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OfflineTreeMoss
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Re: Letter of intent?! [Re: Newbie]
    #9371760 - 12/05/08 11:26 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Has anyone had a knock on their door from ordering, some kind of suits asking why some freak with past felonies is ordering things that just aren't for water based extractions?

Well, I know that kratom uses chloroform for a good extract and most things are water based but you could use ether or chloroform for many...I just know as far as the local courts are concerned, they would raise an eyebrow and that is for certian....just as long as the chem supply doesn't contact the locals or those who will.

How long does the chem supply keep records?  I don't think they would just want to "check up" on things but the just in case....I think we all should compile a list of what all "legal" things can be extracted with what through specific means so we all have a really nice alliby.  Where I live it's a felony for having just ONE CHEMICAL that MAY be used but with INTENT...how they prove intent must be but isn't stated in the law that a very specific precurser is found.....having pet ether or acetone would be a real bitch to say it's for meth...even if you where joking and someone misinterpreted what you were trying to fuck around at the mouth about.....God knows that people can condem you easily in this world and that is the oldest sin known to man

Sorry for the long post but I really don't want any heat, just things to slip off the shelf into my little bunker lab.

and no I don't make explosives, but if uncle sam didn't want blown up he wouldn't knock so hard to give so much time.......for something that hurt nobody other than me and I don't think that drugs do, just shitheads that are cruel when I get high.


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Drug chemicals are going to be more abundant and survive longer than any anti-drug agendas.  Some of us are just ahead of the game, we already know what the future will understand.  Drugs weren't bad but how some people used them were and some people just were bad because they had to be.


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Re: Letter of intent?! [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9371768 - 12/05/08 11:28 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

This thread is 2 yearz old d00d.


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Re: Letter of intent?! [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9373089 - 12/05/08 02:50 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Companies probably keep records forever, but they won't notify law enforcement unless they believe they have to or think they should.  A letter of intent could be as vague as writing a statement saying that you are only going to use purchased chemicals "for research purposes only and will not be used in any food or drug product.  All chemicals will be used and disposed of in accordance with local regulations."  If you're vague but you make an official sounding document saying that you're going to be responsible, that's all they're looking for.  It a chemical company has to keep records, I'd bet on your purchase being on record forever, so be aware of that.

Some chemical supply companies that sold RCs usually just had the customer send in a signed disclaimer.

Whether or not you get a knock at your door will likely depend on you, but if a chemical supply company had good reason to believe that you intended to do something illegal with their product, then they would probably notify law enforcement and not sell you the item.  I have had orders turned back at the border because a reagent was known to be used in drug synthesis.  This was for legitimate research, so all we got was a friendly letter from Sigma Aldrich telling us that the package they sent us had been refused export at the border.  In a case like that, there isn't going to be a knock at the door because turning the package back at the border solved any potential worry about drug synthesis - nobody had to demonstrate intent.


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Re: Letter of intent?! [Re: Plasmid]
    #9373711 - 12/05/08 04:12 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, I'd also like to jump in and say:

a) bumping old threads is specifically what is encouraged by many mods here- people don't like 5 million posts on the same thing, and I see no problem with it in cases like this where this person would have just started a new thread and copied everything in here, leading to pointless duplication

b)  probably best not to claim you are making extracts from food or supplement items as people may presume that's drug/food use and refuse you're order.  I've also heard bad things about that company that was mentioned, but don't know- I don't buy chemicals as such.

I would think a better letter of intent would be as chemy suggested or if they want more just say you are making extracts for reasearch purposes that don't involve consumption  and will nto be used as food or drugs.


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OfflineTreeMoss
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Re: Letter of intent?! [Re: johnm214]
    #9400065 - 12/09/08 02:35 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Well, legal extracts for personal consumption is not a risk to the supplier....their are many legal extracts that require chemicals that are listed as hazardous....I do believe that is their main concern, some chemicals just aren't safe for young people to be around and of course some chemicals can be used for illegal things.....well, the fact is the many illegal chemical process are so simple that you can go to a hardware store.........

Ya, aldrich is a little stringent, must of just been a really snooty customs agent....what was the chemical?  Probably something so common anyway.......you'd think it's the precursors they would be the most concerned about......that is really the key evidence that really says what you are doing with it.

Someone could say that you are using ether for meth or crack, the fact is that just isn't going to be the case most of the time...people seem to like their baking soda


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Drug chemicals are going to be more abundant and survive longer than any anti-drug agendas.  Some of us are just ahead of the game, we already know what the future will understand.  Drugs weren't bad but how some people used them were and some people just were bad because they had to be.


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