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shamantra
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Cannabis question
#5795157 - 06/27/06 08:53 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I moved a lowryder x ak47 outdoors 1 week ago. The plant had been flowering for 15 days indoors under 600W HPS. It was a nice and green plant now its an all purple plant. It gets alot of sunshine and it seems to grow well otherwise. buds are growing rapidly and all is well. So why does it turn purple?
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Re: Cannabis question [Re: shamantra]
#5795320 - 06/27/06 09:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It gets below 65f at night where your at. Low temps causes purple colors in a lot of strains.
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Re: Cannabis question [Re: Magash]
#5795525 - 06/27/06 11:13 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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65f is around 18C. yeah that sounds logical. how does this affect the plant?
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Re: Cannabis question [Re: shamantra]
#5795607 - 06/27/06 11:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea, Lowryder has a purple pheno.
What other characteristics does it have? Indica or Sativa type leaves? Lanky or squat? Lowryders is only stabilized to Autoflower, There are a plethora of expressions for lowryder.
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i can post a picture instead. ill do it tomorrow. i checked the temps outdoors now (4:20am) and its 9C pretty cold this late in june but its been cloudy all day.
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Re: Cannabis question [Re: shamantra]
#5799342 - 06/28/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here is my Lowryder, The left is the Sativa pheno, (see the long internodal development, and the long leaves) and on the right is the Indica pheno (Shorter, fatter leaves, Etc)
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Re: Cannabis question [Re: shamantra]
#5799489 - 06/28/06 01:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its not just a purple phenotype, any strain of cannabis can attain purple coloration through low night temps. The way I understand it, the cold temperatures cause the plant to store its sugars in the leaves, causing a purple hue.
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Re: Cannabis question [Re: shamantra]
#5800324 - 06/28/06 06:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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is the bud purple or the leaf? ak-47 has very dark leaves sometimes with a almost purple tinge.
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Re: Cannabis question [Re: ClammyJoe]
#5800629 - 06/28/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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TheMadConductor said: Its not just a purple phenotype, any strain of cannabis can attain purple coloration through low night temps.
I have never heard of this before.
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Re: Cannabis question [Re: ClammyJoe]
#5800698 - 06/28/06 08:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Actually the cold can bring on purple in a few ways and most common is to bring phosphorus to the leaf skin so to say. Many strains can have the purple colors come out in 100f weather if you manipulate the nutes right. Now most true strains will not turn purple no matter what you do. the reason there are so many purple strains out now is that almost every one of em if not every one of em has either Afghani, NL, skunk #1 in em.
Now what do those strains have in common? They all have Afghani in em. What most people don't seem to realize is there is only one true indica plant on the planet and that is Afghani. (before anybody spits out Kush it comes from Pakistan which is in the same mountain range).
Now look at all the big purple strains out and track down the genetics and what will they all have in common ?
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Re: Cannabis question [Re: Magash]
#5800768 - 06/28/06 08:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's more of what I thought Magash. All the 'strains' with a purple pheno, share the same 'grandparents'.
But this part got me wondering...
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Magash said: (before anybody spits out Kush it comes from Pakistan which is in the same mountain range).
What about the Afganica?
I'm pretty sure that Ruderalis is just an autoflowering sativa. I have read that Ruderalis is closer to sativa then Indica genetically, so is the Afganica just an off shoot of Indica?
Sorry if I'm jacking the post, and if u prefer to start a topic similar to "Magash's thoughts on MJ genetic history" I would love to read it.
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its the leafes that are purple not the buds, the buds has white, red and orange hairs on it. im working on uploading a pic, i just have moved to a new place and all things are packet together in boxes so im looking for my usb cable to my camera heh
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I'm pretty sure that Ruderalis is just an autoflowering sativa. I have read that Ruderalis is closer to sativa then Indica genetically, so is the Afganica just an off shoot of Indica? You got it. 
Sorry if I'm jacking the post, and if u prefer to start a topic similar to "Magash's thoughts on MJ genetic history" I would love to read it.
Well it's not really my thoughts but more a over use of certain strains in the background of to many of todays strains. most often Afghani was used to lower the flowering times of many of the long flowering sativas. I don't really have a p[problem with that I guess but in many strains a South African sativa would have been better. They also have short flowering times but would have kept the sativa high of many strains more pure.
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Re: Cannabis question [Re: Magash]
#5801644 - 06/29/06 12:52 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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dont worry about jacking the post hehe, but is ak47 sativa dominant strain? the leaves on my plant looks mostly like sativa, the plant is 62 cm tall today, i was just outside to check it. its defently autoflowering because it has no night circle (im in the arctics) it gets the only reason why it doesnt have 24 hrs sunlight is because of one moutain in rhw way of the sun.
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Re: Cannabis question [Re: shamantra]
#5801671 - 06/29/06 01:00 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Your on top of it shamantra, yes AK is a sativa dom strain. AK is a mix of Columbian, Mexican, Thai, and Afghani.
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Re: Cannabis question [Re: Magash]
#5801749 - 06/29/06 01:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks, i feel very good because of this plant, it looks better than anything ive tried before. it smells great it looks great and its scheduled to be finished with drying and all on my birthday
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Re: Cannabis question [Re: shamantra]
#5801778 - 06/29/06 01:45 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Cannabis question [Re: Magash]
#5801805 - 06/29/06 01:52 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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this autoflowering thing is like god sent to me, im worried about growing indoors as i have kids and I cant afford cops on the door, no buds is worth risking my kids for, and i never imagined i would be able to grow cannabis outdoors so far north. I will be buying seeds now with every paycheck (10 seeds a month) until may next year and do a larger grow next year.
Another question tho, i havent fertilized the cannabis once, it has been repottet twice but other than that I have only given it water. It stands outdoors in a 15 liters pot, It seems fine but I dont know if I should feed it or not. IM thinking why do somthing when everything looks good but on the other hand you have will the result be even better if I feed it.. I heard this plant was very sensitive to nutes i dont know if that is true or not.
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Re: Cannabis question [Re: shamantra]
#5801826 - 06/29/06 01:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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There's a new 100% AF coming out sometime this year too, it's called ''bluestreak'', it's Masterlow X Blueberry, ("masterlow" is master kush X lowryder), it's supposed to be the most potent stabilized AF out so far.
And definately dont keep buying seeds. Just save the best males pollen and then get a small paintbrush and just pollinate a few buds on the females you like the best, free seeds. And you can select better and better traits as you go along to tailor it your needs and it's conditions outdoors.
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Re: Cannabis question [Re: Anonymous]
#5801979 - 06/29/06 02:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks for the tip paradis (and for the tip on pm) I will be looking out for it. I will concider breeding . I thought about saving some pollen from one of the males I got and try to pollinate just one branch of the plant actually but I didnt i was afraid i was going to fuck it up and have seedet buds on the entire plant. But is it ok to just use pollen from same seed batch? i was also thinking that could give a lot of hermies. i grew some northern light x shiva (i think it was) once and got seeds by accident. i tried to grow the seeds and the result of that was very poor. I had hermies and the plant seemed, well, shitty. I thought it was inbreed or something like that
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Re: Cannabis question [Re: Anonymous]
#5802584 - 06/29/06 09:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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paradis said: There's a new 100% AF coming out sometime this year too, it's called ''bluestreak'', it's Masterlow X Blueberry, ("masterlow" is master kush X lowryder), it's supposed to be the most potent stabilized AF out so far.
Well I know there are a shit TON of AF strains out there now, but no one ever releases them. I've never seen Powerstout 4 sale, but I see grows all the time. I'm pretty sure that I read that Mazdig(sp??) is producing the 'Blue Streak', but as far as 'soon to be released' well that all depends on your idea of 'soon'. Although Mazdig should be quick with the seeds.
I am not really complaining, I would rather a seed wholesaler produce literally a dump truck full of seeds, then distribute, rather than something they would sell out of in 3-6 months. If they don't produce enough, then they start losing out to F2 producers, & the genetic attributes the original breeder spent so much time perfecting (to there own tastes, of ofcourse ) is lost.
Also, I wish someone would have turned Lowryder into an IBL(In breed line). I think Low was ONLY created to be a stepping stone to AF. Mind you, its a BIG step, but it is so genetically diverse that I have no doubt that each plant could produce VERY different smoke (Canabinoid profiles).
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fertilize. give them something high in phosphorus since you are flowering now. it will make a big difference in how much bud you get. that potting soil aint shit for nutes. you need to add SOMETHING.
N-P-K ratio of your fertilizer should have very little nitrogen and little potassium, but lots and lots of phosphorus. look for big number in the middle and small numbers on outside.
remember, not enough is better than too much. so dont over do it.
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Yeah, but most of those ''autoflower'' crosses have low rates of actual autoflowering, they are not stabilised. Some are as high as 50%, most are only 25% at best though. The only ones really available that are 100% autoflower are Lowryder, Masterlow, and Powerstout, and next will be BlueStreak.
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Also, I wish someone would have turned Lowryder into an IBL(In breed line)......... it is so genetically diverse that I have no doubt that each plant could produce VERY different smoke (Canabinoid profiles).
Yeah, but that's what I like about it. Everyone can tailor it to their own conditions through breeding, that's the whole concept of it. And the main guys who breed it ( Joint Doctor and Mdanzig) will even tell you to breed your own, I'm sure they wouldnt mind if you bought their seeds but they definately encourage people to supply themselves with seeds instead. That's really the only way the AF strains will get any better with any actual rate of progress/speed. If, you cross LR with a non-AF the seeds from the first cross will not be autoflower unless the non-af strain you crossed it with have recessive AF genes as well. You'd need to grow those seeds out and cross with another 100% af, after that you'll have about 25% AF, and each time you backcross it it'll get a little higher in AF %.
My favorite lowryder pheno is the lemon sativa one.* If you find that in one of your batches, then breed it with one of the tallest males.
*edit: just to for clarification I only sampled 3 phenos though, but the lemon oen was the best out of those three
Edited by paradis (06/29/06 11:41 PM)
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