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mrjim202000

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L.C .right to straw??
#5790666 - 06/25/06 09:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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why should i not inoc. pasteurized straw with a good L.C.? I have looked around but i can find nothing about doing this. It sounds like a good idea to me but I have plenty to learn.
help or explain thanks peace
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liamtheloser
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Re: L.C .right to straw?? [Re: mrjim202000]
#5790674 - 06/25/06 09:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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YOU WANT TO MAKE STRAW LOG, HA HA HA! BREAD MAKES ME POOP
and now for something completely different!
umm, i think that's called a straw log... you put your straw in a mycobag and sterilize and inject... i could be wrong though, since i've never done it before... heh.. do a search for "straw log"
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mrjim202000

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my bad I thought a straw log was inoc. with a grain ( rye, WBS, ect.) well again I might be the dumd ass. I look around but i never ask the right [Email]F@*king[/Email] question in the search. I will check that out. others help if you want.
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Re: L.C .right to straw?? [Re: mrjim202000]
#5790733 - 06/25/06 10:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You'll want to inoculate something with more nutrients like birdseed or a PF cake,etc. if we're talking cubensis. Afterwards you could case with straw.
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mrjim202000

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Re: L.C .right to straw?? [Re: Pinhead]
#5790790 - 06/25/06 10:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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OK OK so one says L.C. right to straw and one says WBS etc first. I don't have a PC (I know I can buy one and so on but I don't want to and i don't have the space for one) and i have had very good luck with straw in the past but making something else colonize first has been more challenging.
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mrjim202000

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Re: L.C .right to straw?? [Re: mrjim202000]
#5790794 - 06/25/06 10:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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P.S.please dont flame about the PC thing I really dont have room to store one easly in my Apt.
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liamtheloser
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Re: L.C .right to straw?? [Re: mrjim202000]
#5790796 - 06/25/06 10:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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uhm, you want to STERLIZE your substrate and PASTURIZE your casing/spawn...
the only reason, is once your myc has taken over the substrate, it's pretty hearty stuff and can take a beating from some contams... but if it starts off little, the contams will definately win... if you can sterlize some other way other than PC'ing, then go for it, otherwise just use BRF/verm and spawn to straw
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mrjim202000

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I thought straw only really needed to be past. (I have grown that way before ... IE. simmer at 140-170 for X min ect. --- just never from straight LC) I have very good LC results and good straw results just never put the two together right away. sorry to be a pain in the ass. I am just trying to fund the best tek for "me".
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liamtheloser
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Re: L.C .right to straw?? [Re: mrjim202000]
#5790847 - 06/25/06 10:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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well, since LC is like a headstart on colonization, and you've done a MS inject into straw before, i'd have to assume it would work even better than just a plain MS inject... try it
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mrjim202000

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well I figure I will try it but i has hoping for some words of "yeah that works/ no way man wont work" before i "waist" an LC. I am not afraid to try new things but i like to learn what i can first. wish me luck. I will report back if i can remember.
also any new info is welcome
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Re: L.C .right to straw?? [Re: Pinhead]
#5790892 - 06/25/06 10:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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hey man just new to this like you too, but i think what Pinhead is trying to explain is inoculating the straw with straight LC will work (colonize fine as long as u use enough LC), although the straw along doesn't have alot of nutrients, so it won't be as abundant in the flush department. WBS or BRF provies nutrients normally.
BUT since from all i've read you can combine straw and horse poo and pasturise. Poo has plenty of nutrients. This mix inoculated with LC i think would make a little more sense. Give that a shot and report back i'd be very interested in the results.
Edited by assuck (06/25/06 10:54 PM)
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liamtheloser
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Re: L.C .right to straw?? [Re: assuck]
#5790917 - 06/25/06 11:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Would be able to throw some straw, Brf, and verm, all into a bag, sterilize and then innoc with LC?
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mrjim202000

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Re: L.C .right to straw?? [Re: guitarman]
#5791759 - 06/26/06 07:23 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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by the way just to be clear i have "not" done a straight MS injection to straw. I have spawned to straw. I again don't have a PC and the Apt. is very drafty so I tend to have a lot of contam problems with the WBS/BRF step. I was looking to combine to things I have had good luck with, ie LC and straw. A super high yield, although nice, has never really been my goal, I'm just a hobbyist.
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Re: L.C .right to straw?? [Re: mrjim202000]
#5791927 - 06/26/06 09:45 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can't inoculate straw with liquid culture and have good results. You need something for the mycelium to 'jump off' from such as grains or brf. It's extremely hard to get a liquid culture to take off on a bulk substrate.
You sterilize spawn, and pasteurize bulk substrates and casing material, not the other way around.
You need to use your spores or liquid to inoculate sterilized brf or grains, then when full colonization is achieved, transfer that to pasteurized straw or manure. RR
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Re: L.C .right to straw?? [Re: mrjim202000]
#5791943 - 06/26/06 09:53 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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mrjim202000 said: OK OK so one says L.C. right to straw and one says WBS etc first. I don't have a PC (I know I can buy one and so on but I don't want to and i don't have the space for one) and i have had very good luck with straw in the past but making something else colonize first has been more challenging.
peace
if it has worked for you in the past then go with what you know. as long as contams dont become an issue you gold. the only thing with LC right to straw is that will take a while for the myc to take a good hold of the straw, and that will give all the little germys plenty of time to take over. keep it clean and moist, good luck
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Re: L.C .right to straw?? [Re: trentallica]
#5791959 - 06/26/06 09:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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no PC. nuck em
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