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OfflineLion
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Casual psychedelia
    #5792506 - 06/26/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Each time I have a psychedelic experience, I become more convinced of the awesome potential which these substances have for mankind. Each psychedelic has its own unique character, and each can guide us into dimensions and planes of consciousness that are totally beyond the grasp of the 'sober' Western mind.

I have seen firsthand the confusing effects that psychedelics can have on the immature and spiritually uninclined. Many of my friends have used psychedelics a lot, some recreationally (i.e. to run away from their problems) and some hoping to solve emotional problems; some with both of these desired effects hanging in limbo in their minds. After my second mushroom trip it became clear to me that I needed to focus my efforts on allowing the substances to reveal things to me. If you take psychedelics lightly at all, and if you think for even a moment while under the influence of the substance that "I'm on a drug that's fucking with my brain, none of this is real", the potential for mental instability can increase unfathomably. After my third major psychedelic trip I felt kind of like I had gone insane. My view of the world was totally jaded and almost surreal; I felt schizophrenic every time I smoked weed. It was only after my last trip, wherein I was able to let go and accept the substances I had ingested as mystical and visionary, that I realized the full potential of the psychedelic experience as a catalyst for human evolution. Unfortunately, some of my companions on that trip felt confusion, angst, paranoia and even a sense of schizophrenia after their own trips, as they had used the psychedelics more as a means of having a good time.

I simply don't think everyone is ready to use psychedelics. I would strongly advise all newcomers to the psychedelic world to NEVER take a substance like psilocybin or LSD without reading as much as possible about its effects, and without doing some serious introspection before the trip. I personally cannot even conceive of ever taking another mild-to-strong psychedelic dose as a 'recreational experience' -- maybe as a means for starting deeper conversations with close friends and family members, but that is hardly recreational, and hardly the deepest level of psychedelia. The potential for existential confusion is too great for naive newcomers. The character of the psychedelic experience is unlike anything else you can possibly go through in this lifetime, and I feel that members of the psychedelic community would do well to be less flippant about the cultivation and use of entheogens and psychedelic substances. (Not on the whole, of course, but it cannot be denied that some people here take the psychedelic experience far less seriously than it should be.)

I hope I am not coming off as alarmist. Psychedelics have changed my life deeply and profoundly for the better, in a way that I would have a tough time verbalizing but which I'm sure many of you can relate to. I have been a psychedelic user for less than a year, and I can say with total assurance that the past 8 months have held the lowest lows and the highest highs I've ever experienced. All this, and I know that I am still at the tip of the iceberg in terms of the psychedelic experience and my own layered consciousness.

I think we at the Shroomery would do well to come together and create some practical guidelines for psychedelic use. A lot of people stress set and setting, but I feel confident saying that many people feel that even the most superficial mindset of 'comfort' and 'relaxation' is enough to go forward with a serious dose of psychedelics. The set and setting of a trip are extremely important, but you have to always be prepared for anything from uncomfortable emotions to horrifying hallucinations and suicidal thoughts to surface seemingly out of nowhere. If you don't deal with these things as they arise, the whole trip could be poisoned and you could do serious damage to your psyche. I know many people have already made lists of suggestions (and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Shroomery has something like this -- I searched and couldn't find it), but it would be good at least to reiterate these principles more frequently when we see threads with questions like "What's the most fun thing to do on shrooms?" or "Which psychedelic has the most visuals without all the overanalyzing and all that other stuff?"


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Re: Casual psychedelia [Re: Lion]
    #5792586 - 06/26/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I understand how you feel, but you have to keep in mind that it IS a drug like many other things. Just like how rastafarians feel about marijuana, its a spiritual thing for them, but how many of us smoke it just for fun. I dont know if that makes sense to anyone..


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Re: Casual psychedelia [Re: Phishe]
    #5792750 - 06/26/06 02:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Not every trip has to be spiritual. I'm not a spiritual person at all, but I get what some people would describe to be spiritual effects from shrooms, like feeling connected with everything, being a part of nature, etc, but to me that's not about spirituality, it's just about experiencing life. Shrooms, at least for me, are about enjoying life to the its fullest and experiencing all it has to offer.


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Re: Casual psychedelia [Re: Lion]
    #5793297 - 06/26/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

About that list... Spiritual practices are what you are looking for. Personally I'm into natural magic and meditations. Many times I was astonished what magic can do with you when you are on drugs... I won't even mention its implication on every-day life.


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Re: Casual psychedelia [Re: Lion]
    #5793429 - 06/26/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds like a bit of a short sighted point of view...

I mean it's great that you want people to learn to help themselves with these substances... but you have to understand that it what your church may be someone else's playground. I think you could agree tolerance is one of the greatest lessons any spirituality can teach.

Some people are at risk of losing sanity over psychedelics used carelessly, yes... but those people have motives throughout the entire spectrum... they're not only recreational users.
Conversely, I imagine many people could benefit a great deal from being able to take this reality less seriously on occasion, even in a recreational context. Even the most 'superficial' mindsets about psychedelics can be respectful, respect stems from understanding the substance... not thinking about it in a particular way.

I think learning enough about a substance that you can know you're safe, or having a guide who can make sure of it; and taking responsible doses in reasonable environments, are the two biggest safeguards you can take against the dangers of psychedelics, regardless of your motives.


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Know your self.
Know your substance.
Know your source.

The most distorted perspective possible is the perspective that yours is not distorted.


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Re: Casual psychedelia [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5793582 - 06/26/06 07:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

nice words bug... i agree with you mostly in everything.
I also agree on the other points of view expressed around. But i have some comments.

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but to me that's not about spirituality, it's just about experiencing life




We experience life in many ways, mostly phisically, emotionally and spirtually... same ways a drug affects you, psychedelics more than anything: they affect the way you experience life for a while.

They teach us, about other ways to live life, they teach about this other realities. I agree so much with your comment about how wrong it is to think "this is just a drug in my head"... well it might be just a drug, but this drug opened some doors, some will close after the effects are gone, some will stay open forever and will make you think in a completly different way because of this experience you go through; "bad trips" often end up in personal revelations and profund life change feelings.

Taking a walk around your mind on a psychedelic can make things pretty impressive; all your memories, your feelings, your fears mixed in a a trippy punch of cosmic comprehension can make almost anyone think about their spiritual beliefs, many claim they have seen the devil, other's have died over and over or have gone to the most horrorific-fantasic experiences. When you see life after a meaningful trip and think of what just happened as an amazing experience that renews you as a man... that is spiritual to almost anyone, and many forget, many others find hard to apply what they have learned in a trip to everyday life, or maybe they are just lazy or stupid but spirituallity is there present, as it is in any other aspect of life (at least in mine).

As i have said before:
I don't claim psychedelics = enlightment
But it is clear that almost anyone can get a pretty interesting life insight on these drugs, i also have the theory that drugs like mushrooms FORCE you to understand spirituality and an utopic modus vivendi.


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Re: Casual psychedelia [Re: AngeloWish]
    #5794836 - 06/27/06 02:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You SEE things on mushrooms but it's up to you if you believe it when you're sober or not. Some take it for fun and I really try to understand them but I can't. For me it's like taking Holy Communion "just because".


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Re: Casual psychedelia [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5795039 - 06/27/06 07:21 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

ExplosiveMango said:
Sounds like a bit of a short sighted point of view...

I mean it's great that you want people to learn to help themselves with these substances... but you have to understand that it what your church may be someone else's playground.




I haft to agree with this. Drugs are both fun, mess around with friends and trip out together, and serious, me tripping out alone doing some inner exploring and maby drawing...

Thats whats so great about phycadellic drugs! The can be extremely fun and also extremely serious or spiritual!!!

Find your own road and trip down it!

While i do value ur opinion, just remember that there's always another way of perceiving things...


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