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InvisibleMosis
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Upper limit on a mushroom dose
    #5789672 - 06/25/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hello, first post here, and I'll post my first trip later on, but I just have one question about dosage.

Consider a sample of P. cubensis. Most FAQs/guides say that 3.5 - 5 g dried material is a "strong" dose. My question is, at what point does taking more mushrooms not make a difference anymore?

For example, if 5 g totally floors me and results in a Level 5 experience, will taking 6 or 8 g make it even stronger? Do the effects plateau after around 5 g, or is there an even higher upper limit on the dosage?

I haven't been able to find much information about this elsewhere.

Thanks in advance!


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Re: Upper limit on a mushroom dose [Re: Mosis]
    #5789682 - 06/25/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Don't play with anything like that untill you know whats what. The effects probably don't stop changing the trip untill upwards of 14 grams. Even then, not many can really come back out of it and remember exactly how strong it was compared to other trips. I don't see anything but harm coming out of anything higher than enough for a level 5.


Edited by TheMadConductor (06/25/06 03:42 PM)


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Re: Upper limit on a mushroom dose [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5789707 - 06/25/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You're body would probably just puke them up. Or possibly get a hangover? Think about other drugs. It would probably result in an overdose. There is always too much.


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Re: Upper limit on a mushroom dose [Re: Mosis]
    #5789716 - 06/25/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

There are several things to keep in mind while thinking about a "maximum dose".

First, with mushrooms there is almost ALWAYS a noticeable effect from taking a larger dose. The question is whether or not the noticeable effect is what you want.

An easy example of an effect most people would not want is nausea or physical discomfort. Taking 10 grams of dried mushrooms will result, for many people, in pretty severe gastro-intestinal distress, and not even just from nausea. Sometimes higher doses of mushrooms can actually make your stomach seem to hurt in some users.

Another posibility is that the effects will last longer, something that you may not necessarily want. While it might at first seem obvious, something along the lines of "I like tripping, so obviously I'd like tripping longer" this isn't always the case. Sometimes, especially if you're in dosage territory you haven't been in before, it can be comforting knowing that a very intense trip will end in the near future. As the trip lasts longer than you anticipated it is easy for panic and all manner of painful thought-loops to set in.

Then there's the actual effect on tripping. Taking more mushrooms will almost always make the trip harder. Even if you have experienced ego-death, it is possible to go further. You could be reborm amidst different or unfamiliar surroundings, visuals can become so foreign as to be meaningless, and your own thoughts can take on lives of their own.

There are certainly far more intense experiences out there on higher doses, it's just a question of whether those experience will be as insightful, enjoyable, or productive as lower doses.

Hope this helps in some way.


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Re: Upper limit on a mushroom dose [Re: Phishe]
    #5789719 - 06/25/06 03:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

No one can take a lethal dose (Like goto the hospital type deal) of mushrooms, but they can most certainly "Overdose" (of the "Man I think I took too many" kind)

Be responsible with these drugs, respect what they can do to you, and show you. Don't eat them like a dessert.


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Re: Upper limit on a mushroom dose [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5789812 - 06/25/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you all for the replies!

I just recall someone telling me that eventually, there's no point in taking mushrooms because the effects just stagnate, and I was wondering what a realistic, "Level 5 jackpot" dose would be, and at what point one should stop increasing the dosage.


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Re: Upper limit on a mushroom dose [Re: Mosis]
    #5789936 - 06/25/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Taking the "heroic" doses may be a great story to tell, but for many 3 grams or even two grams may be a very profound experience.

While I certianly have no problem with taking a large 5 gram dose, I get the feeling that many here look at it as more of a competition than a spiritual, insightful experience. I'm not saying you are doing that, Mosis, but I would like to also say that the power of the shrooms should be respected.


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Re: Upper limit on a mushroom dose [Re: Mourningdove]
    #5789978 - 06/25/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Words of advice:

Mushrooms are always unpredictable, no matter how much you know about what strain/potency/ and the dosage you are taking, you will never know where the experience may take you.

Sometimes the exact same dose of the same species can be alot stronger or alot weaker, just be careful and take your time with changing your doses. If you get everything you need out of 3.5 grams, why waste more mush?

oh ya, and welcome to the wonderful world of mushrooms.

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Re: Upper limit on a mushroom dose [Re: sandman_130]
    #5790382 - 06/25/06 08:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If you are looking for more out of the experience, consider combining syrian rue with the mushroom. This link http://www.erowid.org/plants/syrian_rue/syrian_rue_info3.shtml has some basic information. Good luck


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Re: Upper limit on a mushroom dose [Re: Mourningdove]
    #5790433 - 06/25/06 08:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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I get the feeling that many here look at it as more of a competition than a spiritual, insightful experience.




Excuse me ... but ... what?

Where did you pull that shit from? Oh ... your ass? Mmmm thought so.

How about you make less assumptions, cause, well, you make yourself come across as a complete dick.


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Re: Upper limit on a mushroom dose [Re: Mourningdove]
    #5790631 - 06/25/06 09:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Mourningdove said:
Taking the "heroic" doses may be a great story to tell, but for many 3 grams or even two grams may be a very profound experience.

While I certianly have no problem with taking a large 5 gram dose, I get the feeling that many here look at it as more of a competition than a spiritual, insightful experience. I'm not saying you are doing that, Mosis, but I would like to also say that the power of the shrooms should be respected.




I totally respect the power of the mushroom. My first trip (now posted) was on 2.5 g dry cubies, and it was "Level 2"-ish. I'm really making this topic out of curiosity. I wouldn't imagine that tripping to level 5 all the time would really be necessary, but it is nice to know upper limits.


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Re: Upper limit on a mushroom dose [Re: Mosis]
    #5790718 - 06/25/06 09:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

you can take several ounces... and some really courageous (some may be crazy and/or stupid) people do. I wouldn't doubt that there may be a great deal to learn at such doses. Not many are willing to take the risk to get there to find out...


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Re: Upper limit on a mushroom dose [Re: Ngalyod]
    #5791110 - 06/26/06 12:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

:dudewtf: take a damn :chillpill: and calm the fuck down. its just his opinion so you dont have to freak out


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Re: Upper limit on a mushroom dose [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #5791119 - 06/26/06 12:12 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

^and thats to the Ngalyod, btw


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Re: Upper limit on a mushroom dose [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #5791260 - 06/26/06 01:01 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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:dudewtf: take a damn :chillpill: and calm the fuck down. its just his opinion so you dont have to freak out




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Re: Upper limit on a mushroom dose [Re: Ngalyod]
    #5791748 - 06/26/06 06:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

it's also a very personal deal! the upper limit for you may be 8 dry grams while mine might be 15...

and that's just my subjective viwe because tomorrow i might decide that my upper limit should be broken and gobble down 25 grams to discover i was comfrtable with that dose and i might actualy do it again some day :shrug:

with time you learn what to expect and wether or not you want to go as high as that and adjust the dose to that!


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Re: Upper limit on a mushroom dose [Re: Simisu]
    #5791811 - 06/26/06 08:13 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

At high doses you dissolve, the world dissolve and you're freaked out and totally reseted. Just like being dead. If you take much more you'll probably pass out or lay with fear and terror on your face. You'll be totally disconnected from the world. You'll be fucked up.


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Re: Upper limit on a mushroom dose [Re: Ngalyod]
    #5791850 - 06/26/06 09:01 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Ngalyod said:
Quote:

Mourningdove said:
I get the feeling that many here look at it as more of a competition than a spiritual, insightful experience.




Excuse me ... but ... what?

Where did you pull that shit from? Oh ... your ass? Mmmm thought so.

How about you make less assumptions, cause, well, you make yourself come across as a complete dick.




Well that was deep!


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Re: Upper limit on a mushroom dose [Re: Mourningdove]
    #5791934 - 06/26/06 09:48 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I hope you learned your lesson, mourningdove.


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Re: Upper limit on a mushroom dose [Re: Mourningdove]
    #5791936 - 06/26/06 09:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

you may be able to relate to this.you may not..
i remember my first trip on shrooms, i was destined to find these i do believe, i came across a huge patch of cyanescens at a mates house after sifting through his garden, quite contrare indeed... (he didn't know he had them) so instead of just the normal day we were used to, just smoking pot, kicking around the area...we had a day we all couldn't explain at the time nor a year later even , nor 2 years even,anyway
i will never ever forget that experience "the way things were, and how time and myself at the time diluted  so quickly into what seemed to be the  approaching off absolute nothingness',the course of events that day seemed unimaginable at the time"... when i new what i was dealing with, an active species... i proceeded to romp down about 30 carelessly then about 20 more right out of the garden, effects hit instantly... i had taken acid only twice before and tripped hard, but it was nothing like this... within an hour i felt myself starting to sort of dissolve...
at a point early on we thought it be a good idea to leave the house...we went down a track to get to a beach, and i proceeded to leave my body for a moment of unknown time and had extreme out of body experience, where i could 'literally look down upon myself from above' This 1st trip has helped shape and mold me to stand on the ground firmer in a sense , into who i am now, and i owe it more than i have given it credit for. I'm sure i still can learna alot from what happened to me that day.  Over the years, i have had multiple trips on mushrooms since then, possibly 50-100+ trips of all sizes (impossible to remember exact amount) and so i find myself having alot more respect and time for our little friends down under with the plants...you learn new things every year and that mushrooms aren't to be abused.... What i thought would be interesting for you to note is that, to expect or have expectaion for any experience to do with tripping and tryingto set out to get something achieved, is almost always going to fail you and so it is best Ive found, whilst tripping to Go in with a very open mind... i like to take it to the extreme when i feel the time is necessary instead of dibbling and dabbling in little trips here and there, although that can be fun at home, it leaves one feeling unsatisfied ... take it to the bridge!!!! i think large dosages are a good idea for everyone! currently I'm hoping to get some Decent sized shrooms  together even if it takes me till end of next season, Ive had a few good trips already, i wont be having anymore though, untill i get some long stem gems !!! let the hunting begin!!! seems i cant get any big ones with ease and I'm not that into Aucklandaii either... its a matter of getting good shrooms to you know!!!....big developed beasts...... ready to be eaten (8 that's what produce my best trip... lots of em with an open mind... :mushroom2:


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Re: Upper limit on a mushroom dose [Re: Kras]
    #5792439 - 06/26/06 12:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'm willing to bet the reason you didn't find much information on doese higher than 5 grams is because few people go beyond it. :grin: And like others have said, the power of the experience grows exponentially with higher doses.

Out of curiosity, has anyone here ever dosed so high that they have no recollection of the experience at all? Doesn't seem desirable to me, and I'm not sure if it's possible on mushrooms, but I know for a fact it can happen on salvia... :ooo:

Quote:

Kras said:
At high doses you dissolve, the world dissolve and you're freaked out and totally reseted. Just like being dead. If you take much more you'll probably pass out or lay with fear and terror on your face. You'll be totally disconnected from the world. You'll be fucked up.




Effects will probably depend on the user, but that seems like a very realistic result of said heroic doses.


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Re: Upper limit on a mushroom dose [Re: ThreePieceSuit]
    #5794974 - 06/27/06 06:04 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

In a sense, i came to a realisation that there seems to be potential for theory of Absolute Nothingness at extremely high dosages to sort of come through, shedding light on all that we know, exposing darkness not creating or manifesating it in any way , some of us are taught from a young age (such as at school) things that do not really matter to us. except in an absolute material sense.
If we can awaken ourselves to the fact we have an amazing awareness of oneself and everyone as one...
shouldn't drugs exist as pleasures of life.not rulers of peoples sub conscious minds and thoughts, thus taking you away from any goodness you could get. We almost need to be taught guidelines for drugs, however it';s like theres people out there who don't want us too do this though, otherwise material interest might start to decrease... But mostly and sadly drugs they are mis-used through a lack of respect and true representation and or not knowing what they can do and the effects they can have on people , ..to often substance abuse creates much more negative energy, than positive thus people full themselves to think they are feeling good, but really they are fooling themselves, nsubstances are Not to be abused? and it seems we are "led like sheep"by a bunch of people who don't know any better. How more aware of life would we all have the chance to be if we could actually tune into whats actually going on a bit better, could really help us live our lives better than we actually do, at a young age, we all wonder where we came from...
i think everyone can have a better sense of awareness of oneself and everyone as a whole if we can except life for what it actually is and isnt, ... ... most of the peole teaching us in schools and other places that are said to count and influence a great deal of us alot if we do not choose to except them as they are, they do not seem to me to ascertain any real sort of soul awareness or positive energy ,some try, but it is not essentialy enough....otherwise things could be different. It is a huge shock to some peoples systems, that we may have been asleep, when we wake up, and it can take a while to realise what actually happened... and it feels like your dying, but really shouldn't we consider it more ultimate joy of knowing ourselves and becoming more aware... for some it is impossible to come to terms with...i guess. I love this sort of shit YAHAHAHAHAHA


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