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OfflineVico
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I believe I had a "breakthrough"
    #5786716 - 06/24/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It is pretty usless to try and explain it, but I felt like the folding changed directions on me.  Anyone understand this?
Anyways, I have started sharing Salvia with some buddies 3 so far, one more coming over today and give it a shot, everyone has liked it.
On another note, I have yet to have any hallucinations yet unless the intense body high is the hallucination, but not really...When I read others Salvia reports, there experiance seems so much more with visions ect...
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Re: I believe I had a "breakthrough" [Re: Vico]
    #5786753 - 06/24/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah during a good salvia trip, the hallucinations are very strange. I can never remember the things i saw after i come down, very confusing.

But last night i was tripping on some DOI and we decided to smoke a little bit of salvia, and i have to say it increased/created some visuals, just made everything more colorful on top of the DOI.


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Re: I believe I had a "breakthrough" [Re: 2859558484]
    #5786840 - 06/24/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It seems that salvia hallucinations involve more then 4 dimensions... I remember them but can't visualize. I know a girl that claims she saw something similar during her astral projections.


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Re: I believe I had a "breakthrough" [Re: Kras]
    #5786895 - 06/24/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Breakthroughs just happen. You cant be thinking "wow, this is cool, is the breakthrough coming now" while you are tripping. With that sort of a mentality you wont breakthrough. Partly because breaking through has no real definition, and it generally means you had a profound experience that had nothing to do with the words "breaking through".

SOme people just dont seem to get visuals from salvia. I get fat and obvious visuals from just plain leaf.
My guess, and this is only a guess, is that I see visuals clearly on any dose of anything because of my massive amount of experience with psychedelics. To the point where one hit of leaf gives me visuals. Since it is salvia, the visuals are like a million colorful arms with joints connecting them all as they push and pull everything around me. The pulls and pushes seem to have a flow to them and seem to have partly to do with blood pressure as they seem to emenate from my heart.
The first time I smoked extract, it felt like my entire body was crawling with geometries, and that had a profound relationship with the sucking and swirling motions of my exterior world. There was pure light emanating from my torso(interacting mith my external environment.
It meant alot at the time. It would take a full book-worth of notes to explain it.

I considered that to be breaking way the hell through.


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Re: I believe I had a "breakthrough" [Re: stemmer]
    #5787077 - 06/24/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

stemmer, i see it like you do
vico, put your head down and close your eyes once or twice.

of course with a too strong dose you may be hopping about and see no visuals or you may conk and get super visuals (AKA breakthrough).

note when hopping around like a maniac, you actually overshoot the breakthrough resonance into plain old delerium.

breakthrough resonance is more like a standing wave with feedback - quite miraculous or epiphanous.

so it is not just intensity, it is also configuration.


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Re: I believe I had a "breakthrough" [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5787266 - 06/24/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

redgreenvines, I dont really understand what you mean right now, although I have been drinking, and maybe it will make more sence tomarrow.

Oh yeah, about putting the head down and closing the eyes every once in a while, my experiances seems to make me do that. That just happens naturally.

Stemmer, I appreciate your comment, and it seems like your experiance was a lot more like my buddy that just smoked some was. He did see hallucinations off the same 10x (std) extract that I have smoked. He had an excellent experiance.

Everytime I have smoked it, I dont go into it expecting anything, I just wait for the experiance.

Anyways, I just ordered some standerdized 20 and 40x extract from one of the Shroomerys sponsors. Even though I dont see hallucinations, I do have a very profound experiance, that I want to continue.

Ps...I am on Prozac, but I dont know if that has any effect with salvia.


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Re: I believe I had a "breakthrough" [Re: Vico]
    #5787296 - 06/24/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

WHy are so many people on these meds?

Your prozac probably doesnt help your immunity to salvia. Salvia is an atypical hallucinogen. It works very differently on your brain than most psychedelics(physically even). I wouldnt be surprized if you said you can trip nicely off of almost anything else, but not salvia.

Meds are no good. Depression is something you can fix. You dont have to buy a new bottle of garbage every few months.
A serious hint at this fact is that natural hallucinogens and even lsd's effects are all fucked up by many of those meds. That says alot about how vastly you have altered your brain using meds.
Get off them while you can. Quitting smoking is a bitch, as is quitting the meds that make you feel at home with yourself.
You can adapt to that change. Happiness means nothing without sadness and melancholy.

Its my strong opinion that you need to find a way to be as real as possible before you die. (some people need them, but if you need them and want to take psychedelics, 50% of what psychedelics can teach goes right out the window if you just revert back to taking your meds (every day)).

You will have fixed nothing that is infact real, and will have hindered the greatest teachings all together.


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Re: I believe I had a "breakthrough" [Re: stemmer]
    #5787426 - 06/24/06 07:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

stemmer, I appreciate you care and compassion for me, I really do.  But, I am not a stupid person, once I believe it is time for me to get off the Prozac, I will.  I did not post here looking for a lecture.  My med makes me a much better person, and I believe when I quite it, i will be able to be that person, without meds.  But to say that my journeys on psychedelics are useless is completely ridiculous.  I might be on medication, but I still have a damn good brain.
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Re: I believe I had a "breakthrough" [Re: Vico]
    #5787469 - 06/24/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

They (your experiences) are not useless, they are just what they should be. I know you know that.
You are on medication, this is a biological thing we are talking about. I believe your brain is just fine in a way. These drugs often react to an untainted brain in a more full way if we are not on meds, and especially when we dont return to them.

I didnt mean that as an insult, not one bit. I know you know what you are talking about.

Its just that more than any hallucinogen, I am not surprized that salvia does not make you react to it strongly.
Also I dont want to lecture you, all I have said is true. Those drugs CAN fuck around with your head almost as intensly as a high dose hallucinogenic experience.

Im glad you want to stop the meds, and I wish you much luck with that.


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Re: I believe I had a "breakthrough" [Re: stemmer]
    #5787512 - 06/24/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"Its just that more than any hallucinogen, I am not surprized that salvia does not make you react to it strongly."

Maybe I dont understand, can you elaborate why?


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Re: I believe I had a "breakthrough" [Re: stemmer]
    #5787570 - 06/24/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

because a good standard solution has yet to be found for anxiety/depression and they are one of if not the most common diorders today


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Re: I believe I had a "breakthrough" [Re: Vico]
    #5788566 - 06/25/06 03:48 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Vico: do you smoke grass too often?


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Re: I believe I had a "breakthrough" [Re: Kras]
    #5788668 - 06/25/06 05:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

in my own opinion, there is no such thing as "believing" you brokethrough. or even sitting back and wondering if you did...

if you breakthrough, its like a punch in the face. not the kind that leaves a little red mark, one that fuckiing pops your eye out of the socket and rattles a few teeth loose. the kind of feeling that leaves no question.

open eye hallucinations are just a small part.


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Re: I believe I had a "breakthrough" [Re: kotik]
    #5788689 - 06/25/06 05:56 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

kotik;
well yeah.
but also
it just happens
and it is not a contest either.

vico;
prozac should raise your baseline a bit, and therefore put you more into the arena of effects.
configuration involves the complexity of being a person, more than just attitude, more than just what you wear eat or do,
it is also about a sense of timing and integration with other timings. what most people simplify into the idea of "patience" is actually all about timing and getting in synch.

these are issues I am sure you have struggled with extensively on your path towrads prozac.
all the paths become noble if permitted to shine.
but I am blind to the actuality of what you face and what you want, just aware of yearning, and, well, it's all ok.


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Re: I believe I had a "breakthrough" [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5789340 - 06/25/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Kras, if you are referring to weed, no. I haven't smoked in years.

Kotik, Salvia is the first hallucinogen that I have experienced, I haven't ate Mushrooms yet, but during this experience, it was totally different. Looking back I did experience ego loss, because I was in the living room, but I didn't know I was in the living room, nor did I know I existed, I was just there. I know that doesn't make sense, but that is why I believe I had a breakthrough. Your breakthough experience might have been bad, but mine was quite pleasant.

Vines, I appreciate your comments and help, you gave me the info i needed.


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Re: I believe I had a "breakthrough" [Re: Vico]
    #5790016 - 06/25/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I broke through my very first time. You have to make sure to smoke it properly. I used a bong and a jet lighter took as much smoke as i could into my lungs, held it in for as long as i could which was 17 seconds and when i blew out the smoke before i new it i awoke out of a subconscious state 30 minutes later not knowing anything confused as hell. I don't remember anything really. But my friends told me i sat in a chair totally gone staring at nothing mumbling and slowly moving my hands. I found the experience pretty much useless as i don't remember a single thing. I want to experience salvia without breaking through and see what the difference is.


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