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Hazards of distillation?
    #5791702 - 06/26/06 06:14 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

What are the dangers of distilling alcohol?

I have an aluminum pressure cooker for which I have built an attatchable copper condenser coil.

Just to make sure, distilling ethanol isn't going to cause some chemical reaction that will turn it into something more harmful like methanol, is it?


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Re: Hazards of distillation? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5791726 - 06/26/06 06:30 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The biggest risk is leeching bad chemicals out of the still itself. For example, people used to use car radiators for their condenser coil... lead soldier and all... and ended up poisoning themselves and others.

You are going to need a method to watch the temperature of the liquid in the pressure cooker. The temp will hover around 70C until the alcohol is gone, then it will shoot up to around 100C.

I always found it worked best if my coil was vertical rather than horizontal. This allows the liquid alcohol that forms to run downhill through the spiral of the coil rather than sitting at the bottom of one of the coils.

Be careful and don't heat stuff up too quickly. Nice and slow is key. A fan on the coil can help, but isn't really needed. I've never used a pressure cooker as the base of the system, so I have no idea what kind of problems that will create for you, if any. It is kind of the opposite direction that you want to go... usually distillation is done under reduced pressure, but this is not required for alcohol. As always, be careful around open flames.


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Re: Hazards of distillation? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5792536 - 06/26/06 01:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You wouldn't happen to be in Wielkopolska, Poland now, would you?


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Re: Hazards of distillation? [Re: debianlinux]
    #5792724 - 06/26/06 02:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

No, but I did invade a preschool there once.


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Re: Hazards of distillation? [Re: Seuss]
    #5792753 - 06/26/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I figure I'll just catch it in several smaller jars and decide when I've hit "the feints" by color and smell/taste. The last 1/3 or so will probably wind up going back into the next batch.

My coils are water cooled. I siphon the water out when the liquor starts coming out hot. Usually that happens when the alcohol levels drop low and I'm getting more water coming through. Water has a much higher specific heat than alcohol, so it heats up the coolant water much more quickly than the alcohol vapor at the beginning of the run.


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Re: Hazards of distillation? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5819468 - 07/04/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yup, the still leaching toxics is your main concern. You're making a coil still using a pressure cooker so I assume you know your stuff.

You will probably be distilling sugar mash (I assume)which will be 10-14% usually. Nope, this won't lead to toxicity buildup, in fact it decreases toxicity by the distilling action.

I strongly recommend Turbo Yeast packets: you'll "brew" within two days, zero risk of contams. The result will be consistent.

Personally I love simplicity. If you use Turbo yeast and only distill off the first quarter (thats 1 gallon from 4 gallons) you'll get most of the alcohol and leave most off flavors behind.

The "official" procedure is to distill off half the amount, and that three times, so you'll end up with 1/8 volume of 95%
With a quality still you can get it right in one run.

www.homedistiller.org


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Re: Hazards of distillation? [Re: Asante]
    #5821223 - 07/04/06 07:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I've been using turbo yeast. It's expensive as hell though compared to making it from scratch.

What I do is distill the first run into one big pot then do a second run which I catch in pint jars, usually 12-14 of them. The first and last 3 or 4 jars are the "heads" and "tails" which go back into the next batch. I usually wind up with about 6-7 pints of drinkable liquor from each 5 gallon batch. The first run has to be done in two loads since I can't fit 5 gallons in my PC at once.

The whole process takes about 6 hours.

I should have my herbs sometime next week. When they get here I'll be making Absinthe from my 'shine. :rastamon:


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Re: Hazards of distillation? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5823792 - 07/05/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What are you distilling? Have you read the God-Book of distilling, "The Compleat Distiller"? Talks all about the heads, the tails, what to toss out. Also, a pot still isn't that good, imo. I have a 33 gallon beer keg that I put a 4` condenser column on, it works GREAT. The homedistiller link is a fantastic resource.


For distilling absinthe, hoever, I use a regular distillation set up, pull a vacuum and distill it four times over.


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Re: Hazards of distillation? [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5824251 - 07/05/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

No, just what I've read on the internet.

I'm not sure if there's a cheap way to pull a vacuum.


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Re: Hazards of distillation? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5824914 - 07/05/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Use a water aspirator ($10-20 on ebay).


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Re: Hazards of distillation? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5826648 - 07/06/06 05:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> I'm not sure if there's a cheap way to pull a vacuum.

Where is Paw when you need him... :wink:  Oh wait, this isn't OTD...


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Re: Hazards of distillation? [Re: Seuss]
    #5826682 - 07/06/06 05:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm just glad you didn't say Lana.


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Re: Hazards of distillation? [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #5826738 - 07/06/06 06:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Wow, so how much vacuum can you get from a garden hose?


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Re: Hazards of distillation? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5828125 - 07/06/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Enough. I use a water aspirator for mine, I don't even measure it. With absinthe, if it's clear liquid coming over, you got it right. Of course, you could use a thermometer as well, but you'd have to adjust for the vacuum.


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