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UN urging global gun control, UN still a bunch of spineless jerks.
#5789662 - 06/25/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=/ForeignBureaus/archive/200606/INT20060620a.html
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CNSNews.com) - A push for global gun control gets under way next week in New York City, when the United Nations opens a conference intended to curb the international arms trade.
Amnesty International, Oxfam International and the International Action Network on Small Arms (IANSA) are pushing for a treaty to "protect civilians from armed violence."
Those three groups -- which have formed a coalition called the Control Arms Campaign -- say their goal is to reduce arms proliferation and misuse -- "and to convince governments to introduce global principles to regulate the transfers of weapons." They are urging the United Nations to impose a "binding arms trade treaty."
According to Amnesty International, nearly 2 billion people live in deep poverty, a problem made worse by the "uncontrolled proliferation of guns and other weapons that also fuels human rights abuses and escalates conflicts." Amnesty International claims that weapons kill more 1,000 men, women, and children every day.
"It doesn't have to be like this," Amnesty International says on its website. The Control Arms Campaign believes a global Arms Trade Treaty is the solution.
But in the United States, defenders of the Second Amendment are insulted by what they see as a carefully timed assault on the U.S. Constitution.
They note that the U.N. Conference on Global Gun Control will run from June 26 - July 7 -- a time span that includes the Fourth of July, Independence Day.
The U.N. conference poses a direct threat to America's constitutionally protected individual right to keep and bear arms, said Alan Gottlieb, founder of the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF).
Gottlieb, who plans to attend the U.N. conference, is urging the U.S. government to reconsider its financial support for the United Nations, given its effort to undermine the Second Amendment.
"Had it not been for our tradition of private firearms ownership, our citizens might still be subjects of the queen," Gottlieb said in a press release.
"Had it not been for America, all of Europe might be speaking German. Were America not the 'great arsenal of democracy' that President Franklin D. Roosevelt described in 1940, the world would be a far different place, and the sanctimonious bureaucrats at the U.N. might instead be working in labor camps."
Gottlieb finds it troubling that as the United States celebrates its 230th birthday, global anti-gunners "want to create a binding international agreement that could supersede our laws and Constitution.
"We have done much for the U.N., and in return, the organization has hosted despots, tyrants and dictators whose record of human rights abuses, aggression and genocide speaks for itself. And now comes an attack on our Constitution, on our national holiday.
"America has always answered the call to help our international friends and neighbors," Gottlieb observed, "but when our very way of life is attacked, maybe it is time to find more worthy endeavors for our material and financial support."
At the United Nations' first small arms conference in 2001, the United States rejected the idea of global gun control.
John Bolton - the current U.S. ambassador to the United Nations - in 2001 was serving as U.S. Undersecretary of State for Arms Control. He told the U.N. conference in 2001, "The United States believes that the responsible use of firearms is a legitimate aspect of national life."
According to the United Nations, the upcoming small arms conference is intended to assess progress made since 2001 and actions needed to further stem illegal small arms trade. "Crush the illicit trade in small arms," the U.N. website says.
In a "Frequently Asked Questions" section, the U.N. says although the 2001 small arms conference did not define "small arms," the United Nations General Assembly issued a document in 2005 defining "small arms and light weapons" as "any man-portable lethal weapon that expels or launches...a shot, bullet or projectile by the action of an explosive.
Broadly speaking, the website says, "small arms" are weapons designed for individual use. They include revolvers and self-loading pistols, rifles and carbines, sub-machine guns, assault rifles and light machine guns.
"Light weapons," according to the website, include heavy machine guns, hand-held under-barrel and mounted grenade launchers, portable anti-aircraft guns, portable anti-tank guns, recoilless rifles, portable launchers of anti-tank missile and rocket systems, portable launchers of anti-aircraft missile systems, and mortars of a caliber of less than 100 millimeters.
Can anyone believe the UN has the gall to tell us that the proliferation of weapons is the fall of society. When the UN has been funneling weapons and arms to Bosnian Mujahadin in the late 90 via the Thirld World Relief Agency. The use of Sex slaves and human traffiking via umbrella organizations like Dyncorp, The UN's Rampant use of corrupt private security and scandals that involve them.
If anyone has any brains they would take up their arms against the UN what a bunch of bullshit.
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Re: UN urging global gun control, UN still a bunch of spineless jerks. [Re: JonPathetic]
#5790676 - 06/25/06 09:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am confident the fascists would do well to not take away the guns of ordinary citizens, as owning guns gives the ordinary citizens a sense of security and makes then think (falsely) that the fascists have yet to gain control.
The fascists are firmly in control. Letting the citizens have their little 20th century firearms is no threat to them, and it helps them to gain legitimacy, since the population has been indoctrinated with propaganda stating that owning small firearms will protect them from tyrany.
Meanwhile, this same population is subjected to a non-democratic, fascist system. Especially in USA.
If I were a fascist in power, like the American government is, I would feel doubley confident knowing that the citizens feel protected by their little pop-guns, while I have satelites, nukes, the army, navy and air force, laser guided missles etc.
The most successful fascist agenda is one where the subjects mistakenly think they are free, yet all fall into line or go to prison.
Hats off to American fascism. They finally got it right this time.
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Re: UN urging global gun control, UN still a bunch of spineless jerks. [Re: carbonhoots]
#5791327 - 06/26/06 01:25 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good point. You hear so many gun enthusiasts claim it gives them "freedom" yet they remain so enslaved and cowed that to ingest certain plants results in them being jailed. Sure sounds like "freedom" to me 
Meanwhile people in the netherlands (with the strictest gun control laws on the continent) can smoke dope and take mushrooms at will. Go figure.
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Re: UN urging global gun control, UN still a bunch of spineless jerks. [Re: carbonhoots]
#5791372 - 06/26/06 01:42 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Take a look at most predominant fascists and take a look at their gun control policies. I can cite a good reference to this logic, The night of broken glass in germany probably could of been prevented if Hitler didnt convince germany to take away jewish weapons.
Government are afraid of armed citizenry for the simple fact that at any moment they can mount a populist insurrection if needed. What makes you think a populist insurrection could never take off in this country. It almost happened in the 60's with the Kent state shootings and the growth of underground organizations like Weather Underground and Black Panthers.
If their would ever be a armed insurrection in this country it would be multiple reasons. Their are plenty of groups in this country with defacto "Primary Loyalties" Groups like the Branch Dividians, Radical Mormonism,Extremist Hispanic seperation groups, Street gangs and drug organizations. These all have the power to capitlize on a current situation.
I would like to see what happens when their are more devestating hurricanes and people start losing more faith in their elected officials. When this event happens it could in a 1/25th chance erupt a populist insurrection.
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Re: UN urging global gun control, UN still a bunch of spineless jerks. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#5791404 - 06/26/06 01:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The night of broken glass in germany probably could of been prevented if Hitler didnt convince germany to take away jewish weapons.
I don't think so. Gun ownership in Nazi Germany amongs jews wasn't commonplace even when there was no gun control. The jews had been through pogroms before and never launched revolutions against the state. Why do you think they would have risen up over the night of broken glass? To be honest, the jews fighting back with guns would have played right into Hitler's hands and justified even harsher measures being taken agains them.
The weimar republic introduced gun control before Hitler to try and take away some of the Nazi power. Perhaps if they'd introduced it earlier and been stricter the Nazi's would have never gained power. Hitler with 3 million armed stormtroopers was a helluva lot more of a force than 3 million unarmed men.
It almost happened in the 60's with the Kent state shootings and the growth of underground organizations like Weather Underground and Black Panthers.
I don't think the weathermen or the panthers ever came close to a revolution.
These all have the power to capitlize on a current situation.
Not with guns tho. I think they'd get a lot furthur with other methods than using guns. The Branch Davidians tried using guns once and look what happened to them.
When this event happens it could in a 1/25th chance erupt a populist insurrection.
Does a population need guns to have a revolution tho? Did the upheavals in countries on eastern europe in the late 80's involve much armed violence by civilians? Look at Iraq - supposedly the people were "tyranised" by Saddam. Iraqis are armed so why didn't they fight back?
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Re: UN urging global gun control, UN still a bunch of spineless jerks. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#5791638 - 06/26/06 04:33 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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That argument makes no sense in the 21st century. The government has F-16's and Apache helicopters now, the idea of a popular revolution in a developed, industrial nation is ridiculous. Not to mention we are talking about elected officials here (as you said yourself). When a population revolts it's normally to remove a dictatorship with burned out political capital, not someone they voted into office and who's on his way out in a few years anyway.
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Re: UN urging global gun control, UN still a bunch of spineless jerks. [Re: Basilides]
#5792007 - 06/26/06 10:19 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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the idea of a popular revolution in a developed, industrial nation is ridiculous
there is a recent thread on this subject that i am going to bump.
i think the discussion in this thread it missing the point. gun rights proponent that i am, i don't think that the campaign referenced in the title of this thread is a threat to the idea or practice of lawful, civilian gun ownership. they're trying to limit the proliferation of illicit international small arms trade, which i agree causes more harm than good in many parts of the world. it is not a proposed worldwide ban on civilian gun ownership.
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Re: UN urging global gun control, UN still a bunch of spineless jerks. [Re: wilshire]
#5792021 - 06/26/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good pont.
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Re: UN urging global gun control, UN still a bunch of spineless jerks. [Re: Alex213]
#5793037 - 06/26/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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It almost happened in the 60's with the Kent state shootings and the growth of underground organizations like Weather Underground and Black Panthers.
I don't think the weathermen or the panthers ever came close to a revolution
Yes their could of been a insurrection at that time, it was all lined up, their had been massive protests and riots and the entire US was split into a two divisive groups, Anti-war and Pro-War. Their was a small percentage it could of erupted into a armed insurrection.
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These all have the power to capitlize on a current situation.
Not with guns tho. I think they'd get a lot furthur with other methods than using guns. The Branch Davidians tried using guns once and look what happened to them.
Your missing my point, What im trying to get at is if their ever was a massive failure of government. Believe me their are crazy rednecks around this country in droves that would in seconds take up arms against their government if they needed too, all their needs to be is just a real good reason, as Bob Dylan said the times they are a changin'
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When this event happens it could in a 1/25th chance erupt a populist insurrection.
Does a population need guns to have a revolution tho? Did the upheavals in countries on eastern europe in the late 80's involve much armed violence by civilians? Look at Iraq - supposedly the people were "tyranised" by Saddam. Iraqis are armed so why didn't they fight back?
Their was plenty of armed upheavels in the Eastern Bloc after and during the fall of the Berlin wall, The first probably being Czechlosovakia in 1968, Azerbajian, Chechnya, Belarus, Republic of Georgia and the Balkans, These wars all resulted from the power vacuum that was left because of Soviets collapse.
Soviets were collapsed not because their was a populist sentiment all thought it probably had a lot to do with it. Soviets had simply spent themselves out of government.
The Shiites and the Kurds have both had armed resistance towards Saddam, The 1993 Shiite Revolution was probably the biggest, We had refused to help them which was a terrible mistake on the US's part.
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Re: UN urging global gun control, UN still a bunch of spineless jerks. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#5793072 - 06/26/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes their could of been a insurrection at that time, it was all lined up, their had been massive protests and riots and the entire US was split into a two divisive groups, Anti-war and Pro-War. Their was a small percentage it could of erupted into a armed insurrection.
I highly recommend watching the weather underground.
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Re: UN urging global gun control, UN still a bunch of spineless jerks. [Re: Vvellum]
#5793511 - 06/26/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes their could of been a insurrection at that time, it was all lined up, their had been massive protests and riots and the entire US was split into a two divisive groups, Anti-war and Pro-War. Their was a small percentage it could of erupted into a armed insurrection.
I highly recommend watching the weather underground.
Yea that does look excellent, plus its content from the original members.
Also if your interested in that check out the FBI's COINTELPRO operations of the 60's, Weather underground was one of the few organizations that was immune to it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
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Re: UN urging global gun control, UN still a bunch of spineless jerks. [Re: carbonhoots]
#5795552 - 06/27/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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carbonhoots said: I am confident the fascists would do well to not take away the guns of ordinary citizens, as owning guns gives the ordinary citizens a sense of security and makes then think (falsely) that the fascists have yet to gain control.
The fascists are firmly in control. Letting the citizens have their little 20th century firearms is no threat to them, and it helps them to gain legitimacy, since the population has been indoctrinated with propaganda stating that owning small firearms will protect them from tyrany.
Meanwhile, this same population is subjected to a non-democratic, fascist system. Especially in USA.
If I were a fascist in power, like the American government is, I would feel doubley confident knowing that the citizens feel protected by their little pop-guns, while I have satelites, nukes, the army, navy and air force, laser guided missles etc.
The most successful fascist agenda is one where the subjects mistakenly think they are free, yet all fall into line or go to prison.
Hats off to American fascism. They finally got it right this time.
I wouldn't write guns off as being completely useless. Just look at Iraq. The only thing the Iraqi's have as far as weapons go that the average American doesn't is RPG's. They seem to be causing plenty of problems. Not even close to ever winning but the allied forces are not even close to gaining total control. Did you know you can render a Abhram's tank useless with a Molotov cocktail? A EMP bomb would leave them worse of than us. The only advantage they have is in the air which is not too effective against guerrilla ware fare. There is also the possibility of South America providing the American people with weapons too.It's not to late but as technology improves those pop guns really will be useless.
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Re: UN urging global gun control, UN still a bunch of spineless jerks. [Re: buckwheat]
#5795591 - 06/27/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I forgot to add the biggest victory on their side was to destroy the ability for us to organize. Guns are still a major threat to them
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Re: UN urging global gun control, UN still a bunch of spineless jerks. [Re: buckwheat]
#5795828 - 06/27/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wouldn't write guns off as being completely useless. Just look at Iraq.
Gun ownership has been rife for decades so why they didn't they overthrow Saddam?
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Re: UN urging global gun control, UN still a bunch of spineless jerks. [Re: Alex213]
#5795910 - 06/27/06 01:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't know to be honest i wouldn't know enough about the situation over there before the invasion.
In my opinion guns are not meant to win the battle but the war.One of the main tactics of Guerrilla warfare is to win over the people. In a preemptive strike this wouldn't work because of "terrorism". But say the US army started taking guns away.Soldiers would have to kill armed civilians and as much as the Military brainwashes it's soldiers this would cause alot of them to want to defect.At least i hope so there is no telling really. Without guns John the grunt wouldn't get a chance shoot at the regular Joe patriot wearing a American flag t-shirt.If gun confiscations happened with foreign troops i would think that would alert the military men even more,especially those at the top.
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