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1. Mushrooms falling over 2. mushrooms drying light
    #5793480 - 06/26/06 06:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

A couple questions:
Do your mushrooms fall over? I've found that anything over say 10g wet seems to fall over before fully maturing (these are all on cased brf (1-2" substrate)). At first I thought it was because casings would be moved around a bit, so this flush they were not touched/moved and it still happened.
Lately, mushrooms have been drying very light. Say a 36g wet mushroom will dry to around 2g. Are these just really wet shrooms? Anyone else grow light drying shrooms?


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Re: 1. Mushrooms falling over 2. mushrooms drying light [Re: shroomballa]
    #5793493 - 06/26/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

All other things being equal, I've found falling over fruits to be strain related. Fruits from some strains are very securely attached to the casing layer or substrate, and others seem to be barely there. The former leaves a large divit when you pick, the latter you can barely tell where the fruits were after you pick.

I have no idea on the light mushies unless the substrate is oversaturated or something.
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Re: 1. Mushrooms falling over 2. mushrooms drying light [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5793519 - 06/26/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, at least I never have to patch anything


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Re: 1. Mushrooms falling over 2. mushrooms drying light [Re: shroomballa]
    #5793769 - 06/26/06 08:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It is possible to over saturate your fruitbodies without a doubt! Been there done that. By falling over do you mean the stems "folding over" or simple breaking off at the base?


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Re: 1. Mushrooms falling over 2. mushrooms drying light [Re: shroomballa]
    #5793996 - 06/26/06 09:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

none have broken off, they all just bend over.
What causes a fruitbody to over saturate? I've never heard of this. Are there any negative potency effects from doing this?


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Re: 1. Mushrooms falling over 2. mushrooms drying light [Re: shroomballa]
    #5794046 - 06/26/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

use to to have that happen when my washer went on the spin cycle


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Re: 1. Mushrooms falling over 2. mushrooms drying light [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #5794101 - 06/26/06 09:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

that is hilarious bro. ROFL


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    #5794493 - 06/26/06 11:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

What I was referring to above was a fully formed fruit falling over from gravity by breaking loose at the base. Such is normal with some strains. However, if the fruits are bending and falling over, they must be over saturated or rotten. That could also explain how much weight you're losing when dry.
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Re: 1. Mushrooms falling over 2. mushrooms drying light [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5794968 - 06/27/06 06:00 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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What I was referring to above was a fully formed fruit falling over from gravity by breaking loose at the base. Such is normal with some strains. However, if the fruits are bending and falling over, they must be over saturated or rotten. That could also explain how much weight you're losing when dry.
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I would tend to think it's a contam problem possibly (rotten). Overly saturated fruits have shiny caps that tend to have a transparent look at the surface only.


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Re: 1. Mushrooms falling over 2. mushrooms drying light [Re: hyphae]
    #5795066 - 06/27/06 07:53 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hmm well I just picked the second flush off a casing (which, btw was very close to the wet weight of the first!!) and two of them were bent over like you say as well. Same thing happened to a couple of the shrooms on the first flush. Personally I attritbute it not to rotting or any contam, but rather the hollow stems.

Dunno if this is a genetic thing which differs from one substrain to the other or if it's just to do with what you're growing them on. Either way tho, you have hollow stems and then the biggest fruits simply cant be held up any more. For me the bend is usually about halfway up the stem, which would make sense...


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Re: 1. Mushrooms falling over 2. mushrooms drying light [Re: HoleSnype]
    #5795239 - 06/27/06 09:23 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

yeah, the stems are pretty hollow on the fallen ones.
what causes a fruitbody to become over saturated?


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Re: 1. Mushrooms falling over 2. mushrooms drying light [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5795389 - 06/27/06 10:20 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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All other things being equal, I've found falling over fruits to be strain related. Fruits from some strains are very securely attached to the casing layer or substrate, and others seem to be barely there. The former leaves a large divit when you pick, the latter you can barely tell where the fruits were after you pick.

I have no idea on the light mushies unless the substrate is oversaturated or something.
RR




I agree with this totally... just picked some Dancing Tigers, and some Texans. The texans rip up alot of the casing mix and are hollow. The dancing tigers leave no divot, and are very thick stemmed... (also dry hevier)

they just seem like a stronger of a strain.....


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Re: 1. Mushrooms falling over 2. mushrooms drying light [Re: shroomballa]
    #5795612 - 06/27/06 11:36 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

With overall lighting (not overhead) it is very possible the caps weight folded them over, I have had many hollow stemed fruits that none of which folded over so I certainly wouldn't blame hollow stems they can support alot of weight also. Some contams certainly can do this as they attack the fruits cells so keep it in mind. It could also be the combination of hollow stems and excess saturation also so I won't worry too much about it at this point. GL


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Re: 1. Mushrooms falling over 2. mushrooms drying light [Re: Oatman2000]
    #5795833 - 06/27/06 01:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

hmm funny, my texans also have a death grip on the myc. However, besides the PE, they've had the thickest stems ive seen.


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Re: 1. Mushrooms falling over 2. mushrooms drying light [Re: shroomballa]
    #5796710 - 06/27/06 06:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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what causes a fruitbody to become over saturated?




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Re: 1. Mushrooms falling over 2. mushrooms drying light [Re: shroomballa]
    #5796830 - 06/27/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

to much water, to much misting, etc.


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Re: 1. Mushrooms falling over 2. mushrooms drying light [Re: HoleSnype]
    #5796964 - 06/27/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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to much water, to much misting, etc.


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Re: 1. Mushrooms falling over 2. mushrooms drying light [Re: shroomballa]
    #5797288 - 06/27/06 09:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

very interesting. The only time the casing is directly sprayed is after a flush. Humidity is 75-85%. 72-75 F. Maybe if hpoo was used, they'd be thicker.


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Re: 1. Mushrooms falling over 2. mushrooms drying light [Re: shroomballa]
    #5797446 - 06/27/06 09:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

RH should be no lower than 85% and misting throughout the grow cycle is a good thing putting less stress on your casing.


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