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Re: money vs ability [Re: Veritas]
    #5792526 - 06/26/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

yeah, a reality with no diversity, where one perspective dominates all. 

have fun with that :thumbup:


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Re: money vs ability [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5792528 - 06/26/06 01:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"Sharing was invented by those who have nothing."

You beleive that and call yourself tight with God/Source/Whatever?

That would be like saying all of these souls just appeared from out of no where, had nothing and had to beg god to share all it has with them. How did they even recieve the gift of their lives in the first place if they had to invent it to be given to them first. The one that had it all to give first, had to be the one to first invent the concept of sharing of itself.

Ya know, there are souls out there who share and give of themselves and what they have, even to those who have more then them, out of the pure joy of giving and sharing in itself.

Its sad if you actually feel and beleive you have only recieved from others in life who took pity on you for having nothing yourself and or with strings attached and that you don't actually beleive in the God you preach about. Maybe its a lessor god you are reffering to when you use the word.

How else could you have bought into thinking that quote he shared with you made any sense what so ever.

You think the starving children of Somalia somehow went to wealthy americans and told them they had invented this idea of sharing and told them to share their wealth them, or did the wealthy americans become aware of the starving children and decide to share from out of the compassion in their hearts, all on their own?

You have it backwards dude.

If not, can you clarify as I don't understand the reasoning of or why you shared that quote with us.

:peace: :heart:


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.


Edited by gettinjiggywithit (06/26/06 01:32 PM)


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Re: money vs ability [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5792538 - 06/26/06 01:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

:lol:  That is not what I have ever or will ever propose or believe in.  You have been proclaiming all over these boards that YOUR perspective is the one and only correct POV, and that YOUR God is the one and only correct way to be spiritual.  Sounds very diverse.


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Re: money vs ability [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5792555 - 06/26/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

its just something my Father said.

of course I realize it works both ways. 

but there are many instances in which my Father's point is correct. 

Ever go to a Dead show and everyone there 'shares' your weed to the point where you leave with nothing but an empty bag?  'Common, man, I thought we were friends, you're supposed to be cool.  Don't you want to share?'  :rolleyes:  Greedy, manipulative drivel. 

This seems to be a recurrent theme in my life. 

I go to the grocery store to get everyone food, the minute I get home a stampede of hungry children takes everything I've purchased and runs off, and all I'm left with is an empty fuckin bag. 

That stops now.  The accounts are closed, the credit cards are cut up.  From now on, its 'Fuck you, pay me'. 

Even from a thousand miles away, I can hear my Father saying: "Nice one, hotshot!  Tell them to get off our backs and do their own dishes!" 

Its not like the people that are always asking for a handout are incapable of not needing one.  It gets to the point where the people who give give so much that they need a handout themselves!  But at that point, the people still haven't learned to fish, and its on us to produce more for both ourselves and everyone. 

when are the souls going to break free and foster their own creations?  God made us in his image so that we could evolve to become his equals.  You think God is going to lose by setting us free?  How can God lose?  If you decide to move out, he'll just replace you with a newer model.


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Re: money vs ability [Re: Veritas]
    #5792559 - 06/26/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Veritas said:
:lol:  That is not what I have ever or will ever propose or believe in.  You have been proclaiming all over these boards that YOUR perspective is the one and only correct POV, and that YOUR God is the one and only correct way to be spiritual.  Sounds very diverse.




bullshit.  total bullshit.  misinterpretation followed by misquotation followed by bogus judgement.  nice job, Veritas.


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Re: money vs ability [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5792570 - 06/26/06 01:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.




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Re: money vs ability [Re: Veritas]
    #5792584 - 06/26/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

there is just punishment and there is unjust punishment. Just punishment is deserved, unjust punishment is undeserved.

In this life and many others, I have given. I have given my wealth, my ideas, and even my very soul. I am not alone in this. Many others have given as well. We give not in the hopes of being repaid, but in the hopes that those who take will use what we have given to become self-suffiecient, provide for themselves, and ultimately become givers like us.

We don't like to give to crackheads who waste what we have given them and come back for more every 5 minutes.


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Re: money vs ability [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5792620 - 06/26/06 01:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

So was it your biological father who contributed that gem about sharing, or are you claiming a Biblical reference?

You still live at home, correct? Do you have a job? Do you contribute financially to your parents' household in any way beyond those groceries that were "stolen" by hungry children? What if your parents decided not to share their hard-earned resources with you? As a legal adult, you are responsible for yourself.

Neither God nor Jesus has advised us to save our help for those who are self-sufficient, but for the "least of my brethren." If that does not include crackheads, who else?

What about empathy, compassion and charity? Are they reserved for those whom you have deemed worthy?


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Re: money vs ability [Re: Veritas]
    #5792643 - 06/26/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

my biological father is a biblical reference! Big G is walkin around on this planet right now, honey. He hates this place alnmost as much as I do. We're both lookin forward to going home.

And no, I do not recieve support from my parents and I live on my own. My parents moved away the day I graduated high school. I had to sleep on my friend's couch for a month until I managed to raise the cash to get my first apartment in the ghetto, no cosigner. The funny thing is, my Dad is loaded. He could have given me millions. But instead he chose to give me something far greater: ability to make my own.

And yes, you are supposed to give to those less fortunate. But sometimes giving doesn't help. I guess you'll have to wait until you are a man to expirience 'tough love', and learn its valuable lessons, as I realize that women in this country are mostly treated like princesses who get whatever they want, no questions asked, no hardships undertaken.


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Re: money vs ability [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5792681 - 06/26/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I guess you'll have to wait until you are a man to expirience 'tough love', and learn its valuable lessons, as I realize that women in this country are mostly treated like princesses who get whatever they want, no questions asked, no hardships undertaken.





The facts do not support your assertions. Perhaps you will understand when you're a woman.


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Re: money vs ability [Re: Veritas]
    #5792699 - 06/26/06 02:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

looking forward to that, actually  :smile:

not that I don't enjoy being a man, but it's always nice to see a different perspective. 


As to the point of this thread, I believe that God wants the same thing all Fathers want:  He wants his kids to move out and earn their own way so that He can retire!


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Re: money vs ability [Re: Veritas]
    #5792711 - 06/26/06 02:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Veritas said:
I agree that a vast fortune would not be preferable to highly developed capabilities. As to getting "beyond" money, though, you seem to be forgetting:

**medical and dental care

**property taxes

**temporary or permanent disability

**old age (and declining ability to produce everything you need)

**extreme weather/natural disaster (and the need to replace the flora and fauna and repair structural damage)

**the amazing amount of time it consumes to produce simple manufactured items (toothbrush, soap, matches, paper, etc...) which you cannot afford to purchase

**the cost of raw ingredients which you either do not or can not produce on your farm




Technocracy plus Posthumanism would solve all of these problems, with exception of the weather.


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Re: money vs ability [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5792714 - 06/26/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You may find that the reality is very different from the assumptions you make now. Especially if you experience life as a single mother, an abused wife, or one of the millions of women who are discriminated against based solely upon their sex.

Neither sex has an easy life on this planet.


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Re: money vs ability [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5792721 - 06/26/06 02:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

And would you be able to benefit from technology if you did not have the money to pay for it? Would you be entirely self-sufficient and have no need of others?


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Re: money vs ability [Re: Veritas]
    #5792728 - 06/26/06 02:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

In a Technocracy?
Yes!


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Re: money vs ability [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5792733 - 06/26/06 02:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

nice :thumbup:


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Re: money vs ability [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5792748 - 06/26/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

So who would be running the country? Where would the support for this techology-based Socialist society originate? Of course it is possible for a society to produce surplus, but not without cost. There would be no taxation, no work requirement, and everything would be provided for us?

If you are reliant upon the production of the government, then you are NOT self-sufficient.


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Re: money vs ability [Re: Veritas]
    #5792767 - 06/26/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

So who would be running the country?

Technicians.

Where would the support for this techology-based Socialist society originate?

Automation.


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Re: money vs ability [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5792781 - 06/26/06 02:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

An' Technocrats ain't no friggin reds, nether!


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Re: money vs ability [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5792791 - 06/26/06 02:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Technocracy is a fascinating theory, and might even work in application, but it assumes a complete societal break with competition. Is this likely to happen, in your opinion?


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