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Intense and scary salvia trip - written by the sitter
#5794889 - 06/27/06 03:55 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is a report on a trip not experienced by me, but by my close friend and roommate K.
Background: Earlier in the day K and I were at the beach where she took 1 hit of LSD at around 3PM, and had a mild trip. At around 1:30 AM, she decided to smoke around 1/10, possibly a little more, of salvia 21x extract that i had purchased earlier in the day. This was her first time smoking salvia, and my first time trip sitting someone on the drug.
Her first hit she held in for around 15 seconds, and seemed to be pretty normal. She then took a second hit but exhaled immediately, followed by a 3rd and final hit which she also exhaled very quickly. After the third hit I reached to take my bubbler from her to make sure she didn't drop it or anything during her trip. She reached to hand it to me but when i grabbed it she would not let go, and then proceeded to turn it upside down dumping the water all over a pillow she was sitting on. When this was happening she had a very lost look in her eyes, and was staring at the floor or possibly the wall.
30 seconds to a minute after taking her hits she was talking and leaning against the wall. She said something a long the lines of "everything up to this point isn't real and has been a joke". This confused me greatly and I reminded her to relax and breathe. She still had this very lost look in her eyes.
After mumbling that nothing was real she sat up and moved and sat only a few inches from where I was. She stared directly at my face, but I couldn't tell just what she was looking at. This started to make me very uncomfortable and again i reminded her to lay down and relax, but it seemed like she didn't hear a word that i said, which i later learned was the case.
After staring into my face, which was about 1.5-2 minutes into the trip, she fell back against the wall, and started mumbling words that made no sense at all. Now It was obvious that she was experiencing a very powerful trip and i started to become worried, but she still seemed comfortable on her pillow leaning on the wall so I did not interfere, but watched cautiously.
After mumbling a bunch of nonsense she stood up, and said "I'm tired, I'm going to go to my room and sleep". I knew she was still in the middle of a very strong trip and i stood up with her and told her to just lay down breathe and relax. She then immediately went to the closet door of my room and opened it and tried to walk in. I said "that's the closet K" but she didn't seem to hear anything i said. She then went to the door of my room and headed out towards the living room. I said "where are you going?" and she finally responded to me saying "I'm going to find J" (J being myself) This was very odd because I had by been her side the entire time, she was even staring at me just a minute before, though i also later learned that it wasn't really me she was staring at.
She ran into the living room and started to head directly for the door saying in a very frustrated/angry voice that she was leaving to go find me. She opened the door in a sort of panic and I immediately grabbed her to keep her from running out into the street, or possibly falling down our stairs, I was started to get very scared and worried. I grabbed her and pulled her back into our apartment and she immediately said "it's all melting now" and fell down onto her knees. Immediately after that she seemed to snap out of the trip and was able to recognize my presence and that I was not actually lost. This entire ordeal lasted around five minutes.
Now for her side of the story, here is the best description she was able to give me of the trip she experienced.
From the start, she does not remember taking more than one hit of the Salvia, but claims that when I tried to remove the bubbler from her hands she was plummeted into a new dimension. In this new dimension the wall she was leaning against was actually a dark eternal void, along with this eternal void of emptiness she saw what she says were pages, and these pages contained the reality that we live in. She then said that she was hearing a man's voice coming from the corner of my room. This voice told her that everything in life was not real, and that I was also not real. The voice also told her that she had to make a choice between these worlds.
Her memory is hazy but she claims that when she was sitting inches from my face staring at me, she could not see my body, only my head. My head was also surrounded by what she described to be an electric net circling around me. The voice telling her that I was not real got her extremely scared, and this seems to be what prompted her to try to escape my room (the alternate dimension for her) and try to leave our house in order to go searching for me.
She has no recollection of every trying to walk into my closet, or even leaving my room and trying to go outside and me grabbing her. She says after staring at my face covered by the electric net the only thing she remembered happening next was the world melting and her falling down onto her knees right after I had brought her back into the apartment, the end of the trip.
During this entire trip she was extremely frightened. She said she felt as though She had been completely removed from our world, and this voice had convinced her that I was not real, and the thought of having lost me forever had hurt her very deeply. Then she remembered feelings of anger and not wanting to be in that world with the void any longer, and wanting to find me and return to reality. Which explains her saying "I'm going to find J" and trying to run out of the apartment so hastily.
Overall this experience was a very scary and stressful one for both of us, but we both came out with a HUGE respect for salvia, a new found appreciation of the reality that we live in.
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Re: Intense and scary salvia trip - written by the sitter [Re: jaredman]
#5794897 - 06/27/06 04:08 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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so you were completely lucid by this point?
you aren't technically a "sitter" if you are under the influence of LSD.
and i just want to let you know that even 20X can be smoked moderately in very small ammounts. and can last a very long time. you don't have to smoke it like you are always trying to break the ego barrier.
it is possible to actually enjoy the experience.
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Re: Intense and scary salvia trip - written by the sitter [Re: Mitchnast]
#5794933 - 06/27/06 05:13 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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no I had not taken any drugs. She had taken the acid earlier with another friend, I was the driver. And just getting fucked up and removing her ego wern't the goals of this trip, she started it with no expectations.
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Re: Intense and scary salvia trip - written by the sitter [Re: jaredman]
#5795023 - 06/27/06 07:00 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wonder how people are able to walk when they are blasted out. Maybe subconsciousness take over and desperately seeks safety if one is not prepared for such intense experience?
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Re: Intense and scary salvia trip - written by the sitter [Re: Kras]
#5795716 - 06/27/06 12:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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somnambulism. sleepwalking. the enacting of a trained sequences of motor coordination with spatial reactivity while the subject is unconscious.
normal in level 6 level 6 is not reccommended. the psychonaut had much too much salvia 20x over an already raised baseline from the lsd.
the sitter was essential and forced to perform duty.
more care next time with dosage please. salvinorin is not dangerous biochemically to the body but using too much at once is a waste of goodness all around.
turning the waterpipe over was a wonderfully elf-ish gesture as she left our universe.
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Re: Intense and scary salvia trip - written by the sitter [Re: redgreenvines]
#5795731 - 06/27/06 12:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Amazingly fascinating.
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Re: Intense and scary salvia trip - written by the sitter [Re: astraalialma]
#5795853 - 06/27/06 01:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Interesting, but it is best if you just close your eyes and sit in silence.
She didn't understand anything you were saying because even on small doses of Salvia language becomes unintelligible. The mind is completely focused on the sense of urgency that is strangely there on the beginning part of every trip. All she heard were sounds, but did not even take the time to comprehend them.
Also, i could not imagine getting up and walking or even talking a lot while in a full blown Salvia trip. The gravity is so great that i feel paralyzed, and my eyes even feel too heavy to open. I am sure if i fought the pull that i could move around VERY uncomfortably, and probably feel like i was in some sort of confused/hell alternate universe. I have never attempted to do anything other than lay down or sit while on Salvia.
Good thing she had a sitter!
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Re: Intense and scary salvia trip - written by the sitter [Re: avapxia]
#5796334 - 06/27/06 04:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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turning the waterpipe over was a wonderfully elf-ish gesture as she left our universe.
YUP
High doses seem to defeat the purpose. The trick is to work your way up from small doses to achieve the right level. Peace
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Re: Intense and scary salvia trip - written by the sitter [Re: Kras]
#5796356 - 06/27/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kras said: I wonder how people are able to walk when they are blasted out. Maybe subconsciousness take over and desperately seeks safety if one is not prepared for such intense experience?
This is one of the things that we talked about after the trip. One of the strangest things was when she said "i'm tired i need to go to sleep". She had no idea she had actually said that, and dosn't know who she was saying it to. Afterwards she told me that at times when she feels ill she goes into her room to lay down and escape things for a while, it almost seemed like some part of her mind was still coherent and she knew she was tripping and needed to relax, but the rest of her was being controled by the salvia. Instinct maybe?
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Re: Intense and scary salvia trip - written by the sitter [Re: jaredman]
#5796779 - 06/27/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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IMHO, the salvia gravity lifts slightly near the end of the experience. It's at this point that the dis-associative effects take over. That is when people tend to move around, and can easily hurt themselves. It's at this point that the sitter becomes an invaluable tool. Lift, Split, Pin( down). Maybe the gravity is a good thing!! Peace and safe journey to all
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Re: Intense and scary salvia trip - written by the sitter [Re: deadheadjpc2000]
#5798545 - 06/28/06 06:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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What about in zero gravity?
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Re: Intense and scary salvia trip - written by the sitter [Re: jaredman]
#8668119 - 07/22/08 02:51 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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So I just had my first Salvia trip last night and can relate to your friend who was tripping. I had come across some article on the internet that had mentioned salvia so I decided to do some research and try it. I went to the local head shop and picked up some purple sticky 40x (it was recommended by the guy working there who had not done it, but said it was the most popular). I get home and my wife said she would be my babysitter. I am a very experienced drug user who has babysat many, many times for people on mind altering drugs. My wife is not experienced. I hit a small amount from the pipe and nothing. I decided to take a bigger hit and not a lot happened. About 20 mins later I take a really big pipe hit and got the feeling like I was coming off mushrooms..no big deal. I am talking to a friend on the phone 3 hours later about my semi disappointment when I decide to try it again, this time out of my bong. My wife is asleep on the couch in the next room, but I can see her. I take a medium size hit and once again feeling like coming off mushrooms with some heavy gravity effect. Cool I think. I tell my friend on the phone about my experience. 30 mins later I decide to try it a 5th and final time for the day. No one on the phone, no one in the room. I put a ice cube in the bong and take a serious rip, hold it in for about 20 seconds. As I exhale the smoke I start to fall into another place. Its like a mushroom peak, but instead of gradually getting there, I went from 0-60 in 1 second. The bed I'm sitting on turns to a nice patch of green grass and I start to giggle. Everything in the room has its own energy and I can now see it. I look up and see my wife sleeping in the next room and I feel like I am going to a different place without her and I feel sad. I think that if I wake her she will be there in the same state of mind as I am in. I try to wake her by willing her with my mind. Strange, that doesn't seem to work. So I get up, run to her and poke her in the foot. She still doesn't wake up. I then grab her foot and shake it (kinda hard she said). She wakes up to me saying "I'm on drugs, please come with me, I don't want to leave you". She tells me to sit down and breath with my eyes closed, so I do. I can feel myself start to gain control of the drug and I start to giggle again. My wife told me later how scared she was because I looked all white-eyed and couldn't respond to the things she would say. She said I kept clawing at the couch too but I don't remember that. What a strange drug. I think next time I will be more mentally prepared and with a more prepared sitter.
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Re: Intense and scary salvia trip - written by the sitter [Re: Kras]
#8671166 - 07/23/08 10:34 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kras said: I wonder how people are able to walk when they are blasted out. Maybe subconsciousness take over and desperately seeks safety if one is not prepared for such intense experience?
That could be it. I remember after my paralysis, I stood up and felt like my arms and legs were swinging madly, but I was walking. I was watching myself do it too, stellar.
Also, as a sitter, you should really be warned of what COULD happen. You dealt with it OK, but often times showing fear as a sitter isn't good. (in this case, I don't think it mattered too much) but in future conditions, try to remain calm and reassuring if at all possible.
Nice report though!
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Re: Intense and scary salvia trip - written by the sitter [Re: RasJeph]
#8675302 - 07/24/08 06:36 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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an old friend visited yesterday, my wife convinced him to try salvia.
at first we smoked a joint of 3x, but he did not feel anything
we smoked another - still he admitted no effect.
so I gave him a double hit of my salvinorin paper which gets most people. he said it had no effect.
so I gave him 4 times my dose (1500mics salvinorin - i fly nicely at 350 mics) after smoking it in one puff, he relaxed as the other times for a minute and seemed to be observing something intently for a minute.
then he got up out of his chair and moved towards the sliding door an grabbed the handle. I asked him if he wanted to go inside, and he answered yes after some deliberation, I took his arm gently, and told him than he wanted to sit down which he managed after some confusion.
both my wife and i were happy that he settled so easily as he works heavy construction.
a minute later he asked me "we smoked something?" (about 4 minutes after lighting up)
me- "yes, it's interesting yes? do you like it or will you not try it again?" he- "oh I'll try it again, just can't believe it happenned like that - I was fighting it..." me- "what did you see?" he- "the wall and floor were coming up at me, I was in a 50's tv commercial for cereal, you guys were in it too, it was too much I wanted to get out; did I actually stand up?"
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Re: Intense and scary salvia trip - written by the sitter [Re: redgreenvines]
#8678628 - 07/25/08 12:04 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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he- "the wall and floor were coming up at me, I was in a 50's tv commercial for cereal, you guys were in it too, it was too much I wanted to get out; did I actually stand up?"
Ah that's a good one. Once had a salvia trip where I thought the world was a game show, but it wasn't on TV, it was a video game. Salvia is the weirdest.
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Re: Intense and scary salvia trip - written by the sitter [Re: jaredman]
#10093253 - 04/02/09 10:14 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Salvia is no joke! I have done tons of mind altering drugs and am able to function normally when peaking. I have a strong sense of self and am very confident and controlled. Unfortunately, a little arrogant, or at least when it came to trying Salvia for the first time. Given my extensive past experience I decided to start right off with 60x extract. I did none of the suggested preparations, no sitter, nothing. I simply took a big hit and held it for about 20 seconds ... HOLY SHIT!!!!!!
I found myself in my apartment and not in my apartment. In this strange place there were two giant beings (not visible but there). They were discussing me and one of them (I think female) had decided to stop playing with me. The feeling I had was that my entire life had not been real and the true reality was that I was and always had been a doll belonging to this being. While I did not want to believe it, I knew with almost complete certainty that my entire life was a nothing more than a game for this being's enjoyment and a game that she had decided no longer interested her. I felt completely insignificant at that moment and utter terror that the game was over. I remember bending over waiting for her giant hand to pick me up and put me back in the toy box and for blackness to engulf me all the while struggling with the realization of the true nature of my existence (the Salvia one) and trying in vainly to shout "NO FUCKING WAY!!!" However, I could only manage to make my mouth slur "NO FUUUUUUUU NO FUUUUUUU."
I am a lawyer, engineer, ex military and not faint of heart. I have jumped out of airplanes, staboed and Aussie rappelled out of helicopter and down cliffs. However, Salvia scared the living hell out of me. I was waiting for the end to come and this terrifying and uncaring being (maybe my ex wife) casually was about to end my existence and put me back in her toy box. When the effects started to fade and this reality came back into focus, I realized what had happened. I was shaken and strangely exhilarated from the utter terror I had felt (I am a bit of an adrenaline junky). After I calmed down, I decided to try it again. I wanted to show Salvia that I am the master of my universe and that no drug can force me to lose my grip on reality. I took another hit (smaller this time) and laid down and said to myself “okay Salvia do your worse.” I noticed the feeling coming on and felt prepared. I knew what to expect and was confident. Then WAM! My consciousness was knocked off center again. Not as bad this time, no giants, but a feeling that I was hovering between the reality of life and some strange alternate reality which I can best describe as the feeling of having a near death experience. I felt confused as my consciousness started to lose touch with my physical body and I was no longer firmly anchored to the physical world. In this state, I got up, went to the bag of 60x Salvia extract and flushed it down the toilet.
I know who the boss is now and it is Salvia. Maybe, I will try it again but will reduce the strength and have a hell of a lot more respect for the experience.
Salvia is not a party drug. Nothing at all like LSD or mushrooms. Is all I can say is treat Salvia with fucking respect unless you like being terrified.
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Re: Intense and scary salvia trip - written by the sitter [Re: BigSlamu]
#10093446 - 04/02/09 11:01 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Indeed, salvia is no joke. It may well be the most powerful psychedelic on earth, right up there with DMT.
I encourage everyone I know who's even considering giving it a run to start off with a tiny amount of plain leaves, or 5x extract tops, to see how they react. This stuff hits like a 5 ton semi truck.
The "outside" of reality thing, with this "this" (physical matter world) being an illusion, is a commonly occurring theme, and it makes me wonder if there is some truth to that, as I have had that feeling often.
Scary and humbling trip---Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Intense and scary salvia trip - written by the sitter [Re: EthericOctopuss]
#10093569 - 04/02/09 11:26 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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One question. At lower strengths, is the effect more moderate or is the feeling I had with 60x what I should always expect when I peak? The feeling of being completely disassociated with reality is pretty freaky. It is interesting to reflect on afterward but is a very uncomfortable feeling to experience. It is like I am adrift and all sensory input is skewed causing me to feel confused as I try to process my environment.
Or maybe I am not a candidate for Salvia because I will always try to analyze it and fight it?
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Re: Intense and scary salvia trip - written by the sitter [Re: BigSlamu]
#10093631 - 04/02/09 11:36 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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BigSlamu said: One question. At lower strengths, is the effect more moderate or is the feeling I had with 60x what I should always expect when I peak? The feeling of being completely disassociated with reality is pretty freaky. It is interesting to reflect on afterward but is a very uncomfortable feeling to experience. It is like I am adrift and all sensory input is skewed causing me to feel confused as I try to process my environment.
Or maybe I am not a candidate for Salvia because I will always try to analyze it and fight it?
The lower strengths, you have a LOT more playing room to experiment with, and increment the amount of active compound hitting your system at once. I would highly recommend trying some plain leaf, or 5 x, and just experimenting with tiny amounts to see the difference...You can always work your way up if it's too weak initially, until you find just the right formula for giving you an experience that is ideal for what you're looking for.
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Re: Intense and scary salvia trip - written by the sitter [Re: EthericOctopuss]
#10095975 - 04/02/09 05:33 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just tried the leaf. Took a few good hits and got the Salvia buzz but my consciousness remained firmly rooted in this reality. I feel much safer and in control of how far Salvia will take me.
Now that I know what an extreme 60x Salvia break through is and the complete freakishness of the experience I appreciate the mellower effects of the leaf.
Definitely should have tried the leaf first before letting Salvia yank my fucking mind out of my head and kick it across the universe.
Thanks for the advice.
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Re: Intense and scary salvia trip - written by the sitter [Re: BigSlamu]
#10096288 - 04/02/09 06:30 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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a gram of 60x should be 150 sessions, it is very very concentrated. it is 60 times stronger than plain leaf. people are easily derailed thinking that just because it is non-toxic, they can "handle" being totally disorientated by dosing way too high or maybe just ignorant of what this is altogether.
vendors are kind of dumb too by selling 60x or 40x, even 20x is too high for most people to measure doses successfully.
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Re: Intense and scary salvia trip - written by the sitter [Re: redgreenvines]
#10096294 - 04/02/09 06:32 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I didnt even know one could trip that hard off salvia, or at all as a matter of fact
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Re: Intense and scary salvia trip - written by the sitter [Re: jaredman]
#10104091 - 04/04/09 07:28 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for sharing.
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