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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: DiMiTripper]
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3.) Who the fuck drives on cannabis? It's about as stupid as taking 'Shrooms and driving. If you must drive, however, most cannabis users are "grandma drivers" and the increased awareness prevents accidents. If you must drive on weed, drive slow.
well, up here in WI roadies are a summer past time.
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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: veggie]
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Seeing this makes me sick and tired. NO there is NO relation between the active compounds in Cannabis and mental illness, your body produces its OWN Cannabinoids, people seriously need to get that through their thick heads. Almost 100% of the false science spread by the media and government as well as large corporations such as the pulp and paper industry, Pharmaceutical industries and other has been proven wrong. Cannabinoids increase brain wave function in the Alpha wave range, have been proven to protect the brain and nervous system against damage and degradation, have been proven to benefit healthy cell growth and slow/stop cancer cell growth, and have been shown to have very strong anti-oxidant and anti-inflammatory properties. Some cannabinoids have been shown to have anti-biotic properties and others have been shown to have bone strengthening properties. Cannabinoids are very closely related to the function of the Pineal gland, which is very important to maintaining optimal bodily function and health. CBD, or Cannabidiol has been proven to have anti-psychotic effects, and is actually being used to treat some mental illnesses. The fact of the matter is, any of these "Studies" saying that Cannabis does that opposite, are nothing but false science. "Cannabis smoke is just as harmful as Cigarette smoke" False, Cigarette smoke does not contain the beneficial Cannabinoids, and other Terpinoids and Terpenes. Most cannabis also does not go through intense processing, and chemical additive stages that tobacco does. Cigarettes are known to have thousands of synthetic chemical additives, all with proven health effects. Organically grown cannabis smoked is no where near as damaging as cigarette smoke. Nicotine has been shown to have a few medicinal benefits, but no where near the range of benefits shown with Cannabinoids. Ive said it before, and ill say it again, Cannabinoids are produced natural in our bodies, and are actually found in high percentages in human breast milk (Disproving the myth that THC or any other Cannabinoids cause birth defects). Anyone wishing to reply with a rebuttal, feel free, i've been studying Alternative medicine including Cannabis and other herbs for over 7 years, and everything I have to say is backed up by real science, not false media, Business and government science. Nicotine has one of the lowest LD50's (Lethal dose for 50% of the test population) among natural substances, where Cannabinoids have one of the lowest.
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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: veggie]
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If you're on a diet, it can make you hungry. If you have work to do, it can make you sleepy. Arguably it can impair driving. If you have a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia, it can trigger a psychotic episode, unless the strain is bred to have high levels of CBD, which has an antipsychotic effect. Most strains aren't though, most are bred to have levels of THC and low levels of CBD.
Past that, no danger.
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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: Space Monkey]
#18067755 - 04/06/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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I love how the UN never once uses the term "Human Cannabinoid system" as that would go against what they are attempting to prove. They only say "It binds to natural protein receptors" but never mention that they are Cannabinoid specific receptors, and that the body produces its own. There is no such thing as Cannabis Psychosis, its been proven wrong by science, yet un-founded clinical data is always used to attempt to prove it. yes, a Cananbis smoker may very well develop a mental illness, but there has never been a scientific relation found. Further more, Carbon monoxide, which is found in all smoke from incomplete carbon combustion damages brain cells, but these biased studies never take this into account. I drive on Cannabis on a daily basis, and even if you do not, you technically are, as your brain is producing natural Cannabinoids. Its so sad that people will believe anything just because it was said with confidence by the "UN-anti drug office" or the "FDA" which have both been caught openly lying, and have been proven wrong on many accounts. If science continues like this (And by this I mean not educating yourself scientifically, and just listening to the shit that's being thrown around by the media) one day we are going to live in a world where the consumption of cherries is Illegal, because it contains Melatonin, a Neurotransmitter which "Alters the mind", or listening to music is illegal because it "Alters the mind", what a bunch of crap, everything alters the mind, live with it, its part of nature.Quote:
Space Monkey said: If you're on a diet, it can make you hungry. If you have work to do, it can make you sleepy. Arguably it can impair driving. If you have a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia, it can trigger a psychotic episode, unless the strain is bred to have high levels of CBD, which has an antipsychotic effect. Most strains aren't though, most are bred to have levels of THC and low levels of CBD.
Past that, no danger.
T.H.C has never been proven by real science to trigger psychotic episodes. A quick google search will reveal that not a single scientific journal for the point exists, and many against it do exist. The only information that states this is true comes from un-sourced media, Slander advertisements, and biased government science. No correlation between THC and Schizophrenia exists, end of story. "If you have work to do it can make you sleepy" This is just simpleton Bullshit. Most Sativa dominant strains give increased energy feelings rather than sedative tired feeling. Arguably, everything can impair driving, from the colour of the car in front of you, to the music on the radio. You are natural "High" on Cannabinoids, so this is like saying driving while your body produces Adrenaline (Which it always does in small amounts) Is dangerous. On the contrary, driving without knowing how to drive, and having your mind occupied about what MIGHT be effecting your driving will effect your driving even more. As for the diet crap, this is about health, not weather your trying to lose weight or not. That's biased information because you failed to state that appetite increasing effects can treat those with eating disorders and some strains of Cannabis have Cannabinoids that actually supress appetite. Your correct, most strains aren't bred with high CBD, however, that is becoming less and less true in todays time, some strains contain naturally high levels of CBD and the sub-species of Cannabis known as Cannabis Ruderalis, contains higher levels of THC than CBD without breeding. By the way, the western definition of Psychotic is also very skewed. For example, Autism, which is seen as a "Disorder" often comes a long with much higher IQ levels, and much higher brain function.
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Meh. I think almost anything can trigger a psychotic episode if someone has a predisposition for schizophrenia, particularly stuff that contributes to "out there" thoughts, doesn't necessarily have to be drugs.
Autism occasionally comes with savant abilities, but not "often", the vast majority of the time they're just debilitated, some more severely than others. You obviously don't understand psychoses in general though, because autism is not a psychoses.
I don't think weed fucks with driving skills much, I personally have no problem with stoned drivers, I just said its arguable. Stoned drivers definitely drive slower, I think because reaction time's not as good.
Burnout is part of weed. Yes, sativas have an energizing effect, but I'd say burnout still comes at the end even when I'm smoking sativas, indicas the burnout is just an integrated part of the high itself.
The diet thing was a joke.
You are way too evangelical. I like weed, but it does not improve on every facet of life, for me at least. It improves on some, not on others, it varies from situation to situation. If I'm doing a math class for example, I prefer sobriety, you cannot tell me different. If I were to diet (something I have never done and do not foresee doing) I wouldn't smoke weed. I don't diet though, I love the munchies, and of course I recognize the benefits of it stimulating appetite for various medicinal reasons.
As Kat Williams said (speaking for the average person), weed has three basic effects: hungry, happy, sleepy. That can be good sometimes, not always. Look at things how they are.
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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: Space Monkey]
#18068447 - 04/06/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Holy shit this is an old thread.
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haha, I just realized that. a necro AND an evangelist! jk, I don't care about necroing threads, its the internet.
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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: Space Monkey]
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Space Monkey said: Meh. I think almost anything can trigger a psychotic episode if someone has a predisposition for schizophrenia, particularly stuff that contributes to "out there" thoughts, doesn't necessarily have to be drugs.
Autism occasionally comes with savant abilities, but not "often", the vast majority of the time they're just debilitated, some more severely than others. You obviously don't understand psychoses in general though, because autism is not a psychoses.
I don't think weed fucks with driving skills much, I personally have no problem with stoned drivers, I just said its arguable. Stoned drivers definitely drive slower, I think because reaction time's not as good.
Burnout is part of weed. Yes, sativas have an energizing effect, but I'd say burnout still comes at the end even when I'm smoking sativas, indicas the burnout is just an integrated part of the high itself.
The diet thing was a joke.
You are way too evangelical. I like weed, but it does not improve on every facet of life, for me at least. It improves on some, not on others, it varies from situation to situation. If I'm doing a math class for example, I prefer sobriety, you cannot tell me different. If I were to diet (something I have never done and do not foresee doing) I wouldn't smoke weed. I don't diet though, I love the munchies, and of course I recognize the benefits of it stimulating appetite for various medicinal reasons.
As Kat Williams said (speaking for the average person), weed has three basic effects: hungry, happy, sleepy. That can be good sometimes, not always. Look at things how they are.
Wrong, 70% of Autistic children demonstrate this. Mental functioning and physical debilitation are two different things my friend. Once many of these children learn to get past the troubles with the physical world, which is being more and more found to come from enhanced sensory sensitivity, their internal abilities begin to show through more. Also, I didn't say that Autism was a Psychosis like Schizophrenia, however they are moth considered mental illnesses. Really? Katt Williams? Give me science, not some mainstream comedian who understand nothing about it. If a burnout still comes when you smoke a sativa, you're not smoking a true sativa as they do not produce the Cannabinoids responsible for this. I never said Cannabis improves on every facet of life, I merely disproved the factors you said it negates. Of course I cant tell you differently than what you personally prefer, however, that does not change the fact that you are still "High" on the natural Cannabinoids produced in the body, even during that math exam. I personally believe, with back up by science that "Out there thought" and things of that nature causing Schizophrenia is just another filter so business science can continue to make money. Take a look at Albert Einstein, in his time, he was considered already insane, but today we recognize him as one of the smartest individuals of all time. Just because society sees a particular thought or behavior as out there, doesn't mean it is in the real world, and it definitely doesn't contribute to mental illnesses. Interestingly enough, many studies show that things such as Cannabis use, or other "Out there" thoughts and activates you are referring to are not what is triggering psychosis, but the negative viewpoint by society that comes along with them. A few tests have shown a correlation between cannabis users who have been arrested for Cannabis related "Crimes" and psychosis than those who have not been arrested. This may because the negative impact of being arrested, or seen as a bad person by Family, Friends and peers can trigger psychosis through the stressfulness of those situations.
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When I was 18 we invited a friend over and he tried cannabis for the first time. He had a history of mental illness, and he went totally insane after smoking. We tried to calm him and stop him from yelling, but he just could not be quiet.
My parents assumed we had gotten into their liquor and throw all of it away the next day. Of course we hadn't touched it...
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Alan Rockefeller said: When I was 18 we invited a friend over and he tried cannabis for the first time. He had a history of mental illness, and he went totally insane after smoking. We tried to calm him and stop him from yelling, but he just could not be quiet.
My parents assumed we had gotten into their liquor and throw all of it away the next day. Of course we hadn't touched it...
That's providing your assumption that the Cannabinoids were causing the effect. I personally believe they were not the cause of the effect, as his body would already be producing natural cannabinoids, which have the same effects on the body. I don't like assumptions like that because i'm well aware that smoke contains MANY other compounds besides Cannabinoids. The reaction could have been triggered by large CO inhalations, An allergic reaction to something in the plant, Ammonia Inhalation, and the ever present possibility that the cannabis was tainted (Which legalization would help prevent). Im not saying its 100% impossible that the Cannabinoids are responsible, however, there are other factors at play. As I mentioned in another post, some people can have intolerances to chemicals naturally produced in their body, just like an allergy, and some people Cannabinoid system may function little to none. And the sudden use of the system may cause a reaction, but not actual health effects of Cannabinoids on the brain. Also, this point is of litter matter to me because the vast psychosis cases are curable in my books.
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Alan Rockefeller said: When I was 18 we invited a friend over and he tried cannabis for the first time. He had a history of mental illness, and he went totally insane after smoking. We tried to calm him and stop him from yelling, but he just could not be quiet.
My parents assumed we had gotten into their liquor and throw all of it away the next day. Of course we hadn't touched it...
That's providing your assumption that the Cannabinoids were causing the effect. I personally believe they were not the cause of the effect, as his body would already be producing natural cannabinoids, which have the same effects on the body. I don't like assumptions like that because i'm well aware that smoke contains MANY other compounds besides Cannabinoids. The reaction could have been triggered by large CO inhalations, An allergic reaction to something in the plant, Ammonia Inhalation, and the ever present possibility that the cannabis was tainted (Which legalization would help prevent). Im not saying its 100% impossible that the Cannabinoids are responsible, however, there are other factors at play. As I mentioned in another post, some people can have intolerances to chemicals naturally produced in their body, just like an allergy, and some people Cannabinoid system may function little to none. And the sudden use of the system may cause a reaction, but not actual health effects of Cannabinoids on the brain. Also, this point is of litter matter to me because the vast psychosis cases are curable in my books.
...ok, I want to clear something up. We are not high all the time on endogenous compounds, it is the introduction of exogenous compounds which produces the "altered" state. You could argue all states are simply states, but the one we inhabit normally is simply the one we are designed to inhabit normally, so I do not consider myself "high" all day. And though the cannabinoids found in cannabis are of a similar nature to our own endogenous compounds, they are not the same compounds, merely related. To illustrate, psilocin is very similar to serotonin, but, psilocin is different from serotonin, in that you get high as fuck off it. The only thing we really trip on that is endogenous is DMT, 5-meo-dmt and bufotenin....the rest of the drugs just resemble our brain chemistry. So weed's not really natural in the way you seem to think it is. Using your logic, I could argue the naturalness of morphine because it is similar to my neurochemistry, or psilocin, or mescaline, or any number of mind altering substances.
You are being very close-minded in your evangelical determination to defend this plant. Just accept that its not good for some people, and it is good for others, there is no inherent quality of good or bad to it, it is a PLANT. It might be good for you, but for someone with a family history of mental illness, it goes bad sometimes.
And no, most of the time autism just makes people fucked. It sucks.
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Re: So how dangerous is cannabis? [Re: Space Monkey]
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Alan Rockefeller said: When I was 18 we invited a friend over and he tried cannabis for the first time. He had a history of mental illness, and he went totally insane after smoking. We tried to calm him and stop him from yelling, but he just could not be quiet.
My parents assumed we had gotten into their liquor and throw all of it away the next day. Of course we hadn't touched it...
That's providing your assumption that the Cannabinoids were causing the effect. I personally believe they were not the cause of the effect, as his body would already be producing natural cannabinoids, which have the same effects on the body. I don't like assumptions like that because i'm well aware that smoke contains MANY other compounds besides Cannabinoids. The reaction could have been triggered by large CO inhalations, An allergic reaction to something in the plant, Ammonia Inhalation, and the ever present possibility that the cannabis was tainted (Which legalization would help prevent). Im not saying its 100% impossible that the Cannabinoids are responsible, however, there are other factors at play. As I mentioned in another post, some people can have intolerances to chemicals naturally produced in their body, just like an allergy, and some people Cannabinoid system may function little to none. And the sudden use of the system may cause a reaction, but not actual health effects of Cannabinoids on the brain. Also, this point is of litter matter to me because the vast psychosis cases are curable in my books.
...ok, I want to clear something up. We are not high all the time on endogenous compounds, it is the introduction of exogenous compounds which produces the "altered" state. You could argue all states are simply states, but the one we inhabit normally is simply the one we are designed to inhabit normally, so I do not consider myself "high" all day. And though the cannabinoids found in cannabis are of a similar nature to our own endogenous compounds, they are not the same compounds, merely related. To illustrate, psilocin is very similar to serotonin, but, psilocin is different from serotonin, in that you get high as fuck off it. The only thing we really trip on that is endogenous is DMT, 5-meo-dmt and bufotenin....the rest of the drugs just resemble our brain chemistry. So weed's not really natural in the way you seem to think it is. Using your logic, I could argue the naturalness of morphine because it is similar to my neurochemistry, or psilocin, or mescaline, or any number of mind altering substances.
You are being very close-minded in your evangelical determination to defend this plant. Just accept that its not good for some people, and it is good for others, there is no inherent quality of good or bad to it, it is a PLANT. It might be good for you, but for someone with a family history of mental illness, it goes bad sometimes.
And no, most of the time autism just makes people fucked. It sucks.
No actually, all endo and exogenous chemicals alter states regardless of wether you think they are "Supposed" to be there. Everything is effected and tied in with other external factors like what you intake such as foods, herbs, and "Drugs". Yes, the Cannabinoids are different, but they are cannabinoids none the less. Human Cannabinoids are found in the Cacao plant and Chocolate. And yes, you could argue the naturalness of morphine, because our brains produce opiates. The thing with Psilocybin (Not psilocin) is that it mimics these compounds, and is not one of these compounds. For example, the estrogen mimicking compounds found in some plastics are not estrogen, but the phyto-estrogens found in plants are. Fact of the matter is the earth has a natural healing system, which has been observed and proven at large by biology. Many plants have evolved with other organisms, including humans to provide the needs to them, as some organisms provide their needs. And no, I've been studying Autism for quite a long time, and know quite a few people who suffer with it. "fucked up" Isn't a medical term, its your perception of them, and as I said, no, its 100% fact that the majority of Autistics exhibit higher brain functioning and higher IQ levels. I'm not saying most autistics are not physically disabled, what im saying is physical disability and mental function are separate, related, but separate. Look at Stephen Hawkins, he is completely physically disabled, or "Fucked up", however, we consider him one of the smartest people alive. Most of the debilitation in Autism actually comes from this increased brain function, which of course comes along with enhanced nervous function and sensitivity. Many autistic patients when they gain the ability to communicate through non verbal means will surprise you with their proper grammar, advanced vocabulary even at young ages and their workers actually begin to realize these children have a deep understanding of them, although they previously felt like these children had no sense of awareness of them whatsoever previously. Some children describe physical debilitation coming from "Sensory overload" and "The need to create massive amounts of sensory output to drown out the input. This is because the children are being born with higher brain function, they may not be adapted to these abilities yet. They notice things most people do not, and make connections most other seem unable to make. Your comment is not science based, and based on your perception of Autistics from an external point of view. Have you ever talked with one, or worked with one? And as for being "High" 24/7 we are. The endogenous compounds were merely an example, but even things such as colour, light, sounds, and other input to the sense "Alters the mind", simple as that.
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You also clearly lack an understanding of Neurochemistry. Psilocybin nor Mescaline are Neurotransmitters, they only mimic compounds found in the pineal gland and stimulate its activity. Morphine, which is an Opiate, and interacts directly with the Opioid receptors in the brain is part of the earths natural healing system. Synthetic versions such as Heroin and improper use of natural opiates can cause negative effects, however, just like everything else, that can be beneficial in cases. For example, the Cannabinoids found in the Human body and Cannabis, as well as Cacao and Echinacea, are all Cannabinoids just like human and Phyto-estrogens are all hormones, however, synthetic pharmaceutical Cannabinoids are not, they are designed to mimic. Something is not a mimic in my books if it is part of the earths natural ecology. Also, your argument that for those with family history of mental illnesses stating that it can go bad is also biased. It in no way accounts for the fact that from young ages people are poisoned with the mindset that this is possible. Physics and biology has shown us that if you think something, it does effect the way it happens in the real world. For example, people who are sick, but maintain positive, calm attitudes have been shown to recover quicker than those who exhibit negative, stressed mindsets. If your friend, or someone else with history of mental illness taken any substance after being told by media, and Authority figures that it may cause him to go crazy, the Placebo effect must be taken into account. The placebo effect doesn't only effect healing properties of compounds, it can also effect damaging properties of the compound.
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Natural cannabinoids don't get people high like weed does.
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It was my weed, it wasn't tainted. You are going to blame every possible thing other than the THC? Maybe my friend had a psychotic episode due to the chlorophyl in the weed. Maybe he got a stem stuck in his throat. : )
Because weed itself is perfect in every way and could never cause a problem....Smoking weed improves grammar and sentence structure as well.
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Natural cannabinoids don't get people high like weed does.
Actually, yes they do, and you just proved my point that you know nothing about neurobiology. The most well known natural human Cannabinoid is Anandamide, and has been shown to be highly psychoactive, and is often referred to as the "Bliss Chemical". Anandamide is the same Cannabinoid found in Cacao and chocolate. Just because you are used to the state Anandamide gives you, doesn't mean it doesn't "Get people high".
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It was my weed, it wasn't tainted. You are going to blame every possible thing other than the THC? Maybe my friend had a psychotic episode due to the chlorophyl in the weed. Maybe he got a stem stuck in his throat. : )
Because weed itself is perfect in every way and could never cause a problem....Smoking weed improves grammar and sentence structure as well.
Never said it was perfect, and I clearly stated I'm aware its not impossible that the Cannabinoids triggered it, what I said is there is much more that must be taken into account than just "Cannabinoids are bad for some people". The fact that the only compound in Cannabis you know about is THC makes me question your knowledge even more :P. Let me put it in terms you might be able to understand. IF, and I'm not saying he DID his body had a particular problem producing Cannabinoids, and the Endo-Cannabinoid System was under-active, the sudden activation of it can be a "Shock" to the brain, and yes, in that case one can still say the Cannabis caused it, but what I'm saying is its not some chronic medical health effect of Cannabinoids and there is almost always other things at play. I agree, it would be ignorant of me to say that it definitely was not caused by the cannabinoids, but it would be equally as ignorant as you to claim that it definitely was the THC, which is what you are doing, despite your clear lack of understanding for Neurobiology, or Biology at large for that matter.
And it was your weed meaning? You grew it yourself? You had it chemically tested for its chemical content? What type of nutrients and fertilizer did you use? Again, I'm not blaming these things, but you're clearly no expert on Cannabis, so how do you know it wasn't tainted?
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And has your friend ever smoked any other plant before? Studies have actually tied some forms of Psychosis with depriving the Brain from Oxygen, which is of course something smoking does. This would be and effect that could be possibly increased if a water pipe or bong was used to smoke for his first time. In this case, and once again these are all ifs meant to prove there is no way you can say it was 100% THCs fault, that would not be the fault of Cannabis or its compounds, but combustion products and the inhalation of different concentrations of Oxygen and CO2, which has been shown to cause altered perceptions or a "High" effect as well. Also, When Cannabis undergoes combustion it releases Ammonia, as most plant matter does. Ammonia has also been linked with brain toxicity and psychosis and allergies although uncommon do exist. Again, this would be a factor unrelated to the Cannabinoids.
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Look, I'm aware Cannabis and its Cannabinoids could very well cause psychosis in rare cases, but I still do not see the argument. You are aware of how many people die, yearly from pharmaceuticals right? You are aware that sometimes people have adverse reactions to things such as additives in food, not to mention Alcohol and tobacco, Yet people single out Cannabis as some psychosis causing thing because a few cases exist. The entire "Skunk causes Mad brit disease outbreak" Is a bunch of media BS and I hope you're aware of that. Clinical data sees increasing Scizoprenia/other Psychosis rates, sees that many of the people smoke cannabis, and a rumor is born. The amount of non-smokers who never develop any problems is never taken into account, and the fact that there are thousands of other factors that could have caused/triggered the psychosis other than the plant itself. People are so quick to look at a news story and accept it without looking at the science behind it in todays time.
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