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Annapurna1
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senate kills flag amendment...
#5796499 - 06/27/06 05:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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thats the good news.. the bad news is that it was by only a single vote.. and next time we might not be so lucky...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060627/ap_on_go_co/flag_amendment
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Senate rejects flag desecration amendment
By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer 21 minutes ago
A constitutional amendment to ban flag desecration died in a Senate cliffhanger Tuesday, a single vote short of the support needed to send it to the states for ratification a week before Independence Day.
The 66-34 tally in favor of the amendment was one less than the two-thirds required. The House surpassed that threshold last year, 286-130.
The proposed amendment, sponsored by Sen. Orrin Hatch (news, bio, voting record), R-Utah, read: "The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States."
It represented Congress' response to Supreme Court rulings in 1989 and 1990 that burning and other desecrations of the flag are protected as free speech by the First Amendment to the Constitution.
Senate supporters said the flag amounts to a national monument in cloth that represents freedom and the sacrifice of American troops.
"Countless men and women have died defending that flag," said Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., closing two days of debate. "It is but a small humble act for us to defend it."
Opponents said the amendment would violate the First Amendment right to free speech. And some Democrats complained that majority Republicans were exploiting people's patriotism for political advantage in the midterm elections.
"Our country's unique because our dissidents have a voice," said Sen. Daniel Inouye (news, bio, voting record), D-Hawaii, a World War II veteran who lost an arm in the war and was decorated with the Medal of Honor.
"While I take offense at disrespect to the flag," he said, "I nonetheless believe it is my continued duty as a veteran, as an American citizen, and as a United States senator to defend the constitutional right of protesters to use the flag in nonviolent speech."
The Senate also rejected an alternative put forward by assistant Democratic leader Dick Durbin of Illinois. It would have made it against the law to damage the flag on federal land or with the intent of breaching the peace or intimidation. It also would have prohibited unapproved demonstrations at military funerals.
The last time the Senate considered the amendment, in 2000, it fell four votes short of what was needed. Both sides predicted rightly before Tuesday's vote that it would get more support.
The last proposed constitutional amendment that Congress sent to the states for ratification was the Equal Rights Amendment in 1972. The normal seven-year deadline for state ratification was extended to 1982, but the ERA couldn't muster the approval of more than 35 state legislatures, three short of the three-fourths of states required under the Constitution.
The 26th Amendment, guaranteeing 18-year-olds the right to vote, was approved by Congress in March 1971 and was ratified by the states less than four months later.
The 27th Amendment, ratified in 1992, was first proposed in 1789. It says pay raises that Congress votes for itself can't take effect until after the next election for members of the House.
The House also got into the July Fourth spirit Tuesday by passing on a voice vote a measure that would bar condominium and homeowner associations from restricting how the flag can be displayed.
Sponsored by Rep. Roscoe Bartlett (news, bio, voting record), R-Md., the resolution would prohibit those groups from preventing residents from displaying an American flag on their own property. The Senate is considering whether to bring up the measure this year.
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The proposed flag amendment is S.J. Res. 12.
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Re: senate kills flag amendment... [Re: Annapurna1]
#5796835 - 06/27/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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not often that annapurna gets to agree with me, somebody mark a calender
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The_Red_Crayon
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Re: senate kills flag amendment... [Re: Annapurna1]
#5797366 - 06/27/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The question is why is this even being debated when their is far more important things.
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Annapurna1
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Re: senate kills flag amendment... [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#5797412 - 06/27/06 09:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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the answer is because there are far more important things...its a red herring tied to a hand grenade...
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Re: senate kills flag amendment... [Re: Annapurna1]
#5797469 - 06/27/06 10:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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elected officials vote to continue to permit the burning of a state symbol as a form of political protest?
we are definitely living under fascism.
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Annapurna1
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Re: senate kills flag amendment... [Re: wilshire]
#5797515 - 06/27/06 10:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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this time around..im happy to say that i was wrong...and im praying that im not proven right when this bill comes up again next year...
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Re: senate kills flag amendment... [Re: Annapurna1]
#5797582 - 06/27/06 10:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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It might not come back if the dems can win a majority in the house or senate this year.
Americans want the war stopped, and they know the dems will do it.
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Re: senate kills flag amendment... [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5797688 - 06/27/06 11:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The Dems won't stop the war. Only a few outspoken Democrats are against the war publicly.
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Re: senate kills flag amendment... [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5797848 - 06/27/06 11:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Microcosmatrix said: It might not come back if the dems can win a majority in the house or senate this year.
Americans want the war stopped, and they know the dems will do it.
Most Democrats voted against establishing a set date for troop withdrawal.
In all actuality, I don't think it makes much of a difference what party is in power in terms of the ending to the Iraq War. We are already in the middle of this idiotic decision (which a good amount of Democrats supported at the beginning) and I doubt many career-minded politicians would pull out American troops and leave Iraq to be swarmed by a brutal insurgency, whether they be Democrat or Republican.
That is how America suffers for voting Republicans into office in the first place, though.
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Re: senate kills flag amendment... [Re: Ravus]
#5797876 - 06/27/06 11:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Redeployment of troops in Iraq by 2007 - Vote Rejected (13-86, 1 Not Voting)
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The_Red_Crayon
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Re: senate kills flag amendment... [Re: Ravus]
#5797917 - 06/28/06 12:02 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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you can vote either the lying sacks of shit or the lying pieces of shit. Its your choice.
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Re: senate kills flag amendment... [Re: Annapurna1]
#5797919 - 06/28/06 12:03 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Annapurna1 said: the answer is because there are far more important things...its a red herring tied to a hand grenade...
Holy shit! Mark you calendars, cuz this is twice that I've agreed with Annapurna in one thread!
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Re: senate kills flag amendment... [Re: Silversoul]
#5798198 - 06/28/06 01:52 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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"Holy shit! Mark you calendars, cuz this is twice that I've agreed with Annapurna in one thread!" -- Silversoul Aw, Annapurna's good folks.
I think it's nice they've upheld the first amendment. The fact that it's only because a two-thirds majority is required is pretty disheartening, though. Ah well, it probably smells pretty nasty when you burn it, anyway. One thing I've learned; burning nasty-smelling things (such as tires) in the middle of a demonstration where your mobility is seriously limited by the ranks of cops around you = a good way to get a massive headache and a sore throat.
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Re: senate kills flag amendment... [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#5798385 - 06/28/06 04:06 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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> you can vote either the lying sacks of shit or the lying pieces of shit. Its your choice.
Hehe... We can vote for the floaters or vote for the sinkers, but we are still voting for pieces of shit.
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Re: senate kills flag amendment... [Re: Annapurna1]
#5802491 - 06/29/06 09:07 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I like Stephen Colbert's idea. Let's make a flag out of detonator wicks, and cover the whole thing in nitroglycerin. That way, if anyone tries to burn the flag, the flag burns them back.
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