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Re: the fall and eve [Re: mr_kite]
#5795880 - 06/27/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"gee, girls, maybe if you had invented writing, you could have set the record straight. To the victor go the spoils. Tough titty, bitches."
I sadly reminisce about a time when women came on S&P too, prior to sexist jackasses making them feel unwelcome with their towering displays of idiocy 
And now fully half of the possible perspectives on spiritual and philosophical affairs are too disgusted to be bothered posting. 
I was hoping to keep my number of posts at 420 for a little longer, but I felt that needed to be said.
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Re: the fall and eve [Re: Silversoul]
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DoctorJ said: no, I've never considered that
teach me more, oh benevolent master
Apparently you haven't heard the Sethian version of the story. According to it, the God in the garden of Eden(and the whole Old Testament) was the Demiurge, a false God who decieves us into acceptance of the physical world as reality. The serpent is actually Christ, who seeks to liberate mankind with gnosis, so he tells Adam and Eve to eat from the Tree of Knowledge(gnosis), thus allowing them to understand their true form.
now that's a cool story, though I do believe its kind of disrespectful to big G.
by the way, I know seth, and he's an asshole. A fun asshole, but an asshole nonetheless.
No, the truth is that everything was once perfect, and in disobeying God, man fell from perfection.
For the past several hundred thousand years man has been trying to climb back up to God so we can be perfect again.
Was the fall supposed to happen? I believe so. It created a diversity that didn't exist in God's original creation.
But that doesn't mean that man is supposed to keep falling. We're supposed to get out of God's debt so we can truly be free.
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Re: the fall and eve [Re: DoctorJ]
#5795935 - 06/27/06 01:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"No, the truth is that everything was once perfect, and in disobeying God, man fell from perfection."
Um, that's YOUR truth, not mine, pal. If you want to claim bits of scripture as absolute truth, there's a forum for that.
"For the past several hundred thousand years man has been trying to climb back up to God so we can be perfect again."
Then why does (hu)man(kind) keep moving away from how we were before biting the apple, towards arrogance and the pursuit of knowledge and clothes and the like? Seems like if the lot of us were really striving for the pre-apple perfection, we'd embrace our naked-ape-yness instead of disdaining it and finding it distasteful.
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Re: the fall and eve [Re: Panoramix]
#5795991 - 06/27/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd say the bible and adam an eve, can only be taken metaphorically, the story is to illustrate some point, that deception was born in this world through womens role, women have the power to manipulate situations easier, because they play a different role than man, as acquiring their approval, If we were perfect, we would be like animals or something, implying consiousness has to be decided by God, not just evolutionary process of cause n effect, if this was the case, then animals would also evolve into higher levels of intelligence, for the most part, for what I observed I've seen their evolution come to a limit
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Re: the fall and eve [Re: DoctorJ]
#5795996 - 06/27/06 02:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just for the record, no one person invented writing, and we have no way of knowing the genders of those who first created it.
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Re: the fall and eve [Re: Silversoul]
#5796033 - 06/27/06 02:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"for the most part, for what I observed I've seen their evolution come to a limit..." --Capliberty
Vonnegut made the same mistake in Galapagos, assuming that the forms animals have now are somehow finished products. I mean, look at an ostrich. Does that seem like a finished product to you, or something on it's way to being something less awkward and goofy-looking?
"then animals would also evolve into higher levels of intelligence..." -- Capliberty
Well, give 'em a minute, wouldja?! I mean, think about it, sophisticated human intelligence came about over the course of only the last 750 000 - 500 000 years or so. The blink of an eye, on an evolutionary scale of time. Dolphins are trying to catch up but lack the manipulator-limbs to make their intelligence easily recognizable. Chimps make and use simple tools. Elephants display a wide range of emotion. And little invertebrate octopuses pull off some brilliant shit that makes me question the whole 'Spines are required for a sophisticated nervous system' thing. They're on their way to 'higher' intelligence, provided we don't wipe the lot of them out before they get the opportunity.
"Just for the record, no one person invented writing, and we have no way of knowing the genders of those who first created it." -- Silversoul
Thank you for making that point. The original poster's premise is based on fallacious assumptions.
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Re: the fall and eve [Re: Silversoul]
#5796068 - 06/27/06 02:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: Just for the record, no one person invented writing, and we have no way of knowing the genders of those who first created it.
really now. You think there is a possibility that a woman invented writing?
OK, I'll give you that. But I think its a very slim possibility.
Only men have the innate cognitive skill set to achieve something like that. I'll give women credit for art, maybe even music, but writing is a male doctrine.
how many women are writing on this forum right now? huh? what's the ratio of male to female in a forum like this?
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Re: the fall and eve [Re: mr_kite]
#5796080 - 06/27/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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And its not like women aren't still treacherous thieves. No less than 10 years ago, some whore tried to steal my inheritance, the universe, and even my very soul. In doing so, she basically doomed women to damnation for many millenia to come. Nice goin, sweetheart
That's mental!
That's completely mental.
if only that were true. Sadly many people including her herself have confirmed that she basically went into our relationship with the intention of taking everything I have, everything I am, and everything I will be. Taking it through treachery. Even after we broke up, I had to listen to her and her friends laugh about how she stole my soul, stole my balls, blah blah, blah, blah.
That was my introduction to women. Taught me exactly what they are.
I remember I used to pull wads of money from my pocket and her eyes would light up like a demons. She was so impressed with wealth, it was sickening. Its just pieces of paper, you dumb whore.
people in mi familia print those pieces of paper. Truth is, we make vastly more important things than money.
So anyways, these days I only trust women as far as I can throw them. Anyone who has a problem with that, talk to her. She's the reason for my mysogyny.
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Re: the fall and eve [Re: DoctorJ]
#5796089 - 06/27/06 03:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, give 'em a minute, wouldja?! I mean, think about it, sophisticated human intelligence came about over the course of only the last 750 000 - 500 000 years or so. The blink of an eye, on an evolutionary scale of time. Dolphins are trying to catch up but lack the manipulator-limbs to make their intelligence easily recognizable. Chimps make and use simple tools. Elephants display a wide range of emotion. And little invertebrate octopuses pull off some brilliant shit that makes me question the whole 'Spines are required for a sophisticated nervous system' thing. They're on their way to 'higher' intelligence, provided we don't wipe the lot of them out before they get the opportunity.
I know that your pro animal an all, I like animals too, I don't know you seem to think I'm some animal hater, but if you think that animals are going to evolve into something close to human intelligence, there is going to be tigra, liono, chitera, wily kid and wily cat and some teenage mutant ninja turtles coming ahead, I just don't see it, animals are meant to be animals, they'll evolve to a certain degree but will always remain animals,
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Re: the fall and eve [Re: capliberty]
#5796190 - 06/27/06 03:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Only men have the innate cognitive skill set to achieve something like that. I'll give women credit for art, maybe even music, but writing is a male doctrine.
how many women are writing on this forum right now? huh? what's the ratio of male to female in a forum like this?" -- Doctor J
Wow. Wow!  Where do I even begin with refuting such a skewed and hateful post? I truly pity you, as your post makes it clear you've never come across any brilliant women in your time. You've let one bad experience with a woman totally bias you as to the intellectual capacity of over half of humanity. The three smartest people I know are women, and just try telling my demi-genius law school sister she lacks the capacity to write creatively. She can write better than you can in two different languages. As for the ratio of women to men on this forum, it used to be a lot closer. I think it was the way guys would just hit on any woman who posted here that drove them away, initially. And jackasses like yourself posting sexist bullcrap with fear of repercussions is what keeps them away. Congrats, you needn't fear the hated influence of the feminine anymore, as your blantant hostility towards it keeps it from finding cause to express itself to you, and, sadly, to the rest of us on this forum as well.
"I know that your pro animal an all, I like animals too, I don't know you seem to think I'm some animal hater, but if you think that animals are going to evolve into something close to human intelligence, there is going to be tigra, liono, chitera, wily kid and wily cat and some teenage mutant ninja turtles coming ahead, I just don't see it, animals are meant to be animals, they'll evolve to a certain degree but will always remain animals" --Capliberty
I don't think you're an animal-hater, man. I just think you don't give life as a whole nearly enough credit by assuming that humankind is somehow unique and our degree of intelligence is irreplicable. To assume that evolution has a limit when it comes to animals is to say that evolution only applies to people. And if you buy into evolution at all, you know that isn't true. Plus you totally ignored my examples. What about the chimps that craft little termite-catchers and other crude tools? That's allowing them to get a more protein-rich diet, which will in turn allow for a more expansive brain, which will in turn allow for more spohisticated tools which will allow for greater diversity of proteins and so on.
And what's that tigra, liono stuff? I have no clue what you're talking about, there.
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Re: the fall and eve [Re: Panoramix]
#5796204 - 06/27/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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so basically, you are saying that women don't post here because they are scared of the opinions of people like me.
Even if that were true (which it isn't), who's fault is it that they are scared of opinions they don't agree with?
People call me all kinds of things on this board. I don't care. Women could learn a lesson from my attitude. but instead, they run away! They run away from anything they find unpleasant. worthless bitches.
The real reason women don't post here is because the vast majority of them are too busy getting their nails painted and watching 'Sex in the City' to care about the meaning of life, the universe, and everything.
Are there brilliant women? Yes, and I have met quite a few of them. I believe I am with one right now. But the vast majority are animals. Fucking ho-ass cheerleaders. My new GF hates them just as much as I do.
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Re: the fall and eve [Re: DoctorJ]
#5796215 - 06/27/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: Women could learn a lesson from my attitude.
What? That ignorance and bigotry make you enlightened?
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Re: the fall and eve [Re: Silversoul]
#5796223 - 06/27/06 03:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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no, more like, "Don't give a fuck what others think, especially when you know you're right."
they can have their opinions, and I can have mine.
or would you prefer we all mix into a grey soup and have no individual identities?
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Re: the fall and eve [Re: DoctorJ]
#5796233 - 06/27/06 04:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think you should care about what others think, in case you aren't right(which happens to be the case here).
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Re: the fall and eve [Re: DoctorJ]
#5796248 - 06/27/06 04:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"who's fault is it that they are scared of opinions they don't agree with?"
I don't think it has anything to do with fear, I think it's about disgust. If someone were posting all sorts of racial slurs and demeaning my intelligence due to my race, I'd leave because when it comes down to it, if I'm on a forum to discuss philosophy and spirituality, I'm disinclined to put up with bigotry. I'd go to another forum of the same type on a different site where hatefulness is frowned upon.
"But the vast majority are animals."  Such broad, dehumanizing generalizations, it's repulsive! Such a willingness to judge others based on scanty evidence! Sure, there are lots of brainless ladies. There are lots of brainless men, too, though. Gender just plain shouldn't be the key criteria by which someone's intelligence is judged.
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Re: the fall and eve [Re: Panoramix]
#5796286 - 06/27/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok, if its disgust and not fear, then your phantom ladies suffer from a lack of compassion rather than a lack of courage.
can you not accept the fact that almost every woman I've known has unjustly put me through a lot of fucked up shit? Are you too afraid to admit that my mysogyny does have some basis in fact?
And yes, the vast majority of humans (males included) are animals.
but I have found that men are more receptive to salvation than women.
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Re: the fall and eve [Re: DoctorJ]
#5796384 - 06/27/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Woman er only half human n' don't get me started on dem neggers!
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MushmanTheManic said: Woman er only half human n' don't get me started on dem neggers!
And don't forget the Jews. They're always plotting against everyone else.
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Re: the fall and eve [Re: Silversoul]
#5796458 - 06/27/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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sPeakin ov plots dos sneaky slit eyed Pearl harbor exploders r awfully plotful make me wanna wrestle a bobcat goshdarnit
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Re: the fall and eve [Re: Silversoul]
#5796464 - 06/27/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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to an extent, you are right, silversoul. I am wrong to apply my specific experiences in a general way.
but hey, that's the data I have.
thank God I found some 'new evidence', and you can bet I will 'examine' her thouroughly 
she really is a sweetheart. She's slowly but surely restoring my faith in women.
Still though, I will never forget the fucked up things that women (teachers, mothers, sisters, girlfriends, etc) have done to me. A lot of women have fucked me over big time, and that has effected my opinion of women as a whole, for in operating a human mind, I am subject to human ways of thiunking (schemas, predjudice, etc)
You're really cool, dude, but you seem sheltered and naive. I only hope that you don't have to go through what I have. I could write a whole book about how women have royally screwed me over. Anyway, the moral of the story is: watch your back when it comes to women! I'd really hate to see a nice guy like you get fucked the way I have been.
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