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*old* hydroponic setup (very ghetto) *brought back to clerify things*
    #5794626 - 06/27/06 12:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

okay so feel free to diss my homemade tiny hydroponic system that took me hours to assemble..
*edit*- Details are below the pictures incase u wanted to know... or didnt think to scroll down that far..








Detials:
Rubbermaid Tub:
-thin Lava Rock layer
-Water
-pH 7.0
-Airstone
-Cup w/ holes & Lava Rock

Aluminumfoil Lid:
-2 layers of aluminum foil
-cup thats is attached with Black Silicon

and an Air pump... Soon to be attached to the side of the Rubbermaid tub


Edited by calab (07/01/06 12:38 AM)


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: C-Dizzle]
    #5794663 - 06/27/06 01:10 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

hey man,you did what you could with what you had and it looks good enough to me,goodluck with your grow! :rockon:


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: quiver]
    #5795517 - 06/27/06 11:08 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Looks like my first hydro setup. That would be a cute product, "My First Hydro."
Hope you grow some nugs, goodluck!


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: Psilopleix]
    #5795702 - 06/27/06 12:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

:P thanks, at least i know im not the only one now :P


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: C-Dizzle]
    #5795823 - 06/27/06 01:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

just curious, why not soil?


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: impgl]
    #5795856 - 06/27/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hes gotsss to grow that hydro chorink's. I built my first hydro set-up out of some PVC, 2 Liter Bottles, Plastic Cups, and a rubbermaid, but I overlooked the fact that algea grows wherever light, nutrients, and water meet. It was fun while it lasted I guess.


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5795934 - 06/27/06 01:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

isn't that from the pot for pennies method? That book was great for people who wanted to grow but are broker then dirt.


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: coda]
    #5796069 - 06/27/06 02:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I do have soil grows. i have indoor soil/outdoor hydro/outdoor soil


Edited by calab (06/27/06 03:05 PM)


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: C-Dizzle]
    #5796096 - 06/27/06 03:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I still don't see what the advantage of hydro over soil is. Me myself I'd have to go with ''soil''.


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: Anonymous]
    #5796099 - 06/27/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i think a hydro grower enjoys better 'control'over the medium vs a soil grow.

you can figure out what the plants need and give them exactly that.


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: Schwip]
    #5796108 - 06/27/06 03:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You can do that with soil too. Plus, from what I've seen and heard, weed grown organically in soil will taste better. I dont know, I just don't understand hydro I guess.


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: C-Dizzle]
    #5796112 - 06/27/06 03:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I would however like to formulate some kind of nutritious gel, to grow weed in. For no real reason other than I'd like to see weed growing in gel. Maybe a tea made with worm castings and bat guano, and then make non flavored gelatin with it, then mix it up with some perlite or some shit I guess, hell i dont know. Hhahahaha


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: Anonymous]
    #5796113 - 06/27/06 03:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

This better explains what i mean.

Taken from:http://www.hydroponics.com/hydroponics/soilvshydro.html


Soil versus Hydroponics

Soil
In soil, bacteria have to break down the dirt into the basic elements of nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium as well as trace elements.

Hydroponics-
Balanced plant food (the nutrient solution) is dissolved directly into water so the plant may receive perfect nutrition at all times.

Soil-
Soil is not able to produce as much nutrient per area as the root system is able to take up.

Hydroponics-
Hydroponics takes the desired amount of food directly to the root rather than making plant's roots look for it.

Soil-
Soil loses its nutritional value and is difficult to measure in terms of pH and fertility.

Hydroponics-
The pH and nutritional value of the water are easily measured and maintained, so plants always have enough to eat.

Soil-
Only when you water your soil plants, the basic elements can dissolve into the water.

Hydroponics-
In a hydroponic system, moisture is present for extended periods of time or for all the time.

Soil-
Soil plays host to many nasty little creatures.

Hydroponics-
Hydroponics growing mediums are inert and sterile making a very hygienic environment for the plant and owner.

Soil-
Soil requires a lot more watering, has a higher occurrence of pests, plants grow slower, need more space and constant maintenance.

Hydroponics-
Hydroponics increases plant growth and yield per area, decreases pests and diseases and the need to water plants.


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: Schwip]
    #5796121 - 06/27/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Nice. How much does it cost to setup vs soil mixes?


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: Anonymous]
    #5796135 - 06/27/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Depends how all-out you want to go.

For the most part soil will be cheaper.

All the nutrients for hydro + initial setup cost will be pricey.

But the first grow will pay for itself and the next couple. Compounded with a theoretical greater yield per plant :smile:


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: Schwip]
    #5796177 - 06/27/06 03:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Well the cost of the fox farm super six pack is the same for soil as it is for hydro, if you were gonna use that, I'd guess that it'd actually cost more to do a soil grow, well as long as you use good soil and some bullshit cheapass shit, or unless you bought the soil, or the shit for a soil mix, in bulk/wholesale. And how fancy the actual hydroponic ''system'' you were using was. So probably around the same. But again, could be completly wrong about that. I dont know though, hydro just doesnt seem right for some reason. And for some reason or another, I don't trust it.


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: Anonymous]
    #5796505 - 06/27/06 05:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

hydro grows can be easier to fuck up then soil grows. This is mostly due to the nute content in the water, one has to pay super careful attention to the ppm of the nuts in the resevoir. Too much and the plants will burn and stress, too little and they wont have what they need.

You also have the added fire and electrical hazards, increased electricity costs, more equipment to maintain and clean, more room taken up by your hydro setup, the added expense of bottle after bottle of nutes, etc.

The hydro vs soil debate has raged on for a long time, both methods can produce some killer buds. Soil is just easier for the newbie grower since it requires less attention and has less "moving parts" then a hydro setup. However hydro, when done properly, can produce a crop slightly faster then a soil grow. Like it was mentioned you also have complete control over the nutes your plants receive.


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: coda]
    #5796542 - 06/27/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I'm some craps as it is when it comes to horticulture anyway, the last thing i'd need to do is add any extra variables or factors that could possibly be negative. You give me a tomato plant, and there's a good chance I'll end up with tomato raisins.


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: Anonymous]
    #5796616 - 06/27/06 06:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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paradis said:
I would however like to formulate some kind of nutritious gel, to grow weed in. For no real reason other than I'd like to see weed growing in gel. Maybe a tea made with worm castings and bat guano, and then make non flavored gelatin with it, then mix it up with some perlite or some shit I guess, hell i dont know. Hhahahaha




Been done http://growthtechnology.com/prop-crm.asp  Nothing gets past me  :crazy2:


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: Magash]
    #5796696 - 06/27/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hydro grows plants in 3/4s the time... with bigger/better buds


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: Magash]
    #5796706 - 06/27/06 06:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

hydro

Pro's lots of oxygen to roots. Every time it floods it forces out the old air and when it drains it sucks in new air. Some systems keep the roots in a constantly oxygenated solution. Nutrient probs are very easy to fix and to monitor and changes can be made fast. With soil to correct a nute fuck up you have to do some major flushing. Hydro systems use less water (thats right I said less) then soil systems.

Cons
It's all about the bud baby. Taste, smell are much better with soil. Once you have your soil system down it's just as fast as hydro. Takes longer for nutrient problems to fuck with the plant. (once they do they are harder to get rid of though.)

yadda yadda yadda

Wanna have some fun look up aeroponics


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: Magash]
    #5796726 - 06/27/06 06:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Also growing in soils not as good because the plant focuses on root developement to search for nutrients, and in hydroponics, it sits in the nutrients, so it focuses less on searching for nutrients and more on stem/leaf/bud development :wink:


Edited by calab (06/27/06 06:27 PM)


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: Magash]
    #5796763 - 06/27/06 06:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'll still experiment with my own though. Cause I dont like to pay for shit i can rig up or make myself, for example I'd rather go cut down some willow branches than pay for some expensive fancy rooting solution.


Willow water
worm castings
guano
gelatin


That sounds good to me. I would think that if you squished it all up, it'd be really easy for the roots to spread, yet it'd be thick enough to hold the seedlings weight, then you could transplant into soil.


^^ That right there is the type of thinking that will fuck up your grows. And sadly it's just how my brain works.


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: Anonymous]
    #5796772 - 06/27/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I jsut got some cheap "Take Root" rooting compound from walmart :P haha


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: C-Dizzle]
    #5796777 - 06/27/06 06:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

that i fucked up and put in soil, when it says on the bottle to put in a cup of water, geez im so ignorant to reading bottles :P


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: C-Dizzle]
    #5796783 - 06/27/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

calab said:
Also growing in soils not as good because the plant focuses on root developement to search for nutrients, and in hydroponics, it sits in the nutrients, so it focuses less on searching for nutrients and more on stem/leaf/bud development :wink:


Then use a mycorhizzal supplement maybe?
Anyway I'd rather get a little less and take a few extra weeks and get fine champagne, then do it as fast as possible and get the most I can and end up with sparkling wine. Quality over quantity.


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: Anonymous]
    #5796800 - 06/27/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

hydro grows denser buds, w/e that means just giving info to u guys from my grow bible


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: C-Dizzle]
    #5797135 - 06/27/06 08:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry man but how dense a bud is is determined by how much light it gets. Take a plant and grow it hydro in low light and take a plant grow in a bucket of sand. The hydro plant will have more bud but it will be airy compared to the few but much denser plant under the light.

As far as soil plants having to look for nutrients maybe in the wild but most people are using the same nutrients hydro guys are using. In other words the nutrients are being delivered by the grower himself and not a pump.


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: Magash]
    #5797172 - 06/27/06 08:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, I've been doing some reading the past few hours, and a good hour of that was on hydro, basically I came to this conclusion: "fuck hydro". I did in fact look up ''aeroponics'' since you mentioned it in this thread earlier though, and I came to this conclusion: "!!!!!!! " Roots suspended in air being misted with nutrient solution!???!! What the fuck. That really makes me want to try it, mostly I think cause it appeals to the mad scientist in me.


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: Anonymous]
    #5797357 - 06/27/06 09:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Here is a aeroponics cloner I'm testing out that is very easy for anybody to copy with hardware store stuff http://ezclone.com/# click the demo

Here is another site with better printed info http://growthtechnology.com/prop-ezclone.asp


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: Magash]
    #5797397 - 06/27/06 09:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

right on, well my hydro is outdoors lol


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: Magash]
    #5797747 - 06/27/06 11:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Nice.


Quote:

that is very easy for anybody to copy with hardware store stuff



You know I was already thinking about ways to rig up sprayers using those little twists nozzles on cheap spray bottles and shit like that :wink:


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: Anonymous]
    #5797802 - 06/27/06 11:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

the pet shop here was spray nozzles and water pumps, but would a water pump be turned into a nutrient pump?


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: C-Dizzle]
    #5798114 - 06/28/06 01:06 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Same thing. There is no such thing as a nutrient pump they are all just fish tank or fountain pumps.


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: Magash]
    #5798118 - 06/28/06 01:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

okay and im guessing i pour the nutrients into the pump... and it releases it, cuz if not, whats the point of having it, if ur gunna have to jsut manually do it anyways, cuz i thought they are supposed to be automatic.. but i dont know shit abomut water pump,so if you could, could you tell me how that works, like decriptions, pictures.... ect


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: C-Dizzle]
    #5798339 - 06/28/06 03:26 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: C-Dizzle]
    #5798471 - 06/28/06 05:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ok don't take this wrong but you need to get a few soil grows under your belt first cause it's just not sounding like hydro is gonna work.


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: Magash]
    #5808340 - 07/01/06 12:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

eh, ive had years of soil grows of many things, its boring me.. so im going hydro starting with tomatoes first, so far im very sucessful with 17 flowers :laugh: my soil tomatoes only have 5-10 and theyve been alive alot longer


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Re: new hydroponic setup (very ghetto) [Re: C-Dizzle]
    #5808367 - 07/01/06 12:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i think im fine manually puting in my nutrients, im not focused on the hightech stuff..


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