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OfflineOldWoodSpecter
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Re: Evidence of soul and afterlife [Re: Icelander]
    #5793503 - 06/26/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Icelander said:
But you are not willing to grovel dude.  :evil:




maybe there's some truth in that :smile:


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Re: Evidence of soul and afterlife [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5794656 - 06/27/06 01:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm an asshole.

Anyway...

What the hell is up with "evidence" these days? Did anyone ever prove that evidence proves anything, and what the fuck is this virus going around making people think that they think when they really just negate shit for the purpose of being fucking knowitalls?

Like we all don't know that we all are n-e-r-d-s with absolutely nothing to lean on but ourselves and the substances we use to induce psychosis which leads us to the righteous path of meditating - or SITTING AROUND DOING NOTHING, as I like to call it.

Way to go proving something for the sake of something.

What the fuck is wrong with my mood today?

I get so uptight and downright angry whenever anyone tries to imply that there is any sort of consistency in anything, and that any way is the only way or a way at all.

This is the closest thing to truth, yet. This is such utter bullshit, and so filled with subjective emotions that it has close to no meaning at all. Am I a fucking dadaist, or what the fuck!?

I need to find an ideal. Next week I'm going to be a fucking fascist. Today I'm a rebel teenager, taking my bottled up (irrational) anger out on random forum posters.

I lost my train of ... whatever.

edit: Ontopic: Evidence for afterlife would look like slymer in ghostbusters.  :evil:


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Edited by slaphappy (06/27/06 01:13 AM)

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Re: Evidence of soul and afterlife [Re: slaphappy]
    #5795028 - 06/27/06 07:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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slaphappy said:
I get so uptight and downright angry whenever anyone tries to imply that there is any sort of consistency in anything, and that any way is the only way or a way at all.




I'd recommend developing as an individual, then. :wink:

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Re: Evidence of soul and afterlife [Re: Diploid]
    #5795711 - 06/27/06 12:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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God didn't want his presence forced upon us

This may be, but I think that if God was anything other than a  flaming asshole, He would at least verifiably show himself to EVERYONE who seeks Him with good intentions.

Me, for example.




And there's your problem right there, for God is Love, not an asshole. :smirk:

And you can't call God and expect him to come right away as if he were a Saint Bernard, either.

It's usually people's bad attitudes that prevent them from finding God right away, especially when they try to test God. Nevertheless, seek and ye shall find, it's just going to be on God's terms, not yours. Peace.  :cool:


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Re: Evidence of soul and afterlife [Re: Icelander]
    #5795726 - 06/27/06 12:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Icelander said:
But you are not willing to grovel dude.  :evil:




It's not groveling which is required, it's a willingness to begin Loving.

Don't confuse what spews forth from modern church people as the voice of God.


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Re: Evidence of soul and afterlife [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5795832 - 06/27/06 01:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
But you are not willing to grovel dude.  :evil:




maybe there's some truth in that :smile:



The truth of that lies in the statement of Microcosmatrix, who said, G*d wouldn't force his existence to the knowledge of humans (or similar).
That made very much sense to me and a good point to consider. It lets explode the scientific concept into some totally different context. I like that very much and it resonates very well with all that I have experienced about that question.

But about the 'prove to exist' thing, I am totally on your side. Both sides are a step on faith, whether you believe in, or not believe in. You did very very well formulations ! And I agree with them wholeheartedly. I think, the Occams Razor Game is not a good game for the experience of humans. Perhaps for those, who are in problems from 'overleaning' too heavily to the 'spiritual' side and are in danger to loose the ground of their physical and provable 'existence' under their feet...

Very interesting thread. Seems old, but is still very relevant.
:thumbup:

Ps:Sorry for bad wording...


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Re: Evidence of soul and afterlife [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5795844 - 06/27/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Indeed. And an attempt to "prove the existance of God" is also an attempt to reduce the creator of the universe to the status of a lab rat.

He doesn't allow that.

Seeking him for a personal relationship of Love he allows.


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Re: Evidence of soul and afterlife [Re: Diploid]
    #5795949 - 06/27/06 01:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Diploid said:
Better to say none of those things appear to exist and live your life as if they don't, than to default to believing that they DO exist and clutter your mind with junk on the off chance that some of those unevidenced things are real.




Sad that you even had to explain that.

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Re: Evidence of soul and afterlife [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5795992 - 06/27/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Atheists always seem so shallow and narrow focused, believing only what they see. What a caged, depressing, hollowed-out existence it must be.


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Re: Evidence of soul and afterlife [Re: dblaney]
    #5796132 - 06/27/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Simple, my friend.

Many stories have been told of people witnessing the afterlife, be it heaven or hell, and coming back to earth, but none have been told by those that claim you just rot in the ground 6 feet under.


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Re: Evidence of soul and afterlife [Re: Fospher]
    #5796303 - 06/27/06 04:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Fospher said:
Simple, my friend.

Many stories have been told of people witnessing the afterlife, be it heaven or hell, and coming back to earth, but none have been told by those that claim you just rot in the ground 6 feet under.




Where did you get that idea? NDE experiences are not more common with people of any specific beliefs.
Most of them come back with a belief quite different from what it was before.


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Re: Evidence of soul and afterlife [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5796350 - 06/27/06 04:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Microcosmatrix said:
Atheists always seem so shallow and narrow focused, believing only what they see. What a caged, depressing, hollowed-out existence it must be.




Thank you for gracing us with that lugubrious stereotype.

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Re: Evidence of soul and afterlife [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5798347 - 06/28/06 03:27 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm going to make some broad assumptions here, feel free to take issue with my faulty reasoning.

Let's define soul as the non-physical aspect of ourselves. Nice and vague, lots of wiggle room to work with. Naturally, if the soul is non-physical, it either will or won't be able to influence physical reality. Let's start with 'will'. If it can influence physical reality, it's detectable by virtue of the effects it produces. We'll once again make some nice broad assumptions; the soul's effect upon physical reality is that those who partake in one are alive, whereas that which doesn't isn't. Evidence would then lie in the differences between the live and the deceased('s body). The dead don't respire, they do decompose. They don't grow, they do decompose. They don't play Jenga, they do decompose. So the soul could be said to be the act of non-entropy common to all life in an otherwise ceaselessly entropic universe, as evidenced by life, everywhere. That's what the differences between life and death boil down to, I think. It's stupid-flawed, but hey...

Alright, now say the soul cannot affect physical reality. Where do I look for it? In non-physical reality, a contentious notion to those intent on arguing the point. So right off the bat I'm going to have a very hard time proving the existance of a soul to people who won't buy the very notion of the existance of the realm in which evidence was looked-for. No sense even arguing the point, if the soul has no affect on physical reality, as many would contest, than you'll either agree or not based on your conception of the nature of reality as strictly physical or as possessing some spiritual components (or as being entirely spiritual in nature, even).


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Re: Evidence of soul and afterlife [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5798368 - 06/28/06 03:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Microcosmatrix said:
Atheists always seem so shallow and narrow focused, believing only what they see. What a caged, depressing,  hollowed-out existence it must be.




I am an atheist. You are a hypocritical, judgemental asshole.

Fuck, now so am I ...  :smirk:

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