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Re: So....Uh....What's going on over in Gaza? [Re: Simisu]
#5798503 - 06/28/06 05:55 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Gilad Shilat = Gavrilo Princip
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Re: So....Uh....What's going on over in Gaza? [Re: ivi]
#5800251 - 06/28/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, here's what my favorite Middle East blogger Juan Cole has to say....
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The Israeli military destroyed 3 bridges that connect Gaza, and knocked out electricity along the coast, as troops made incursions into Gaza.
I don't have time to comment much on all this right now, except to say that the use of force here is all out of proportion. Without electricity, you can't purify water, and uncooked water is a severe health problem, especially to babies. It can ultimately cause cholera.
The incursion was made necessary by the Sharon-Olmert unwise policy of unilateral withdrawal. Unilateral withdrawal means that no structure was put in place for security in the evacuated terrirories, which increasingly look like a failed state, a Somalia. The PLO and Hamas have fought hot encounters recently.
Why would anyone create a failed state all around their house, right in their neighborhood?
The US press has, as far as I can see, been irresponsible in not broadcasting much about the prologue to the present violence, the Israeli military's bombing of civilians on a Gaza beach earlier in the month. This atrocity was on the front page of every Arabic language newspaper every day for a while earlier this month. We cannot understand the region if we cannot understand how outraged they are, and the source of the outrage.
Predictably, the Israeli military's propaganda machine denied responsibility for the beach explosion. Human Rights Watch called the Israeli military inquiry "not plausible" based on its own evidence-gathering at the scene. The Israeli Army has a long history of using plausible deniability to muddy the waters about its accountability in deaths of innocents. If we had videotape of everything they have done in the West Bank and Gaza, we'd be having war crimes trials for the rest of the century. The fact is that Israeli culpability for the Gaza beach incident is, on the evidence gathered independently by HRW at least highly plausible. The press should be looking into it instead of taking talking points from war propaganda offices.
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Re: So....Uh....What's going on over in Gaza? [Re: Nashbar]
#5800333 - 06/28/06 06:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nashbar said: hey, at least "they" aren't killing all the males, raping the women and trying to assimilate the "enemy". Maybe conditions have improved since Jesus or Muhammad times
No, they have not improved, they would if they could but,
Now this is all they are about........
Fuck'n terrorists, I fell bad for Israel that they have to put up with this shit.
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All I know is that is awesome.. that a kidnapping can provoke an incident like that. Israel is fucking hardcore
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Re: So....Uh....What's going on over in Gaza? [Re: Boom]
#5800412 - 06/28/06 06:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hell yeah. They don't take NO shit from NOBODY.
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wow im glad that the usa gave them nukes....
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Re: So....Uh....What's going on over in Gaza? [Re: ZippoZ]
#5800471 - 06/28/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hells yeah boyeeee. I can't wait to see what happens, in the next few days and the coming years...I'm excited.
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oh shit, they killed the hostage......
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zippoz "in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption" "People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
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Re: So....Uh....What's going on over in Gaza? [Re: ZippoZ]
#5800710 - 06/28/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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That is no surprise, what do you expect from terrorist, whatever happens is there fault,
I hope Israel hits them hard,
I am sorry for him and his family, that is fucked up,
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Re: So....Uh....What's going on over in Gaza? [Re: Snaggletooth]
#5800747 - 06/28/06 08:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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IF it even happened. Could be a scapegoat to start an offensive. I get the impression this is a lot of offense to get ONE soldier. Arresting people, blowing up bridges and power plants.....
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Quote:
Penguarky Tunguin said: IF it even happened.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,201437,00.html
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I really hope this is the start of somthing really big. Both sides need to shit or get off the pot and have a huge, winner take all battle royal, apocolyptic blood bath. I'm so sick of this whole situation of half-measures and diplomatic standoffs punctuated by airstrikes and suicide bombings. We should arm the Palestinians with the same weaponry we gave Israel and find out who really wants it the most.
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Re: So....Uh....What's going on over in Gaza? [Re: EmperorKuzco]
#5800799 - 06/28/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Problem with that is it's been going on for far too long. It will not ever end unless an incident of other-worldy significance happens. Until then, they will still fight over this area. It's insane.
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Re: So....Uh....What's going on over in Gaza? [Re: Simisu]
#5800808 - 06/28/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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simisu said: israel takes kidnapes VERY VERY seriusly and wants to "tell" the world and it's citizens that they won't hold back untill they get their people back!
I remember a hijacking 20 or so years ago in which they blew up the plane to make the point that they realy dont negotiate with hijackers
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Re: So....Uh....What's going on over in Gaza? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5800827 - 06/28/06 09:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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True that,
Like with Munich Olympics massacre, 
But they got'm good in the end, very hard core 
I suggest the documentary 50 Year War
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Re: So....Uh....What's going on over in Gaza? [Re: Snaggletooth]
#5800840 - 06/28/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wish america would take similar stands on these issues unfortunately the bleeding hearts always win
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Re: So....Uh....What's going on over in Gaza? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5800868 - 06/28/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The problem is we can never agree with anything,
Might be for the best, if everyone did agree, I see horrible horrible things
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Re: So....Uh....What's going on over in Gaza? [Re: Snaggletooth]
#5800881 - 06/28/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I disagree 
90 million deaths can only benefit the environment
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Re: So....Uh....What's going on over in Gaza? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5800890 - 06/28/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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ahhhh well yes, depends on your perspective,
Ashes to ashes, back to star dust,
I am fine with that, now or later it will happen.
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Re: So....Uh....What's going on over in Gaza? [Re: Snaggletooth]
#5800915 - 06/28/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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And palitinean millitants are claiming to have used CHEMICAL WEAPONS ON ISRAEL!!!!
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticl...&src=rss&rpc=22
" GAZA (Reuters) - A spokesman for gunmen in the Gaza Strip said they had fired a rocket tipped with a chemical warhead at Israel early on Thursday.
The Israeli army had no immediate comment on the claim by the spokesman from the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, an armed wing of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah movement.
The group had recently claimed to possess about 20 biological warheads for the makeshift rockets commonly fired from Gaza at Israeli towns. This was the first time the group had claimed firing such a rocket.
"The al-Aqsa Brigades have fired one rocket with a chemical warhead" at southern Israel, Abu Qusai, a spokesman for the group, said in Gaza.
An Israeli military spokeswoman said the army had not detected that any such rocket was fired, nor was there any report of such a weapon hitting Israel."
however the israelis have not said that such a thing has happened.... so i guess were in the middle on what to believe...
altohugh im astounded at the lack of amercan news coverage on the major networks, cnn, msnbc, and even fox news arent covering it...
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