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DoctorJ


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money vs ability
#5790105 - 06/25/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was thinking today about money and how most people around me expect me to make a bunch of it.
Let me tell you this: I'd rather have ability than money.
Eventually, I would like to be so advanced that I don't need money. I could have a large piece of land which generated its own livestock, flora, and energy. I could produce everything I need by myself, and require nothing from anyone. At that point, I wouldn't require money because I wouldn't require commerce.
Basically, I think that ability is much more valuable than money. With money, you can pay people to do things for you, but with ability, you can do everything for yourself.
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Re: money vs ability [Re: DoctorJ]
#5790109 - 06/25/06 06:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Give me your money and I'll give you some ability 
I know what you mean though.
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Re: money vs ability [Re: DoctorJ]
#5790143 - 06/25/06 06:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
DoctorJ said: With money, you can pay people to do things for you, but with ability, you can do everything for yourself.
You, being on this forum, use a computer. How did you go about getting such a machine, and what do you think is the best way of getting one? Researching microprocessors for half a decade, spending thousands on laboratories just to produce something you can chat philosophy on? Or you can spend $500-3000, money that you earned, in exchange for another's labour in researching all that himself. You can even meet him halfway, and build the machine yourself with the parts he provided.
Money is the exchange of virtues, the exchange of man's ability for another's, the judgement of a product's value. If you choose to reject that trade, you are limited to the trade only you created. If you choose to reject other's ability, you are only limiting yourself to the fundamentals of survival.
And before I go on glamourizing this product of trade - Ayn Rand puts it much better than I as Skorpivo already made a post of.
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DoctorJ


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Re: money vs ability [Re: Fospher]
#5790179 - 06/25/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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sure, but once I have all the information I need from others, I can close the gates and do everything myself.
First, I would close off the material commerce. Then after awhile, I would close off the commerce of ideas.
All ideas are variations of the origional Idea. Once we have studied the variations, we must go back to the original, and make our own variations without outside influence.
Absorb enough of the abilities of others, and soon you will be diverse enough not to need others.
Only then can you become God of your own freestanding Universe.
"We ourselves have achieved it!"
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Re: money vs ability [Re: DoctorJ]
#5790204 - 06/25/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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property taxes...that's the only problem...we really are very similar.
-------------------- channel your inner Larry David
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Re: money vs ability [Re: DoctorJ]
#5790225 - 06/25/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree that a vast fortune would not be preferable to highly developed capabilities. As to getting "beyond" money, though, you seem to be forgetting:
**medical and dental care
**property taxes
**temporary or permanent disability
**old age (and declining ability to produce everything you need)
**extreme weather/natural disaster (and the need to replace the flora and fauna and repair structural damage)
**the amazing amount of time it consumes to produce simple manufactured items (toothbrush, soap, matches, paper, etc...) which you cannot afford to purchase
**the cost of raw ingredients which you either do not or can not produce on your farm
It is a great idea to become more materially self-sufficient, but unrealistic to aim for a completely "freestanding Universe."
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Re: money vs ability [Re: demiu5]
#5790228 - 06/25/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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well I don't have any money, not a dam dollar, it sucks in some ways, I hate people calling me up to tell me I owe them, its like I owe them for living, who are these people anyway, I mean isn't it obvious I don't have any, so why bother me, to me it kind of breed superficiality, ever experience is hedged off money, including the most intimate, I see a kind virtue in broke people, people with money don't even give you the time of day, because their so important, they'll come along with this superficial act or some boss mentality,
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Re: money vs ability [Re: Veritas]
#5790355 - 06/25/06 07:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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**medical and dental care
will be able to do myself with enough study
**property taxes
will be eliminated soon
**temporary or permanent disability
can be overcome
**old age (and declining ability to produce everything you need)
will be stopped
**extreme weather/natural disaster (and the need to replace the flora and fauna and repair structural damage)
completely under my control
**the amazing amount of time it consumes to produce simple manufactured items (toothbrush, soap, matches, paper, etc...) which you cannot afford to purchase
ever seen the matter generators on Star Trek? Coming soon to a Reality near you!
**the cost of raw ingredients which you either do not or can not produce on your farm
can be created by me
It is a great idea to become more materially self-sufficient, but unrealistic to aim for a completely "freestanding Universe."
unrealistic? I disagree. I think a freestanding universe is exactly what reality is. And I want my own.
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Veritas

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Re: money vs ability [Re: DoctorJ]
#5790642 - 06/25/06 09:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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OK, my mistake, I thought this was a practical discussion of material self-sufficiency. Please continue the sci-fi fantasy where you left off.
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Re: money vs ability [Re: Veritas]
#5791256 - 06/26/06 01:00 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"You might say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one."
-your hero John lennon
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Re: money vs ability [Re: DoctorJ]
#5791655 - 06/26/06 04:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree with what you're saying Doctor J. Totally. And it's something I'm striving towards as well.
But having said that, I don't think you need to be so extreme. There are certain things (as mentioned in some posts above) that, realistically, you need.
And there's nothing wrong with that. But hey, the more you can do for yourself, the more power to you.
It's a dream worth striving for.
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Re: money vs ability [Re: Ngalyod]
#5791883 - 06/26/06 09:24 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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sure, realistically I need some things from others.
but reality changes. especially with the advent of new technology.
only a closed-minded person says: "Some things never change."
everything changes.
my Father once told me something:
"Sharing was invented by those who have nothing."
Edited by DoctorJ (06/26/06 09:34 AM)
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Re: money vs ability [Re: DoctorJ]
#5792381 - 06/26/06 12:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Let's not forget that you will need money to purchase this property you want.
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Re: money vs ability [Re: Redstorm]
#5792416 - 06/26/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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lets not forget you've entirely missed the point YET AGAIN.
yes, I need money now. But in the future I will be more advanced than to need money, or any of you people, for that matter.
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Veritas

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Re: money vs ability [Re: Redstorm]
#5792430 - 06/26/06 12:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Don't confuse him with the facts.
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Re: money vs ability [Re: Veritas]
#5792448 - 06/26/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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facts change
it was once a fact that man could not fly.
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Veritas

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Re: money vs ability [Re: DoctorJ]
#5792462 - 06/26/06 12:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Man still can't fly. He has developed tools which can fly.
He also can't fly for free, unless you count Frequent Flyer miles.
Edited by Veritas (06/26/06 01:07 PM)
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Re: money vs ability [Re: Veritas]
#5792496 - 06/26/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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there is always progress.
IMO, personal progress ends with self-sufficiency. Complete and total self-sufficiency.
but I can understand why a woman wouldn't understand that
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Re: money vs ability [Re: DoctorJ]
#5792510 - 06/26/06 01:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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true freedom comes from self-sufficiency.
people often demand freedom, as if it is something that can be granted or demanded.
Freedom cannot be bought or stolen. It cannot be bargained for.
Freedom can only be earned and achieved.
All of us on earth are God's indentured servants. He wants us out of debt so we can move out of his house and do our own thing! So quit living at home, clear the nest for more children!
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Re: money vs ability [Re: DoctorJ]
#5792519 - 06/26/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes, that extra X chromosome really aids in the grasp of reality.
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