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Does the soul exist?
    #5789867 - 06/25/06 04:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

There is no proof to me to suggest that a soul exists, the whole idea of a soul comes from a religious text and really there is no scientific evidence to back it up, but yet people readily accept the notion of a soul or spirit,is there a spirit thats the real me, there is no real me or I, we have a conscious awareness, but this doesn't constitute a soul, I'm not a hundred % either or, I just don't know why people accept this as common fact, maybe because people want to believe in an after life, so they accept this notion of a soul as an adequate explanation that we will live forever in some form or another.


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: capliberty]
    #5789922 - 06/25/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

there is no proof.

but there is evidence

does the soul exist? 

yes and no. 

It does not physically exist.

but it does exert influence over the physical plane. 

there is more to existence than that which physically exists. 

MUCH MORE!!!  :smile:


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: capliberty]
    #5789929 - 06/25/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Nah nothing is permanent, not even you!


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: dblaney]
    #5790001 - 06/25/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Thats the thing, there is no real me, the only me, is my physical senses, my mental conceptions, and once those seize to exist, then how do I identify who I am, is the soul an attempt to explain my unique identity after my physical and mental is no longer there, and if I'm not consious and I forget everything, and I can't distinguish myself in the after world, then I essentially don't exist anymore, but does that really matter, you don't exist, you don't exist, is that what eternal rest means, because your no longer subject to anything,


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: capliberty]
    #5790015 - 06/25/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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capliberty said:
There is no proof to me to suggest that a soul exists, the whole idea of a soul comes from a religious text and really there is no scientific evidence to back it up, but yet people readily accept the notion of a soul or spirit,is there a spirit thats the real me, there is no real me or I, we have a conscious awareness, but this doesn't constitute a soul, I'm not a hundred % either or, I just don't know why people accept this as common fact, maybe because people want to believe in an after life, so they accept this notion of a soul as an adequate explanation that we will live forever in some form or another.




There are a couple of questions I'd ask you in return:

You say there is no evidence of soul, so
What is this soul of which there is no evidence? What is soul supose to be? And what kind of evidence would you expect from it?


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5790057 - 06/25/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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What is this soul of which there is no evidence?




I don't know what it is, nothing, so guess there wouldn't be no evidence,

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What is soul supose to be?




It suppose to be you, with no physical body, and its the core source of life or something.

evidence?

don't know, maybe out of body experience


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: capliberty]
    #5790063 - 06/25/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Supose to be you? Yes, but where is it supose to be located? What is it supose to be made of?


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: capliberty]
    #5790107 - 06/25/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

evidence?

where does the brain store memories?

if the brain is a closed circuit, where do new ideas come from?


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5790120 - 06/25/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know, good questions, if I knew I'd tell you, to me seems unproven, having a soul seems to be optional, since I don't know what it is, in fact I don't really need a soul, shoot life might be better without having one I just wondering what other people think. Its not that I really need to justify it to myself.


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: capliberty]
    #5790127 - 06/25/06 06:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

you can't lose your soul, you can only lose touch with it. Its always there, no matter how far you run away from it, you always end up right back where you started from, eventually.


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: capliberty]
    #5790140 - 06/25/06 06:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

No soul IMO. :thumbup:


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5790141 - 06/25/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Who saying I'm running away from it, maybe I'm running towards it, the truth that is, to me a soul might give a person the notion he's more than he is, his ego inflates because he actually thinks he is something,


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: capliberty]
    #5790150 - 06/25/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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capliberty said:
I don't know, good questions, if I knew I'd tell you, to me seems unproven, having a soul seems to be optional, since I don't know what it is, in fact I don't really need a soul, shoot life might be better without having one I just wondering what other people think. Its not that I really need to justify it to myself.




My point is just that, concluding that there is no soul is a bold statement considering you are anybody else doesn't have the slightest idea about its technical side (where is it and what is it made of).
You can't find or even see evidence of something if you don't know what you are looking for or where to look.

Is there evidence of mooziefleckers? You don't know, because you have no idea what they could be, and where are they supose to be.
Should you look for them in your cup of coffee? Or maybe you should check out radars in the airport control tower to see if there are any. Or should you get tested for them in the hospital? Or perhapse you should check if they are soled in the local store?


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: Icelander]
    #5790165 - 06/25/06 06:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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No soul IMO. :thumbup:




don't slide down the drain just yet, Icelander!

We still need you for mass executions of useless people! :wink:


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5790214 - 06/25/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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My point is just that, concluding that there is no soul is a bold statement considering you are anybody else doesn't have the slightest idea about its technical side (where is it and what is it made of).




I haven't concluded anything yet, why is it so bold about showing some skepticism, if I truly believe in something I'll seek to understand what it is, that is if its anything at all, to seek truth I must be impartial to both sides, instead of just accepting it as common knowledge, or being pro about it, thats being biased. Because then I'm just trying to seek justification for what I want to believe. Which religion is really guilty for


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5792018 - 06/26/06 10:22 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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My point is just that, concluding that there is no soul is a bold statement considering you are anybody else doesn't have the slightest idea about its technical side (where is it and what is it made of).
You can't find or even see evidence of something if you don't know what you are looking for or where to look.

Is there evidence of mooziefleckers? You don't know, because you have no idea what they could be, and where are they supose to be.
Should you look for them in your cup of coffee? Or maybe you should check out radars in the airport control tower to see if there are any. Or should you get tested for them in the hospital? Or perhapse you should check if they are soled in the local store?




I think it's an even bolder statement to say that there IS a soul or self or atman or whatever. If you want to assert the existence of something, then the burden of proof is on you who does the asserting (not necessarily referring to you OWS, but to anyone who makes that assertion). For millenia people have attempted to prove the existence of soul/self but there has yet to be a proof that is more than speculation or guessing.

I see no reason for accepting the existence of a permanent self/soul. It's an extreme as far as ideas go.


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"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
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Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5792022 - 06/26/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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DoctorJ said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
No soul IMO. :thumbup:




don't slide down the drain just yet, Icelander!

We still need you for mass executions of useless people! :wink:




:confused:


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"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
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Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: dblaney]
    #5792028 - 06/26/06 10:25 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Don't worry about it, just a random drive-by flaming.  :lol:


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: Veritas]
    #5792064 - 06/26/06 10:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

:lol:

Pretty flower in your sig, btw. Macro photos of a flower actually seen through a raindrop are really cool looking too.


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"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
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Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln


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Re: Does the soul exist? [Re: dblaney]
    #5792543 - 06/26/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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dblaney said:
Quote:

OldWoodSpecter said:
My point is just that, concluding that there is no soul is a bold statement considering you are anybody else doesn't have the slightest idea about its technical side (where is it and what is it made of).
You can't find or even see evidence of something if you don't know what you are looking for or where to look.

Is there evidence of mooziefleckers? You don't know, because you have no idea what they could be, and where are they supose to be.
Should you look for them in your cup of coffee? Or maybe you should check out radars in the airport control tower to see if there are any. Or should you get tested for them in the hospital? Or perhapse you should check if they are soled in the local store?




I think it's an even bolder statement to say that there IS a soul or self or atman or whatever. If you want to assert the existence of something, then the burden of proof is on you who does the asserting (not necessarily referring to you OWS, but to anyone who makes that assertion). For millenia people have attempted to prove the existence of soul/self but there has yet to be a proof that is more than speculation or guessing.

I see no reason for accepting the existence of a permanent self/soul. It's an extreme as far as ideas go.




Soul is synonymous with Consciousness. It seems the word has been beaten down into a fantastical image of some kind of celestial body as opposed to a more meaningful droplets of consciousness becoming earthen from the vast ocean of consciousness. Asking one to "prove" the existence of soui/spirit is one-footed, and one might as well be asking for a metaphysical formula of reality, or the most fierce of all philosophical debates, the existence of God. Whether God (the Fullness of Consciousness) or Spirit (individuated consciousness), all is made up of the same phenomena, the same metaphysical phenomena that "rationalists" expect to be bottled into a test tube for extensive study. Never going to happen.


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