or two.
  Blessings.
-------------------- Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order: 1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine 2)Amanita (urine drank twice) 3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose) 4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators) 5)Salvia (need to try quid)
All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
Edited by flickedbic (09/14/11 01:23 PM)
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Re: Preparing Amanitas... [Re: flickedbic]
#15078474 - 09/14/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Amanita use is nothing like pysilocybe mushroom use... Would not call it a trip even You will probably be disappointed.... Just letting you know
You cook or dry them to convert the poisons in them to less toxic ones, not to reduce nausea
Plenty of good info on line.
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Re: Preparing Amanitas... [Re: flickedbic]
#15078552 - 09/14/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah cheers. I found some A.M today and rather than posting a new thread I just checked out the old ones for advice. Felt the need to say thnks. Guess we can just let this sink away now.......
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flickedbic
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Re: Preparing Amanitas... [Re: Desert Elf]
#15078881 - 09/14/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Used correctly, it is pleasurable at its worst and limitlessly creative, intensely ecstatic, universally beneficial and incredibly healing at its best!
THIS in my dogs experience... in fact my dog might say he had the most intense trip of his life beyond a couple hits of LSD (not visually of course; but instead of feeling his brain fuck itself like on LSD; he felt the universe make love to his brain and vice-versa) or 3.5g the little ones... but that experience was with traditional re-consumption several times of several fresh-picked caps.
Anyways: it is like mjp says; this mushroom
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is unique in that it doesn't lend itself to abuse by ignorant, impulsive, impatient and/or irresponsible people. It seems to have a built in safeguard in that it requires the user to follow a few more rules and attend to more detail in order to achieve success. If not used correctly, it screens out others by making them so sick, they are in no hurry to repeat the experience. Used incorrectly, it is uncomfortable at best and dangerous at worst.
Blessings.
-------------------- Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order: 1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine 2)Amanita (urine drank twice) 3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose) 4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators) 5)Salvia (need to try quid)
All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
Edited by flickedbic (09/14/11 04:16 PM)
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