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discostoo
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Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen....
#5798057 - 06/28/06 12:44 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, I'd like to start off by saying i cannot believe i did this, it was extremely extremely stupid of me and im very lucky nothing caught fire. Things have been very stresful at work, ive been so tired. (I came home starting the PC with some WBS jars inside), sat down on the couch for two seconds, next thing i know three hours had past by. Noticing a odd smell, I ran to the kitchen not only to see my pressure cooker swelled up at the bottom rolling around on top the red hot iron. I immediatly removed the PC from the iron and placed it in the middle of the stove with nothing flammable around it, and shut off the stove. I waited a couple hours for all the pressure to escape, then opened it up and this is what it looked like...

Heres what the jars looked like...

Again, I cannot believe I made such a stupid mistake. I am VERY LUCKY. I can hear it now... "you dont know what your doing.. blah blah..."
I DO know what I am doing, I just made a very very stupid mistake...
NOT WATCHING MY PC
So PLEASE whenever your pressure cooking.. DO NOT fall asleep
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: discostoo]
#5798075 - 06/28/06 12:52 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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if you had the toggle valves, you could sleep while PCing...
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: discostoo]
#5798076 - 06/28/06 12:52 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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no shit man, im actually pc'ing right now and im tired as hell.
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: discostoo]
#5798082 - 06/28/06 12:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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> So PLEASE whenever your pressure cooking.. DO NOT fall asleep
Actually, I recommend sleeping when PCing, just set an alarm or timer that WILL wake you up. You never know when you might just fall asleep, so it's always best to have a timer. It also works to use a free standing burner with a timer on it so that it shuts off automatically.
I also learned the hard way. I fall asleep all the time on accident, so it's just not safe to rely on myself to shut the stove off at the right time.
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: fastfred]
#5798088 - 06/28/06 12:56 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You guys make good points, but im just trying to get the word out there
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: discostoo]
#5798097 - 06/28/06 12:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good warning. for you to get you started!
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: fastfred]
#5798586 - 06/28/06 07:45 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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If it makes you feel any better, I did the same thing. Different set of circumstances, same result.
Toss the jars, obviously. And you can clean the PC with brillo. It'll just take some elbow grease.
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: splifner180]
#5798810 - 06/28/06 09:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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If that's an AA, I wouldn't run it again unless you send it back to the factory for a test. If it's anything but an AA, throw it out and buy another one. I always set a very loud kitchen timer as soon as pressure is reached and I've reduced the setting on the stove. RR
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5798891 - 06/28/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You are lucky, I did the same but was simmering grain too. The place filled with smoke and the fire department came, along with a cop, he never came in though thankfully..
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: scatmanrav]
#5799006 - 06/28/06 11:19 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You say you saw swelling of the PC. It is hosed. I'm sorry man, don't use it anymore if you know what's good for you. Like RR said, you can send it to WAF, but they are just going to tell you it's hosed.
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: cappa]
#5799820 - 06/28/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ah, I didn't think about physical damage to the PC itself. Good call scat, cappa.
What they said.
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: ]
#5799993 - 06/28/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah and if you had a rag on the bottom it burns up nice, leaving brown rings of ash and burn mark where jars were sitting. and boy does it stink.
haha sounds like so many of us have done this at some point
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: creamcorn]
#5800037 - 06/28/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Funny you should say that, creamcorn, that's exactly what I did. And I can attest that it stinks to hell. For days.
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: splifner180]
#5803718 - 06/29/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i've been thinking of doing all my pc'n downstairs in my basement... going to get a reliable portable burner.

hooking this up to a timer... therefore if you fall asleep, or need to run to do something, your covered. The burner will just turn off after 1 1/2 hrs.
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: Oatman2000]
#5803889 - 06/29/06 04:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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damn lol.
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: RemainRandom50]
#5803932 - 06/29/06 04:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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> hooking this up to a timer...
That's a great method. Just make sure your timer can handle the wattage.
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: fastfred]
#5804779 - 06/29/06 09:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
fastfred said:
Actually, I recommend sleeping when PCing, just set an alarm or timer that WILL wake you up. You never know when you might just fall asleep, so it's always best to have a timer.
you are partially right here, it NEVER hurts to set a timer, awake or not.
and i used to find it was easier to pc while i slept, get it up to pressure, set the alarm, wake up shut it off, set it again to cool, refill get it up to pressure etc etc
BUT here within a month or so, i had two NEW seals blow out.....luckily i was awake both times it happened.
i will NEVER sleep while pcing again , the sound of the seal being blown out @ 15psi isnt something i want awoken too , it was bad enough awake
ive seen the damage twice when a pc blew up ( not just the seal) if the shrapnel of a pc blowing up can peirce stainless steel, my fat ass dont stand a chance lol
im a little paranoid on the subject, but the seals blowing scared the fuck outta me..
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: ChromeCrow]
#5805177 - 06/29/06 11:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have seen the after effects of a pc exploding. My girlfriends mom does alot of canning and bought one at a yard sale and did not check it over very well before triing it. Something was weak on the pot because it blew once it hit 10 psi and a peice of the pot went into the fridge wich sets right next to the stove. It made it threw the outer wall and into a gallon of milk setting on the top shelf. It looked like one hell of a explosion. I hold alot of respect for these devices and do not even allow my kids in the room when using it. GL
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: kilroy]
#5851637 - 07/12/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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well, now its got a rounded bottom, but it still stands straight up, doesnt look there are any cracks or anything, i just wiped down all the crap that was inside. it rolls around a little bit though, but not enough to fall over. anyone still think i should use it? then damn thing was expensive
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: discostoo]
#5851645 - 07/12/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Throw it away, it's ruined. RR
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5851658 - 07/12/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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see i thought that too, but its kind of flattened out a bit since i screwed it up. i think its still useable..
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: discostoo]
#5852791 - 07/12/06 10:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, it isn't.
If the bottom distorted then the metal has been weakened. I don't just think that you might have wrecked it, I can pretty much guarantee that if you continue to use it, it will rupture.
Metal fatigue + pressure == dead or injured former shroomer.
I know it sucks to throw out a PC but if you don't, you're basically saying your life is worth less.
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5852894 - 07/12/06 10:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Throw it away, it's ruined. RR
Boom,off goes someone's head.
Mybe not that radical but it could be like a cannon ball shoting across the room. Just not worth it to keep it around. Someone getting hurt,cops maybe called and the story goes on.
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: KaptKid]
#5853167 - 07/12/06 11:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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haha damn this sucks. i have two Pan. cyan LCs goin ready to go and now i have to wait to get a new cooker
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: discostoo]
#5853182 - 07/12/06 11:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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mabye ill take it out to a field with a long extension cord and hot plate, let er rip, and video tape from a good ways away. haha see what happens
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: discostoo]
#5853204 - 07/12/06 11:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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there you go, and post it on youtube, so we all can laugh at a mycologists nightmare
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: kilroy]
#10084995 - 04/01/09 01:43 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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It is horrible to see how many people have fallen asleep and almost burnt their houses down. But I am in that category and am just glad I am not the only one who has done it.
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: jdmramon]
#10085048 - 04/01/09 01:59 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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i'm scared shitless of my PC. one day it will get the best of me.
i would NOT use it if it is warped.
if you do not care for your life by all means. Just think about it - weakened metal + tons of pressure inside the pot. it's just a bomb ready to explode.
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: pftek]
#10085291 - 04/01/09 04:15 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I did the same thing. İt was 3 Am. I start to process and forgot to lock the pressure cooker. I boiled one hour then I realized there were no pressure. I start to process again about 4:15 Am , wait for a while to pressure come up and turn down the heater. I set up my cell phone alarm and fall a sleep. After 5 hours I get up. I was so tired and nothing could make me up. So, it was to late. Inside of the PC was completely black and cant clean it.
I called to factory and explain what happens. They offer me to chance PC with half price. I was lucky because my wife was not home and she did not know she's using new PC.
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: videoscop]
#10085306 - 04/01/09 04:21 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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or even this could happen

if u over heat it into madnesss!!!
sorry late night delirium ill be a little more serious from here out
maybe haha
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: LucidLife FRO us]
#10085346 - 04/01/09 04:46 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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tripps4 said: or even this could happen

if u over heat it into madnesss!!!
sorry late night delirium ill be a little more serious from here out
maybe haha
hehe that looks scary
I saved it as my wall paper
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: navyseals101]
#10085390 - 04/01/09 05:17 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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glad to see someone enjoys my delirium
stayin up and ms paint can go a long way lol
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: LucidLife FRO us]
#10085482 - 04/01/09 06:09 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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im glad im not the only one whos ruined a PC because they fell asleep. ive actually used it a couple times after the metal has weakened, didnt actually think that one through.. glad my heads still intact!
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: jadels215]
#10087108 - 04/01/09 01:05 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I always set 2 alarms to go off when the PC is done in case I don't hear one of them or something.If I think I may fall asleep I set my phone as well and keep it right with me just to be safe
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: Blutjager]
#10087149 - 04/01/09 01:13 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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had a buddy pop some morphine and turned the oven on and opend it to heat the jars across the room, it was a cold nite lol, but he passed out for a lil bit lol, nothing burnt, but he woke up sweating balls lol
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: Kendo]
#10087223 - 04/01/09 01:31 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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OMG, just read everyone's posts, I now have a new found respect for my PC. Stoned and paranoid now. Lol
Well, that's it, PC's can kill and are obviously hazardous to the health, I suppose all of our wonderful governments will be making them illegal next.:D
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: SpiritDreamer]
#10087279 - 04/01/09 01:41 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well I wasn't pcing but I was pasteurizing some poo and I feel asleep and the water ran out and it was now good. Woke up to a smoke alarm and a cloud of shit smelling smoke. My pc till this day after many of uses still has black like plastic substances stuck to the side. As for your pc toss it out it is not worth the risk.
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: JMR]
#10087441 - 04/01/09 02:14 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: HerbBaker]
#10087544 - 04/01/09 02:33 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is one reason I will never PC anything if im tired, even with an alarm set I would sleep right through it.
This also makes me wonder if anyone has ever been killed by a PC.
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: HerbBaker]
#10088694 - 04/01/09 05:32 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
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What is the point of this picture,I'm missing something.Does it shut off on its own,and even if it does it looks like it would be too small for mycology,shit my AA 921 runs 4 freaking times in one day if I'm making grain spawn and that thing holds 10 quart jars
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: Blutjager]
#10095564 - 04/02/09 04:23 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: kilroy]
#10095589 - 04/02/09 04:26 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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That makes me glad that I pressure cook outside on a turkey fryer!
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: Oatman2000]
#10095661 - 04/02/09 04:37 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quit showing off Oatman
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: Blutjager]
#10095706 - 04/02/09 04:43 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm saving up for an AA 75x and I'm glad it comes with it's own timer.
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: Spongiform]
#10095712 - 04/02/09 04:44 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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yes, but the timer does NOT shut the unit off.
BE ADVISED
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: Oatman2000]
#10096252 - 04/02/09 06:23 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah. but I'll hear it, as I'm always nearby.
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Re: Do NOT fall asleep while PC'ing or this will happen.... [Re: kilroy]
#10096287 - 04/02/09 06:30 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I did the same thing, my jars were fucked, and the folded hand towel i put down stunk for days.
-------------------- Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. Knowledge without actions is useless, action without knowledge is dangerous. Sapere Aude.
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