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OfflineTheGus
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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: Basilides]
    #5792596 - 06/26/06 01:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

look up astral projection and you will know why i believe a soul exists


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Invisibledblaney
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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: Basilides]
    #5792723 - 06/26/06 02:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I said:
"I see no reason for accepting the existence of a permanent self/soul."

You said:
"Soul is synonymous with Consciousness."

Same thing still applies. The consciousnesses that collectively compose what is conventionally referred to as "me" (eye consciousness, ear consciousness, nose consciousness, mouth consciousness, body consciousness, and mind consciousness) have not always existed, and will indeed cease to exist. They exist in dependence upon the necessary causes and conditions and therefore they are impermanent and do not inherently exist.


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: dblaney]
    #5793394 - 06/26/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I wasn't really talking of consciousness in a medical sense, rather preceding being. The essence of divinity that is within everyone and is essentially who they are. I don't believe I have a spirit, I know that ultimately I am spirit, a preceding essence, that merely happens to be individuated through a one-way world view. The "soul" of each man is like a mysopiate that absorbs individual experiences in life, enjoining it into Oneness again, bringing forth a single experience of humanity before the Breast of God. My life, like yours, will melt into a single living Life at death. Your experiences will become mine, and mine will become yours. The looking eye of billions of souls become a single eye that adores the Beloved.

I agree with you, the self is not real, but our experiences are. The self dies, but the experiences of the individual self do not. These experiences constitute the Divine Spark of a person. Ultimately it's the re-establishment of these life experiences into the Identity of God that make up the "eternal life" that is talked about in the Gospels.

Honestly, I don't expect a non-stop journey into the Fullness of the Divine. I expect a long drawn out physical life with the sensation that with each passing year I am being drawn away from God as opposed to nearer. Death will cease me and paralyze me, and my brain conjugated consciousness will fade to black forever as who I am becomes dust. This is where the mythology of the Risen Christ comes in play. The blackness will be shattered by the Unmitigated Clear Light of Reality. "I" will realize that "I" am dead, however the only thing that is living are my experiences. I would have no end or beginning, nor even the capacity to reflect. My spirit is unto a drop of water in the ocean. Once that drop enters the ocean, it becomes lost in pure simplicity, in complete bliss. This is the Glory, and this is the Goal of the Soul.


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OfflineSchwammel
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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: Basilides]
    #5793677 - 06/26/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Twinkle, twinkle, little star,
How I wonder what you are.
Up above the world so high,
Like a diamond in the sky.
Twinkle, twinkle, little star,
How I wonder what you are!

When the blazing sun is gone,
When he nothing shines upon,
Then you show your little light,
Twinkle, twinkle, all the night.
Twinkle, twinkle, little star,
How I wonder what you are!

Then the traveler in the dark
Thanks you for your tiny spark;
He could not see which way to go,
If you did not twinkle so.
Twinkle, twinkle, little star,
How I wonder what you are!


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: Schwammel]
    #5794566 - 06/27/06 12:23 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The soul.

The psychedelic experience.

I experienced the same moment several times(terrifying, am I stuck?), and none of my friends did.

Which tells me, I am not my memory. I am not a closed cirquit. I am not merely the sense of the physical.

I am something that reads my memory, and for some reason it lapsed/erred/freaked-the-fuck-out.

I am that which watches.

Be it consciousness, or soul - be it mine, or be it all.

Or be it my dead paranoid eternal delusions, fleeing from themselves.

Some/somebody/someone/something is watching a movie.


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: slaphappy]
    #5794744 - 06/27/06 01:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

nothing exists
the little star that burned so bright(millions of years ago)
the memory that was created overnight(delusional)
here yesterday gone today,,,
or is that suppose to be
here today gone tomorrow!!!
or was it here yesterday gone tomorrow???
stop the world "i want to get off"

...

or is it here tomorrow
gone today(or yesterday)???


Edited by Schwammel (06/27/06 04:09 PM)


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: Schwammel]
    #5795032 - 06/27/06 07:13 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You should change your name to Mr. Gubjet. :wink:

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Peace. :mushroom2:


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OfflinePanoramix
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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5796000 - 06/27/06 02:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"if the brain is a closed circuit, where do new ideas come from?"

Your senses, I think most would argue, are the input mechanism for your brain which may otherwise be considered a closed circuit.

"and this is the Goal of the Soul."  -- Basilides, you're a poet.  Do you know it? 

"I am that which watches."  -- Slaphappy
So when the movie stops, the Observer disappears, or just wanders off to the next show?
In terms of my opinion, I'm inclinded to agree with Basilides, the Soul/spirit/whatever you want to call the non-physical aspect of existance is just a fragment of a greater whole as it exists in people or other living organisms.  Individuality is lost upon death and the soul's re-emergance with the fullness of non-physical being, but it doesn't much matter to those experiencing that loss of self.  Hurray for acid for preparing folks for permanent ego-death! :tongue2:


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: Panoramix]
    #5796104 - 06/27/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

the Soul/spirit/whatever you want to call the non-physical aspect of existance is just a fragment of a greater whole as it exists in people or other living organisms. Individuality is lost upon death and the soul's re-emergance with the fullness of non-physical being, but it doesn't much matter to those experiencing that loss of self. Hurray for acid for preparing folks for permanent ego-death!

Nothing personal. :grin: :thumbup: :mushroom2: Hooray for LSD :heart: :sun:


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OfflineSchwammel
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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: Icelander]
    #5796210 - 06/27/06 03:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

or is it here tomorrow
gone today(or yesterday)???

these are plausible, choose your weapon...

is it here tomorrow gone today?? that kinda sounds like the fuzzy warm feeling we all get from jesus.

or is it/

... here tomorrow gone yesterday?

i'l leave taht for yo

Ps...the promise of 'salvation' but you have to do it yourself. why talk of one god, one 1ness, when the world dances?

in your case it's 'dances w/ coyotes'


Edited by Schwammel (06/27/06 04:24 PM)


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: Schwammel]
    #5798474 - 06/28/06 05:29 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Lets dance


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: slaphappy]
    #5798580 - 06/28/06 07:43 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I've realized that this question doesn't need answering, but any answer is the answer to this question, your concept is yours, Mine is mine,


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