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truffleupagus


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Ayahuasca Making Help Please?
#5793347 - 06/26/06 05:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I had posted the below on another website but apparently the website has like 32 members or something. So, needless to say, I haven't gotten a response yet. I'm hoping that I'll get an answer a little quicker through the shroomery. If someone could read what's below and advise what I might have done wrong I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks!
I recently purchased an Ayahuasca kit online that consisted of 25g of B. Caapi and 10g of finely powdered Mimosa Hostilis. The kit came with some vague instructions for preparation and had a list of possible effects as well as things that should not be taken simultaneously with MAOIs. For the effects it said that you could experience nausea or possibly the need to throw up and it said that you should not fight the urge if that does happen. It said that diarrhea may be part of the purging process as well. What really fascinated me though is that it talked about intense visuals and said "you can experience jungle like worlds, inhabited by exotic animals, ancestors, gods, extraterrestrials and monsters". I didn't in fact experience anything like this. All I experienced was the puking out both ends part. This lead me to believe that I obviously did something wrong either in preparation or ingestion.
It said to grind up/pulverize the plant material so I did so with a coffee grinder to the Caapi and the Mimosa was already powdered. I filled a large pasta pot half way with spring water, added juice from 2 lemons and a substantial amount of crushed vitamin C. I then began to boil the water and added the Caapi and Mimosa. I boiled the whole thing down to a third of what I started with or less and then strained it. I then repeated the process 3 times more using less water each time but without the lemon juice and vitamin C. After the 4 times boiling down (2 hrs.) and straining I combined all of the boilings and boiled that down to about 150 ml. It said to boil and strain until the water stops turning color but it kept turning brown every time so I eventually just said screw it.
The 150 ml worked out to 2 1/2 shots worth. I didn't want to be too reckless so I started with 1 1/2 shots. Fifteen minutes later I was feeling nauseated a little. Another fifteen minutes later I took the other shot. I had to throw up almost instantly after that and the diarrhea came about an hour later. The most I felt during the whole experience was a mild body buzz but there was definitely nothing trans-dimensional like I was expecting.
Should I have added the Mimosa Hostilis at the end during the final boiling down process? It seemed to get lost in all that water and straining. Or should I have not boiled it at all and just encapsulated it? Would I have maybe had better results if I had just taken all of it right away? I'm very curious and confused and I would love for my next experience with Ayahuasca to be a worthwhile one. Thanks to anyone who reads this whole long ass thing!
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CptnGarden
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Re: Ayahuasca Making Help Please? [Re: truffleupagus]
#5793659 - 06/26/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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dont buy ayahusca kits, they are crap.
www.shamanspalace.com www.iamshaman.com
both have good hostilis and caapi. shamans palace has great deals and give tons of free gifts and samples.
ide say your source was either bunk or it was just your typical bunk ayahusca kit :/, or hell; both.
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Re: Ayahuasca Making Help Please? [Re: CptnGarden]
#5793882 - 06/26/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It might sound stupid, but since you didn't mention it in your preparation, did you actually take an MAOI with it? If not, you should have taken your MAOI about 30 minutes before ingesting your brew.
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Re: Ayahuasca Making Help Please? [Re: DrGeek]
#5794037 - 06/26/06 09:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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DrGeek said: It might sound stupid, but since you didn't mention it in your preparation, did you actually take an MAOI with it? If not, you should have taken your MAOI about 30 minutes before ingesting your brew.
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25g of B. Caapi
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CptnGarden
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Re: Ayahuasca Making Help Please? [Re: motaman]
#5794148 - 06/26/06 09:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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you said your directions also said not to mix maois with it, which is wrong.
b. caapi is an maoi, and shouldnt be used simultaneously with SSRI's such as prozac and effexor.
they are correct in stating that your maoi should be taken 30 minutes if not an hour before your ingestion of other alkaloids.
do your research, dont buy any more dumb kits, and get shit done yourself. caapi and mimosa can both be purchased relatively cheap (for their business) and can last many experiences. kits are usualy a scam.
when in doubt,
your answers will be here: www.erowid.org www.lycaeum.org
and you already found this place
stay safe, SoD.
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Re: Ayahuasca Making Help Please? [Re: motaman]
#5794196 - 06/26/06 10:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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motaman said:
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DrGeek said: It might sound stupid, but since you didn't mention it in your preparation, did you actually take an MAOI with it? If not, you should have taken your MAOI about 30 minutes before ingesting your brew.
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25g of B. Caapi
Whoops, my mistake. I'm a bit drunk and I had just been reading a bunch of people on the lycaem talking about how indigenous people think B. Caapi is ayahuasca and the DMT just flavours it, that I forgot it was an MAOI and thought it was another DMT containing plant. Still, I think he boiled them together, did I read that correctly? The B. Caapi should have been taken first.
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truffleupagus


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Re: Ayahuasca Making Help Please? [Re: DrGeek]
#5796610 - 06/27/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well that was dumb of me. I typed this whole long-ass thing last night but apparently didn't click submit.
The directions that I received don't say not to combine MAOIs and DMT. I guess you misunderstood what I wrote. What it gives is a list of other things not to combine with MAOIs (i.e. Sleeping Pills, Narcotics, MDMA, Alcohol and SSRIs as you had mentioned).
But, yeah, I guess the more common Ayahuasca is a combination of Caapi and Psychotria Viridis but what I bought was kit #2. It could have been bunk or it might have just been that I boiled both herbs and didn't take the Caapi ahead of time. I had a feeling I was doing something wrong because the M. Hostilis was such a fine powder. Each time I strained it there was some solid matter that stuck to the straining medium. This ended up being rinsed down the drain.
In conclusion I'm sure I would have had a better time had I just boiled the Caapi and encapsulated the M. Hostilis. And I'm going to take your advice and not buy any of these damn kits anymore. Besides, I keep reading that the best part of B. Caapi to use is the inner part of the vine which can be almost purplish. The stuff I got was shredded and tan in color.
If anybody can comment on anything that I've added or provide any other info on Ayahuasca I'd appreciate it. It's probably for the best if I know as much as possible prior to having the full blown experience. Thanks!
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Re: Ayahuasca Making Help Please? [Re: truffleupagus]
#5796643 - 06/27/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It was probably a combo of not taking the MAOI first, and puking too soon.
By the sound of your post, you mixed both things into the same brew, drank 1 shot, waited 15 mins, drank another then pretty much threw up?
Chances are the MAOI had minimal time to take full effect in that 15 mins, and thus not much (if any) DMT getting into the system.
Next time, dont buy a kit, take the MAOI first, wait 30 mins, then take the DMT.
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truffleupagus


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Re: Ayahuasca Making Help Please? [Re: kaniz]
#5796680 - 06/27/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for the help everybody!
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CptnGarden
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Re: Ayahuasca Making Help Please? [Re: truffleupagus]
#5796874 - 06/27/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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sure, kaniz hit the nail on the head with the hammer.
happy voyages next time, lets see a trip report!
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Re: Ayahuasca Making Help Please? [Re: CptnGarden]
#5797291 - 06/27/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i have the same kit (haven't used it yet) the kit is just an maoi in one bag and the dmt in the other all weighed out for 1 persons dose and comes with instructions its not like it can suck its just the same as buying the stuff separately which the website does do.
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truffleupagus


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Re: Ayahuasca Making Help Please? [Re: DeathCompany]
#5802511 - 06/29/06 09:16 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well good luck with that. You should probably take the advice of everyone that responded to my post and not do what I did.
And let me know how it went. I'm curious.
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truffleupagus


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Re: Ayahuasca Making Help Please? [Re: CptnGarden]
#6125195 - 10/02/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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ShroomieOfDoomie said: sure, kaniz hit the nail on the head with the hammer.
happy voyages next time, lets see a trip report!
Tried again this past weekend. Just posted a trip report. Sorry it's so long!
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Re: Ayahuasca Making Help Please? [Re: truffleupagus]
#6125338 - 10/02/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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I hope people realize that kits are borderline illegal.
You can be pretty damn certain that you wont get busted, but one day the people selling it to you will.
I say borderline illegal because it is meant for a preparation and includes instructions. Anyone selling that type of kit is just begging to be shut down. They want to make lots o cash from people who wont even take the time to learn how to do it themselves(there are alot of ways to make ayahuasca). You are paying for instructions and possibly a shitty product. I would guess that its possibly a shitty product because a business stupid enough to sell a preparation might be stupid enough to get an inferior product or not store it correctly. They want your money.
I just dont trust that shit very much. Also they are just making these legal plants all the more bannable. I dont want to contribute to that.
-------------------- [quote]Me_Roy said: You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life. Thanks shroomery.
Edited by yageman (10/02/06 05:41 PM)
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truffleupagus


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Re: Ayahuasca Making Help Please? [Re: yageman]
#6125475 - 10/02/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, I won't be contributing to that anymore myself.
I found a different source that just sells the individual plants, not in kits though.
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Re: Ayahuasca Making Help Please? [Re: truffleupagus]
#6125650 - 10/02/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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is an hour better than a half hour for consuming the maoi before the dmt?
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Re: Ayahuasca Making Help Please? [Re: agoutihead]
#6125684 - 10/02/06 07:15 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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An hour is not better than a half hour, but 40 min might be.
-------------------- [quote]Me_Roy said: You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life. Thanks shroomery.
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truffleupagus


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Re: Ayahuasca Making Help Please? [Re: yageman]
#6125813 - 10/02/06 07:48 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'll have to keep that in mind for my next aya trip.
When I got that stupid kit the instructions said to space the 2 by 15 minutes but I can't imagine that's enough time.
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thedudenj
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Re: Ayahuasca Making Help Please? [Re: truffleupagus]
#6127125 - 10/03/06 12:13 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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now this is were i say something that goes against everything said here. IF brewed right you can drink ayahuasca with out maoi prior and puke with in 30 min and still have a ground breaking life shattering experience its all about the magic of it and skill i have drank a coffee pot full of ayahuasca and puked it back in to coffee pot right when i finished and it was one of my strongest experiences,and it definitely was the one with the most variety of effects. i had a full out vision trip complete with meeting an animal guide,meeting being made of light,having the experience of brain surgery which has cured a head ache i used to get and have had no problems for a year now,going thru psychedelic tunnel of colour, and turning into a tree. tho that doesnt begin to describe the experience but the point im making if brew right you can just drink it and puke right away and have a 12 hour experience,its good practice to have caapi in the brew or Syrian rue in the brew also for the experience i only used i think 12g of chaliponga i dont weight anymore i just feel it out and know the dose
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Re: Ayahuasca Making Help Please? [Re: thedudenj]
#6129225 - 10/03/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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The original brew is not taken any other way dudenj. That doesnt really "go against everything said here".
There are alot of way to make the brew. This is a discussion of the "two seperate brews" methods.
Ayahuasca is usually taken as one brew. You can certainly trip very hard after puking it up within 30 min.
When you puke that soon it changes the whole way the trip works. I wouldnt call it wasteful though. Its just another method. iF you could hold it down for longer it certainly would be more intense.
Your post is right on, but some people might read it the wrong way. Ayahuasca always has maois in it, but the way you wrote that could be misinterpreted. There are no rules or correct ways to take ayahuasca------------->
The only rules are, Ayahuasca, is either maois by themselves, or maois with dmt(even other drugs such as toe are added by experienced shamans).
The brew can be taken altogether, which is the traditional way, or it can be taken as two seperate brews. There is no point in me saying which one is better or right, because these methods all work but the do work a bit differently.
You can make a strong brew and not puke atall. It just depends on how you use your plants. Some methods make you puke faster, and some allow for a very long experience due to the avoidance the purge. The purge is sought after by some for a variety of reasons. ------------------------------------------------------------------ So ya, you can puke 30 minutes after drinking a potent coffeepot worth of brew, and still trip very hard. It will be very different than if you had not puked it up.
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Re: Ayahuasca Making Help Please? [Re: thedudenj]
#6129840 - 10/03/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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thedudenj said: now this is were i say something that goes against everything said here. IF brewed right you can drink ayahuasca with out maoi prior and puke with in 30 min and still have a ground breaking life shattering experience its all about the magic of it and skill i have drank a coffee pot full of ayahuasca and puked it back in to coffee pot right when i finished and it was one of my strongest experiences,and it definitely was the one with the most variety of effects. i had a full out vision trip complete with meeting an animal guide,meeting being made of light,having the experience of brain surgery which has cured a head ache i used to get and have had no problems for a year now,going thru psychedelic tunnel of colour, and turning into a tree. tho that doesnt begin to describe the experience but the point im making if brew right you can just drink it and puke right away and have a 12 hour experience,its good practice to have caapi in the brew or Syrian rue in the brew also for the experience i only used i think 12g of chaliponga i dont weight anymore i just feel it out and know the dose
Don't ever have me over for coffee okay dude? Just kidding! 
All jokes aside, I appreciate you sharing your experience. That's amazing , especially the part about the brain surgery and your headaches going away. I believe it too. It seems like ayahuasca is capable of doing some pretty incredible things. I'm really interested in learning more about it so I think I'll probably buy a couple books on the subject. My first real experience with it was nowhere near as visual as what you described but I think it's probably for the better that way. I don't at all doubt that if you know what you're doing you can do exactly what you did and acheive those effects. Still, I think for my next time I'll probably use Rue instead of Caapi. That way maybe I can at least postpone the purge a little more.
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Re: Ayahuasca Making Help Please? [Re: truffleupagus]
#6132270 - 10/04/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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um yeah that part was very moving i would have to say thru out the whole trip i had 3 drastic mind shifts. But the part where i had surgery i saw a man made out of light on the Snow in front of me and had a strong urge to lay down so i did then it felt like i was in an operating room and i felt the presence of other beings then my head felt like a very very thin needle was being slowly stuck into my head once in it was slowly twisted in a certain way in the stop of my headaches and it must of lasted atleasy 10 min painful at times but when it was all done i felt so good and i felt cured. and i suggest using caapi and rue. also damn right traditional brew is the best tho i still like my personal brew or rather i feel out differnt amounts or even what to use depending on occasion
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truffleupagus


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Re: Ayahuasca Making Help Please? [Re: thedudenj]
#6132864 - 10/04/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's cool that you were able to get that kind of benefit out of it.
I would've figured that using both caapi and rue would be too much but if you say it's okay I'll trust your judgment.
Does anybody know if there's a limit on how often one should engage in ayahuasca ceremonies? How often do the ayahuasqueros use it?
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thedudenj
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Re: Ayahuasca Making Help Please? [Re: truffleupagus]
#6133459 - 10/04/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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just dont use alot of either use like half a dose of each one wway is using caapi and 2 pinchs of rue in the brew and eating 1 or 2 pinches of rue on its own while its brewing. and yes that whole thing was benefitial got rid of my head ache and worked out some issuses i had
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