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So how dangerous is cannabis?
    #5798156 - 06/28/06 01:25 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The Big Question: So how dangerous is cannabis?
By Steve Connor, Science Editor
June 28, 2006 - independent.co.uk

Why are we asking this question now?

The head of the UN's anti-drugs office has said that cannabis use has turned into a major pandemic which is causing as much harm as cocaine and heroin. Antonio Maria Costa also implicitly criticised countries such as Britain for relaxing the law on the possession of cannabis.

"Policy reversals leave young people confused as to just how dangerous cannabis is," Mr Costa said. "With cannabis-related health damage increasing, it is fundamentally wrong for countries to make cannabis control dependent on which party is in government. Today, the harmful characteristics of cannabis are no longer that different from those of other plant-based drugs such as cocaine and heroin."

What is cannabis?

The most commonly used illicit drug in Britain, if not the world, also called marijuana, it is produced from certain parts of the Cannabis sativa plant and comes in various forms - dried leaves, concentrated resin known as hashish, or distilled oil. The strongest parts of the plant are the female flowering tops, which are prevented from going to seed by growing them in a pollen-free environment. Sensemillia, as this form of cannabis is sometimes called, is strong because none of the plant's energy goes into making seeds, but instead produces the psychoactive substances which cause the desired effect.

Cannabis grows wild in many parts of the world, from Poland and Hungary to Afghanistan, India and China. Its dried leaves or resin have been smoked by varied cultures over many thousands of years. Cannabis has been used in societies ranging from the Hindus of India, the Thracians of southern Europe and the ancient Scythians, who liked to smoke it in a steam room. Indeed the charred seeds of cannabis have been found at a Stone Age burial site in Romania, and cannabis was first documented as a herbal remedy in a Chinese pharmacy text of the first century AD.

Why do people take it?

Cannabis is a psychoactive substance; in other words, it affects the brain. But it also affects other parts of the body. It increases pulse rate, decreases blood pressure, causes bloodshot eyes and increases appetite. However, it is the effects on the brain that cause the feelings of calm euphoria and gentle elation that many users enjoy.

The drug has a mild sedative effect but the experience depends greatly on individual mood and the social environment at the time it is taken. Some people get the giggles and become talkative, others become subdued and quiet - the classic symptoms of being "stoned". Many people feel less inhibited while under the influence of cannabis, in much the same way as drinking alcohol, which is why it is a common party drug.

What does it do to the brain?

The most active ingredient of cannabis is a chemical called tetrahydrocannabinol (THC). It can pass across the biological barrier that separates the brain from the bloodstream, and in doing so penetrates the central nervous system. Here, it acts on the natural proteins or receptors that control nerve impulses passed from one part of the brain to another.

Cannabinoids such as THC act on a specific protein receptor that is widely distributed in the brain. As a result it interferes with concentration and thought, memory, pain perception and muscle co-ordination. THC particularly interferes with the cerebellum - the "autopilot" of the brain - which is important for balance, posture, and co-ordination of movement. The drug also affects the hippocampus, which is important for the formation of memory.

These influences on the brain help to explain why cannabis intensifies ordinary sensory experiences, such as eating, watching films or listening to music. They also explain why users get a false sense of how time passes, and why they suffer from various problems with short-term memory, poor reaction time and general unsteadiness.

Are there any more dangerous side-effects?

This is a hotly disputed topic. Cannabis does not produce physical dependency, as does heroin, but some people who use it regularly can become psychologically dependent. Cannabis smoke is carcinogenic, and so can contribute to lung cancer, just like tobacco smoke. And regular smoking can exacerbate existing respiratory problems, such as asthma, bronchitis and wheezing.

A few studies have suggested that regular users may also have impaired immune systems, and there is little doubt that driving while stoned is dangerous - one study found that smoking cannabis doubles the risk of fatal car crashes. According to a study in The Lancet, large doses of THC produce confusion, amnesia, delusions, hallucinations, anxiety and agitation. "Such reactions are rare, occurring after unusually heavy cannabis use; in most cases they remit rapidly after abstinence from cannabis," it says.

The really important issue is whether cannabis can cause serious, long-term problems for a person's mental health. Earlier this year the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs concluded that there may be a link between cannabis use and the onset of psychotic illnesses, although there was insufficient evidence to state that frequent users were more likely to develop schizophrenia. Nevertheless, several studies have suggested that there may well be an association between smoking cannabis in adolescence and mental illness in later life - including schizophrenia.

What does the stronger version do to you?

It has been suggested that the smoking of more potent forms of cannabis, known as "skunk", can result in something called cannabis psychosis, although this has not been conclusively proved. Skunk is a generic name used to describe the 100 or so varieties of cannabis plant that have higher-than-average levels of THC. Skunk may also contain higher levels of the 40 other substances in cannabis that are thought to be capable of having an effect on the body.

Traditional varieties of cannabis have a THC content of between 2 and 4 per cent, while some varieties of skunk can have THC levels of up to 20 per cent. Some users say the immediate effect of smoking skunk is that they get stoned more quickly. They also report higher levels of transient hallucinations, which are particularly common in people who have already taken LSD, a known hallucinogenic drug.

Skunk's potency can sometimes catch people out if they have been used to more dilute forms of cannabis. As a result they can suffer from anxiety attacks and feelings of mild paranoia. However, there is no evidence to suggest that smoking skunk poses any new risks compared with the heavy smoking of weaker forms of cannabis.

Is cannabis medicinal?

Cannabis has a long history as a folk remedy, and some of its natural constituents are reported to have therapeutic value for illnesses such as asthma, glaucoma, mild to severe muscle spasms and pain, as well as anorexia and mood disorders.

Is smoking cannabis really that bad for you?

Yes...

* There is convincing evidence to suggest a link between heavy use and serious mental illness

* Cannabis smoke is just as dangerous as cigarette smoke in causing lung disease

* Driving while even mildly stoned significantly increases the risk of fatal accidents

No...

* There is no evidence that cannabis causes physical dependency in the manner of heroin or cocaine

* Mild users of cannabis are not more likely to become addicted to 'harder drugs'

* Many long-term users of cannabis lead normal, healthy lives which they find enhanced by recreational use of the drug


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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: veggie]
    #5799445 - 06/28/06 01:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

there is no link between cancer and cannibas


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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: new_to_shrooms]
    #5800529 - 06/28/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yes there is, it cures it.


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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: veggie]
    #5802110 - 06/29/06 03:45 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

haha... I do think cannabis can help potentiate an anxiety disorder but I don't think its the cause...in fact I'd go as far as to say I know its not the cause


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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: new_to_shrooms]
    #5802519 - 06/29/06 09:20 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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new_to_shrooms said:
there is no link between cancer and cannibas




care to back that up?

I was under the impression that regularly inhaling large amounts of any type of smoke generated from a natural substance could cause cancer


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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: OJK]
    #5802669 - 06/29/06 10:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That's what I thought too, but there have been some articles here recently that claim that although weed's anti-tumor properties are weak, they are strong enough to basically cancel out the cancer causing effects of weed smoke. Or something to that effect.


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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: OJK]
    #5802782 - 06/29/06 10:46 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

> care to back that up?

Published May 23, 2006, http://cancer.about.com/od/smokingandcancer/f/marijuana.htm:
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According to a recent study by the University of California Los Angeles, there is no increased lung cancer risk in smoking marijuana.

The study presented at the annual American Thoracic Society meeting this week in San Diego, studied the lives of those under 60, since that age group is most to have been exposed to the heaviest amounts of marijuana use.

The "baby boomer" group was comprised of 611 lung cancer patients, 601 head and neck cancer patients and 1040 people who did not have cancer. The study found no increased risk of lung and head and neck cancer. However, it did find a significant increased risk factor in those who smoked two or more packs of cigarettes a day.




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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: veggie]
    #5803272 - 06/29/06 01:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ive noticed over the last few years that the UK is leading a huge propoganda campaign against weed. Its just as crazy as the ones the US had back in the 60's and 70's, but I thought all that shit was discredited.


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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: 2859558484]
    #5803444 - 06/29/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

There is convincing evidence to suggest a link between heavy use and serious mental illness

The "serious mental illness" being psycosis.

http://www.ukcia.org/culture/effects/mh.htm:
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Cannabis isn't a cause of psychotic conditions like schizophrenia in the sense that it directly leads to psychosis. That's obvious - we all know people who've smoked for years and haven't got schizophrenia; we also know people who have psychotic symptoms who haven't used any drugs..

But this is a hot potato of a question because it depends on what's meant by "cause". There are no specific causes as no single cause has been identified -
even genes only carry a 50% risk. it's better to think of "risk factors" - factors which increase the risk of it developing. Some people put birth complications as the main causal factor in about 40% of cases of schizophrenia.

But that doesn't mean that cannabis definitely has no causal role. No single cause for psychosis has ever been identified - it's almost always a bit of a melting pot of risk factors like genes, birth complications, racism, living in cities, trauma, the list is almost endless. The thing is that if more than one risk factor is present, the chances of developing a psychotic condition goes up exponentially, or as researchers put it, the risk factors interact.

Cannabis use might be one of these risk factors, especially for children or young teenagers and especially if they use a lot of it - the more smoked, and the younger the user - the bigger the risk.





Cannabis smoke is just as dangerous as cigarette smoke in causing lung disease

http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/326/7396/942:
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Tetrahydrocannabinol has cardiovascular effects, and sudden deaths have been attributed to smoking cannabis.10 Myocardial infarction is 4.2 times more likely to occur within an hour of smoking cannabis.11 However, despite these alarming facts, there is no evidence at present on whether smoking cannabis contributes to the progression of coronary artery disease, as smoking cigarettes does. More studies of the cardiovascular and pulmonary effects of cannabis are essential.

It may be argued that the extrapolation from small numbers of individual studies to potential large scale effects amounts to scaremongering.




Driving while even mildly stoned significantly increases the risk of fatal accidents

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/uk_lords_report/ToxicEffects.shtml#4.6:
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Intoxication with cannabis leads to a slight impairment of psychomotor and cognitive function, which is important for those driving a vehicle, flying an aircraft or operating machinery (DH Q 197). The Department of Health rate this as "the major concern from a public health perspective" raised by recreational use (p 46), and Professor Hall considers it the most serious possible short-term consequence of cannabis use, both for the user and for the public (p 222).




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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: veggie]
    #5803820 - 06/29/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Well, many people see cannabis as a hot-button issue. Unfortunately, many people are not open minded or intelligent enough to create seperate ways to ingest the psychoactive chemicals.

A few points I would like to make:

1.) Cannais smoke is carcinogenic, yes, unfortunately so is anything you inhale into your lungs. Maple leaves could be carcinogenic for all we know, are we going to ban them? Plus, you can EAT cannabis, offering many more available ingesting options (if not something along the lines of water bongs or vaporizers)

2.) It only uproots schizophrenia in already demented minds. In someone without any schizophrenia genes it is perfectly harmless on the brain. Many people complain about synaptic freezing, if so this would simply build connections in OTHER parts of the brain, increasing IQ and creative thinking.

3.) Who the fuck drives on cannabis? It's about as stupid as taking 'Shrooms and driving. If you must drive, however, most cannabis users are "grandma drivers" and the increased awareness prevents accidents. If you must drive on weed, drive slow.

Many people have tried to stop cannabis simply because they miss points. It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom. Don't beleive everything the government tells you.


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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: DiMiTripper]
    #5804063 - 06/29/06 05:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I found a lot of conclusions the article assumed to be causes of effects, were really effects of causes. For example, if a higher percentage of marijuana users have psychological disorders, maybe then people with these disorders seek to use substances, opposed to these substances inducing a psychosis.


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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: mycogirl]
    #5804650 - 06/29/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

ok seriously these campaigns are based on sheer ignorance. Both the "effects" of cannabis of which this person describes, are the combined effects of that of cigarettes and alcohal. Half of these may not be true but even if they were, alcohal is clearly more dangerous and life threatening than weed. And the amount of smoke that cigarette smokers inhale in a day is so much great than that of the recreational cannabis smoker. If anything were to be banned it should be cigarettes and alcohal before weed... (not implying anything should be banned, but jesh just relax on the cannabis)


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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: jiggety7]
    #5804660 - 06/29/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

alcohol is the problem with driving...theres really no other substance that even comes close...since alcohol gives u a false sense of confidence(booze balls) and also GREATLY impairs motor function...how often have u heard of someone getting in an accident from pretty much any other drug alone?...not often

yet booze is perfectly legal :/


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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5805976 - 06/30/06 04:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

> theres really no other substance that even comes close..

Actually, research has shown that cell phones are about as bad as alcohol.  Donno if you count a cell phone as a substance or not.  :wink:

The big difference with cannabis impaired drivers is that they know they are impaired and they tend to slow down and pay more attention to driving.  I'm not advocating driving while under the influence of anything, be it a cell phone call or THC.  However, if I had to choose any group of "impaired drivers" in the world to share the road with, it would be those with THC in their system over any other substance.

One thing I was wondering about... I have read the procedures used for two different driving while inoxicated on cannabis studies.  In both cases, they used volunteers.  My gripe here is that people get better at driving impaired over time.  If I toss a person behind the wheel the first time they smoke a joint, they are going to do much worse than somebody that has been smoking (and driving) for twenty years.  Because cannabis is illegal where the studies were conducted, and because the studies didn't bother to check (or didn't want to publish the results of their check), one must assume that the volunteers were all "virgin smokers".  This would lead me to believe that these studies represent an absolute worst case scenario as opposed to the average of how the population as a whole would perform.


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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5806006 - 06/30/06 04:55 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Well, apparently the thinking goes like this: alcohol is okay, since it's legal, but pot is not okay, since it's illegal. Some find this actually makes sense. :rolleyes:


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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: Seuss]
    #5806010 - 06/30/06 05:00 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for that Seuss, that really surprised me.


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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: OJK]
    #5806047 - 06/30/06 05:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

dosen't surprise me at all(but I get the feeling u were being sarcastic)


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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: veggie]
    #6394773 - 12/21/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

i think that driving while high is quite fun, I think people who think that being high or "stoned" effects your driving are rediculas and havnt tried to drive while high because they have probley never been high there for they think it will make you a worse driver. I do think you are a lesser driver but you can still drive like your sober, nothing like driving drunk which is absoulutly diffrent in every way. They say ever drug creats phycosis and all the other mental problems but yet they have3 no proof?????


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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: 5crz40]
    #6395530 - 12/21/06 10:37 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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* There is convincing evidence to suggest a link between heavy use and serious mental illness




Yeah I'm gonna have to call that article on that one. I'd like to see that convincing evidence.


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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: Maverick]
    #6395674 - 12/21/06 11:41 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

"they have probley never been high there for they think it will make you a worse driver."

I have, and it does for me.

"I do think you are a lesser driver but you can still drive like your sober...."

Erm. You seem to agree, whether you're aware of it or not.

Of course driving high reduces your ability to drive. Anyone who thinks it improves your actual ability to perform the task of driving is kidding themselves in my opinion. Yes, perhaps it will make you a more careful driver, but your reaction time isn't going to be improved by pot unless you have something rather unique wrong with you in the first place. The question is how much it harms the ability to drive, and if it's enough that it's even a problem for you. There's obviously no competition at all to driving drunk.

No matter how much or little your ability to drive is harmed, "i think that driving while high is quite fun" is the worst reason to drive under an influence ever. I can understand, "I need to get to work, and my driving doesn't realistically suffer much."

Just my opinion. I don't think driving high is (usually) the end of the world. But I have a problem with people lying to themselves while they do it. Accept the risks, and hold yourself accountable for your actions.

It's similar to those who deny the notion of a psychedelic having any negative consequences at all. Around here we realize the relative safety compared other substances, or even ways of life. But by making a statement that risk is actually inexistent is simply wrong. I feel it's a result of the propaganda machine pushing so hard against us. It's easy to try to push back with a similar force and intense defensiveness.

The relative might seem absolute in the mind of people like us, who live and think this way daily. But really believing it can be dangerous on a personal level, and gives a dishonest spin on the image of those who support cognitive liberty, which we each represent... whether we like it or not.


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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: DiMiTripper]
    #6558673 - 02/12/07 03:11 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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3.) Who the fuck drives on cannabis? It's about as stupid as taking 'Shrooms and driving. If you must drive, however, most cannabis users are "grandma drivers" and the increased awareness prevents accidents. If you must drive on weed, drive slow.





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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: veggie]
    #18067661 - 04/06/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Seeing this makes me sick and tired. NO there is NO relation between the active compounds in Cannabis and mental illness, your body produces its OWN Cannabinoids, people seriously need to get that through their thick heads. Almost 100% of the false science spread by the media and government as well
as large corporations such as the pulp and paper industry, Pharmaceutical industries and other has been proven wrong. Cannabinoids increase brain wave function in the Alpha wave range, have been proven to protect the brain and nervous system against damage and degradation, have been proven to benefit
healthy cell growth and slow/stop cancer cell growth, and have been shown to have very strong anti-oxidant and anti-inflammatory properties. Some cannabinoids have been shown to have anti-biotic properties and others have been shown to have bone strengthening properties. Cannabinoids are very closely related to the function of the Pineal gland, which is very important to maintaining optimal bodily function and health. CBD, or Cannabidiol has
been proven to have anti-psychotic effects, and is actually being used to treat some mental illnesses. The fact of the matter is, any of these "Studies" saying that Cannabis does that opposite, are nothing but false science. "Cannabis smoke is just as harmful as Cigarette smoke" False, Cigarette smoke does not contain the beneficial Cannabinoids, and other Terpinoids and Terpenes. Most cannabis also does not go through intense processing, and chemical
additive stages that tobacco does. Cigarettes are known to have thousands of synthetic chemical additives, all with proven health effects. Organically grown cannabis smoked is no where near as damaging as cigarette smoke. Nicotine has been shown to have a few medicinal benefits, but no where near the range of benefits shown with Cannabinoids. Ive said it before, and ill say it again, Cannabinoids are produced natural in our bodies, and are actually found in high percentages in human breast milk (Disproving the myth that THC or any other Cannabinoids cause birth defects). Anyone wishing to reply with a rebuttal, feel free, i've been studying Alternative medicine including Cannabis and other herbs for over 7 years, and everything I have to say is backed up by real science, not false media, Business and government science. Nicotine has one of the lowest LD50's (Lethal dose for 50% of the test population) among natural substances, where Cannabinoids have one of the lowest.


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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: veggie]
    #18067675 - 04/06/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

If you're on a diet, it can make you hungry. If you have work to do, it can make you sleepy. Arguably it can impair driving. If you have a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia, it can trigger a psychotic episode, unless the strain is bred to have high levels of CBD, which has an antipsychotic effect. Most strains aren't though, most are bred to have levels of THC and low levels of CBD.

Past that, no danger.


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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: Space Monkey]
    #18067755 - 04/06/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I love how the UN never once uses the term "Human Cannabinoid system" as that would go against what they are attempting to prove. They only say "It binds to natural protein receptors" but never mention that they are Cannabinoid specific receptors, and that the body produces its own. There is no such thing as Cannabis Psychosis, its been proven wrong by science, yet un-founded clinical data is always used to attempt to prove it. yes, a Cananbis smoker may very well develop a mental illness, but there has never been a scientific relation found. Further more, Carbon monoxide, which is found in all smoke from incomplete carbon combustion damages brain cells, but these biased studies never take this into account. I drive on Cannabis on a daily basis, and even if you do not, you technically are, as your brain is producing natural Cannabinoids. Its so sad that people will believe anything just because it was said with confidence by the "UN-anti drug office" or the "FDA" which have both been caught openly lying, and have been proven wrong on many accounts. If science continues like this (And by this I mean not educating yourself scientifically, and just listening to the shit that's being thrown around by the media) one day we are going to live in a world where the consumption of cherries is Illegal, because it contains Melatonin, a Neurotransmitter which "Alters the mind", or listening to music is illegal because it "Alters the mind", what a bunch of crap, everything alters the mind, live with it, its part of nature.
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If you're on a diet, it can make you hungry. If you have work to do, it can make you sleepy. Arguably it can impair driving. If you have a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia, it can trigger a psychotic episode, unless the strain is bred to have high levels of CBD, which has an antipsychotic effect. Most strains aren't though, most are bred to have levels of THC and low levels of CBD.

Past that, no danger.




T.H.C has never been proven by real science to trigger psychotic episodes. A quick google search will reveal that not a single scientific journal for the point exists, and many against it do exist. The only information that states this is true comes from un-sourced media, Slander advertisements, and biased government science. No correlation between THC and Schizophrenia exists, end of story. "If you have work to do it can make you sleepy" This is just simpleton Bullshit. Most Sativa dominant strains give increased energy feelings rather than sedative tired feeling. Arguably, everything can impair driving, from the colour of the car in front of you, to the music on the radio. You are natural "High" on Cannabinoids, so this is like saying driving while your body produces Adrenaline (Which it always does in small amounts) Is dangerous. On the contrary, driving without knowing how to drive, and having your mind occupied about what MIGHT be effecting your driving will effect your driving even more. As for the diet crap, this is about health, not weather your trying to lose weight or not. That's biased information because you failed to state that appetite increasing effects can treat those with eating disorders and some strains of Cannabis have Cannabinoids that actually supress appetite. Your correct, most strains aren't bred with high CBD, however, that is becoming less and less true in todays time, some strains contain naturally high levels of CBD and the sub-species of Cannabis known as Cannabis Ruderalis, contains higher levels of THC than CBD without breeding. By the way, the western definition of Psychotic is also very skewed. For example, Autism, which is seen as a "Disorder" often comes a long with much higher IQ levels, and much higher brain function.


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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: Pinealexploration]
    #18068393 - 04/06/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Meh. I think almost anything can trigger a psychotic episode if someone has a predisposition for schizophrenia, particularly stuff that contributes to "out there" thoughts, doesn't necessarily have to be drugs.

Autism occasionally comes with savant abilities, but not "often", the vast majority of the time they're just debilitated, some more severely than others. You obviously don't understand psychoses in general though, because autism is not a psychoses.

I don't think weed fucks with driving skills much, I personally have no problem with stoned drivers, I just said its arguable. Stoned drivers definitely drive slower, I think because reaction time's not as good.

Burnout is part of weed. Yes, sativas have an energizing effect, but I'd say burnout still comes at the end even when I'm smoking sativas, indicas the burnout is just an integrated part of the high itself.

The diet thing was a joke.

You are way too evangelical. I like weed, but it does not improve on every facet of life, for me at least. It improves on some, not on others, it varies from situation to situation. If I'm doing a math class for example, I prefer sobriety, you cannot tell me different. If I were to diet (something I have never done and do not foresee doing) I wouldn't smoke weed. I don't diet though, I love the munchies, and of course I recognize the benefits of it stimulating appetite for various medicinal reasons.

As Kat Williams said (speaking for the average person), weed has three basic effects: hungry, happy, sleepy. That can be good sometimes, not always. Look at things how they are.


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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: Space Monkey]
    #18068447 - 04/06/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Holy shit this is an old thread.


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    #18068488 - 04/06/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

haha, I just realized that. a necro AND an evangelist! jk, I don't care about necroing threads, its the internet.


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    #18069636 - 04/06/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Meh. I think almost anything can trigger a psychotic episode if someone has a predisposition for schizophrenia, particularly stuff that contributes to "out there" thoughts, doesn't necessarily have to be drugs.

Autism occasionally comes with savant abilities, but not "often", the vast majority of the time they're just debilitated, some more severely than others. You obviously don't understand psychoses in general though, because autism is not a psychoses.

I don't think weed fucks with driving skills much, I personally have no problem with stoned drivers, I just said its arguable. Stoned drivers definitely drive slower, I think because reaction time's not as good.

Burnout is part of weed. Yes, sativas have an energizing effect, but I'd say burnout still comes at the end even when I'm smoking sativas, indicas the burnout is just an integrated part of the high itself.

The diet thing was a joke.

You are way too evangelical. I like weed, but it does not improve on every facet of life, for me at least. It improves on some, not on others, it varies from situation to situation. If I'm doing a math class for example, I prefer sobriety, you cannot tell me different. If I were to diet (something I have never done and do not foresee doing) I wouldn't smoke weed. I don't diet though, I love the munchies, and of course I recognize the benefits of it stimulating appetite for various medicinal reasons.

As Kat Williams said (speaking for the average person), weed has three basic effects: hungry, happy, sleepy. That can be good sometimes, not always. Look at things how they are.




Wrong, 70% of Autistic children demonstrate this. Mental functioning and physical debilitation are two different things my friend. Once many of these children learn to get past the troubles with the physical world, which is being more and more found to come from enhanced sensory sensitivity, their internal abilities begin to show through more. Also, I didn't say that Autism was a Psychosis like Schizophrenia, however they are moth considered mental illnesses. Really? Katt Williams? Give me science, not some mainstream comedian who understand nothing about it. If a burnout still comes when you smoke a sativa, you're not smoking a true sativa as they do not produce the Cannabinoids responsible for this. I never said Cannabis improves on every facet of life, I merely disproved the factors you said it negates. Of course I cant tell you differently than what you personally prefer, however, that does not change the fact that you are still "High" on the natural Cannabinoids produced in the body, even during that math exam. I personally believe, with back up by science that "Out there thought" and things of that nature causing Schizophrenia is just another filter so business science can continue to make money. Take a look at Albert Einstein, in his time, he was considered already insane, but today we recognize him as one of the smartest individuals of all time. Just because society sees a particular thought or behavior as out there, doesn't mean it is in the real world, and it definitely doesn't contribute to mental illnesses. Interestingly enough, many studies show that things such as Cannabis use, or other "Out there" thoughts and activates you are referring to are not what is triggering psychosis, but the negative viewpoint by society that comes along with them. A few tests have shown a correlation between cannabis users who have been arrested for Cannabis related "Crimes" and psychosis than those who have not been arrested. This may because the negative impact of being arrested, or seen as a bad person by Family, Friends and peers can trigger psychosis through the stressfulness of those situations.


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    #18069683 - 04/06/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

When I was 18 we invited a friend over and he tried cannabis for the first time.  He had a history of mental illness, and he went totally insane after smoking.  We tried to calm him and stop him from yelling, but he just could not be quiet. 

My parents assumed we had gotten into their liquor and throw all of it away the next day.  Of course we hadn't touched it...


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    #18069776 - 04/06/13 11:17 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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When I was 18 we invited a friend over and he tried cannabis for the first time.  He had a history of mental illness, and he went totally insane after smoking.  We tried to calm him and stop him from yelling, but he just could not be quiet. 

My parents assumed we had gotten into their liquor and throw all of it away the next day.  Of course we hadn't touched it...




That's providing your assumption that the Cannabinoids were causing the effect. I personally believe they were not the cause of the effect, as
his body would already be producing natural cannabinoids, which have the same effects on the body. I don't like assumptions like that because i'm well aware that smoke contains MANY other compounds besides Cannabinoids. The reaction could have been triggered by large CO inhalations, An allergic reaction to something in the plant, Ammonia Inhalation, and the ever present possibility that the cannabis was tainted (Which legalization would help prevent). Im not saying its 100% impossible that the Cannabinoids are responsible, however, there are other factors at play. As I mentioned in another post, some people can have intolerances to chemicals naturally produced in their body, just like an allergy, and some people Cannabinoid system may function little to none. And the sudden use of the system may cause a reaction, but not actual health effects of Cannabinoids on the brain. Also, this point is of litter matter to me because the vast psychosis cases are curable in my books.


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    #18069916 - 04/06/13 11:38 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
When I was 18 we invited a friend over and he tried cannabis for the first time.  He had a history of mental illness, and he went totally insane after smoking.  We tried to calm him and stop him from yelling, but he just could not be quiet. 

My parents assumed we had gotten into their liquor and throw all of it away the next day.  Of course we hadn't touched it...




That's providing your assumption that the Cannabinoids were causing the effect. I personally believe they were not the cause of the effect, as
his body would already be producing natural cannabinoids, which have the same effects on the body. I don't like assumptions like that because i'm well aware that smoke contains MANY other compounds besides Cannabinoids. The reaction could have been triggered by large CO inhalations, An allergic reaction to something in the plant, Ammonia Inhalation, and the ever present possibility that the cannabis was tainted (Which legalization would help prevent). Im not saying its 100% impossible that the Cannabinoids are responsible, however, there are other factors at play. As I mentioned in another post, some people can have intolerances to chemicals naturally produced in their body, just like an allergy, and some people Cannabinoid system may function little to none. And the sudden use of the system may cause a reaction, but not actual health effects of Cannabinoids on the brain. Also, this point is of litter matter to me because the vast psychosis cases are curable in my books.




...ok, I want to clear something up. We are not high all the time on endogenous compounds, it is the introduction of exogenous compounds which produces the "altered" state. You could argue all states are simply states, but the one we inhabit normally is simply the one we are designed to inhabit normally, so I do not consider myself "high" all day. And though the cannabinoids found in cannabis are of a similar nature to our own endogenous compounds, they are not the same compounds, merely related. To illustrate, psilocin is very similar to serotonin, but, psilocin is different from serotonin, in that you get high as fuck off it. The only thing we really trip on that is endogenous is DMT, 5-meo-dmt and bufotenin....the rest of the drugs just resemble our brain chemistry. So weed's not really natural in the way you seem to think it is. Using your logic, I could argue the naturalness of morphine because it is similar to my neurochemistry, or psilocin, or mescaline, or any number of mind altering substances.

You are being very close-minded in your evangelical determination to defend this plant. Just accept that its not good for some people, and it is good for others, there is no inherent quality of good or bad to it, it is a PLANT. It might be good for you, but for someone with a family history of mental illness, it goes bad sometimes.

And no, most of the time autism just makes people fucked. It sucks.


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    #18069996 - 04/07/13 12:03 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
When I was 18 we invited a friend over and he tried cannabis for the first time.  He had a history of mental illness, and he went totally insane after smoking.  We tried to calm him and stop him from yelling, but he just could not be quiet. 

My parents assumed we had gotten into their liquor and throw all of it away the next day.  Of course we hadn't touched it...




That's providing your assumption that the Cannabinoids were causing the effect. I personally believe they were not the cause of the effect, as
his body would already be producing natural cannabinoids, which have the same effects on the body. I don't like assumptions like that because i'm well aware that smoke contains MANY other compounds besides Cannabinoids. The reaction could have been triggered by large CO inhalations, An allergic reaction to something in the plant, Ammonia Inhalation, and the ever present possibility that the cannabis was tainted (Which legalization would help prevent). Im not saying its 100% impossible that the Cannabinoids are responsible, however, there are other factors at play. As I mentioned in another post, some people can have intolerances to chemicals naturally produced in their body, just like an allergy, and some people Cannabinoid system may function little to none. And the sudden use of the system may cause a reaction, but not actual health effects of Cannabinoids on the brain. Also, this point is of litter matter to me because the vast psychosis cases are curable in my books.




...ok, I want to clear something up. We are not high all the time on endogenous compounds, it is the introduction of exogenous compounds which produces the "altered" state. You could argue all states are simply states, but the one we inhabit normally is simply the one we are designed to inhabit normally, so I do not consider myself "high" all day. And though the cannabinoids found in cannabis are of a similar nature to our own endogenous compounds, they are not the same compounds, merely related. To illustrate, psilocin is very similar to serotonin, but, psilocin is different from serotonin, in that you get high as fuck off it. The only thing we really trip on that is endogenous is DMT, 5-meo-dmt and bufotenin....the rest of the drugs just resemble our brain chemistry. So weed's not really natural in the way you seem to think it is. Using your logic, I could argue the naturalness of morphine because it is similar to my neurochemistry, or psilocin, or mescaline, or any number of mind altering substances.

You are being very close-minded in your evangelical determination to defend this plant. Just accept that its not good for some people, and it is good for others, there is no inherent quality of good or bad to it, it is a PLANT. It might be good for you, but for someone with a family history of mental illness, it goes bad sometimes.

And no, most of the time autism just makes people fucked. It sucks.





No actually, all endo and exogenous chemicals alter states regardless of wether you think they are "Supposed" to be there. Everything is effected and tied in with other external factors like what you intake such as foods, herbs, and "Drugs". Yes, the Cannabinoids are different, but they are cannabinoids none the less. Human Cannabinoids are found in the Cacao plant and Chocolate. And yes, you could argue the naturalness of morphine, because our brains produce opiates. The thing with Psilocybin (Not psilocin) is that it mimics these compounds, and is not one of these compounds. For example, the estrogen mimicking compounds found in some plastics are not estrogen, but the phyto-estrogens found in plants are. Fact of the matter is the earth has a natural healing system, which has been observed and proven at large by biology. Many plants have evolved with other organisms, including humans to provide the needs to them, as some organisms provide their needs. And no, I've been studying Autism for quite a long time, and know quite a few people who suffer with it. "fucked up" Isn't a medical term, its your perception of them, and as I said, no, its 100% fact that the majority of Autistics exhibit higher brain functioning and higher IQ levels. I'm not saying most autistics are not physically disabled, what im saying is physical disability and mental function are separate, related, but separate. Look at Stephen Hawkins, he is completely physically disabled, or "Fucked up", however, we consider him one of the smartest people alive. Most of the debilitation in Autism actually comes from this increased brain function, which of course comes along with enhanced nervous function and sensitivity. Many autistic patients when they gain the ability to communicate through non verbal means will surprise you with their proper grammar, advanced vocabulary even at young ages and their workers actually begin to realize these children have a deep understanding of them, although they previously felt like these children had no sense of awareness of them whatsoever previously. Some children describe physical debilitation coming from "Sensory overload" and "The need to create massive amounts of sensory output to drown out the input. This is because the children are being born with higher brain  function, they may not be adapted to these abilities yet. They notice things most people do not, and make connections most other seem unable to make. Your comment is not science based, and based on your perception of Autistics from an external point of view. Have you ever talked with one, or worked with one? And as for being "High" 24/7 we are. The endogenous compounds were merely an example, but even things such as colour, light, sounds, and other input to the sense "Alters the mind", simple as that.


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    #18072024 - 04/07/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

You also clearly lack an understanding of Neurochemistry. Psilocybin nor Mescaline are Neurotransmitters, they only mimic compounds found in the pineal gland and stimulate its activity. Morphine, which is an Opiate, and interacts directly with the Opioid receptors in the brain is part of the earths
natural healing system. Synthetic versions such as Heroin and improper use of natural opiates can cause negative effects, however, just like everything else, that can be beneficial in cases. For example, the Cannabinoids found in the Human body and Cannabis, as well as Cacao and Echinacea, are all Cannabinoids just like human and Phyto-estrogens are all hormones, however, synthetic pharmaceutical Cannabinoids are not, they are designed to mimic. Something is not a mimic in my books if it is part of the earths natural ecology. Also, your argument that for those with family history of mental illnesses stating that it can go bad is also biased. It in no way accounts for the fact that from young ages people are poisoned with the mindset that
this is possible. Physics and biology has shown us that if you think something, it does effect the way it happens in the real world. For example, people who are sick, but maintain positive, calm attitudes have been shown to recover quicker than those who exhibit negative, stressed mindsets. If your friend, or someone else with history of mental illness taken any substance after being told by media, and Authority figures that it may cause him to go crazy, the Placebo effect must be taken into account. The placebo effect doesn't only effect healing properties of compounds, it can also effect damaging properties of the compound.


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    #18073611 - 04/07/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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I personally believe they were not the cause of the effect, as
his body would already be producing natural cannabinoids




Natural cannabinoids don't get people high like weed does.

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The reaction could have been triggered by large CO inhalations, An allergic reaction to something in the plant, Ammonia Inhalation, and the ever present possibility that the cannabis was tainted (Which legalization would help prevent).




It was my weed, it wasn't tainted.  You are going to blame every possible thing other than the THC?  Maybe my friend had a psychotic episode due to the chlorophyl in the weed.  Maybe he got a stem stuck in his throat.  : )

Because weed itself is perfect in every way and could never cause a problem....Smoking weed improves grammar and sentence structure as well.


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    #18073995 - 04/07/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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I personally believe they were not the cause of the effect, as
his body would already be producing natural cannabinoids




Natural cannabinoids don't get people high like weed does.

Actually, yes they do, and you just proved my point that you know nothing about neurobiology. The most well known natural human Cannabinoid is Anandamide, and has been shown to be highly psychoactive, and is often referred to as the "Bliss Chemical". Anandamide is the same Cannabinoid found in Cacao and chocolate. Just because you are used to the state Anandamide gives you, doesn't mean it doesn't "Get people high".

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The reaction could have been triggered by large CO inhalations, An allergic reaction to something in the plant, Ammonia Inhalation, and the ever present possibility that the cannabis was tainted (Which legalization would help prevent).




It was my weed, it wasn't tainted.  You are going to blame every possible thing other than the THC?  Maybe my friend had a psychotic episode due to the chlorophyl in the weed.  Maybe he got a stem stuck in his throat.  : )

Because weed itself is perfect in every way and could never cause a problem....Smoking weed improves grammar and sentence structure as well.




Never said it was perfect, and I clearly stated I'm aware its not impossible that the Cannabinoids triggered it, what I said is there is much more that must be taken into account than just "Cannabinoids are bad for some people". The fact that the only compound in Cannabis you know about is THC makes me question your knowledge even more :P. Let me put it in terms you might be able to understand. IF, and I'm not saying he DID his body had a particular problem producing Cannabinoids, and the Endo-Cannabinoid System was under-active, the sudden activation of it can be a "Shock" to the brain, and yes, in that case one can still say the Cannabis caused it, but what I'm saying is its not some chronic medical health effect of Cannabinoids and there is almost always other things at play. I agree, it would be ignorant of me to say that it definitely was not caused by the cannabinoids, but it would be equally as ignorant as you to claim that it definitely was the THC, which is what you are doing, despite your clear lack of understanding for Neurobiology, or Biology at large for that matter.


And it was your weed meaning? You grew it yourself? You had it chemically tested for its chemical content? What type of nutrients and fertilizer did you use? Again, I'm not blaming these things, but you're clearly no expert on Cannabis, so how do you know it wasn't tainted?


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    #18074080 - 04/07/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

And has your friend ever smoked any other plant before? Studies have actually tied some forms of Psychosis with depriving the Brain from Oxygen, which is of course something smoking does. This would be and effect that could be possibly increased if a water pipe or bong was used to smoke for his first time. In this case, and once again these are all ifs meant to prove there is no way you can say it was 100% THCs fault, that would not be the fault of Cannabis or its compounds, but combustion products and the inhalation of different concentrations of Oxygen and CO2, which has been shown to cause altered perceptions or a "High" effect as well. Also, When Cannabis undergoes combustion it releases Ammonia, as most plant matter does. Ammonia has also been linked with brain toxicity and psychosis and allergies although uncommon do exist. Again, this would be a factor unrelated to the Cannabinoids.


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    #18074119 - 04/07/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Look, I'm aware Cannabis and its Cannabinoids could very well cause psychosis in rare cases, but I still do not see the argument. You are aware of how many people die, yearly from pharmaceuticals right? You are aware that sometimes people have adverse reactions to things such as additives in food, not to mention Alcohol and tobacco, Yet people single out Cannabis as some psychosis causing thing because a few cases exist. The entire "Skunk causes Mad brit disease outbreak" Is a bunch of media BS and I hope you're aware of that. Clinical data sees increasing Scizoprenia/other Psychosis rates, sees that many of the people smoke cannabis, and a rumor is born. The amount of non-smokers who never develop any problems is never taken into account, and the fact that there are thousands of other factors that could have caused/triggered the psychosis other than the plant itself. People are so quick to look at a news story and accept it without looking at the science behind it in todays time.


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