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Another Wollongong ID Request * 1
    #5788000 - 06/24/06 11:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Location: Mt Kiera, Wollongong, Australia. I found these in the rainforest, amidst dead leaf matter and moss. There were some tall weeds nearby.
Gills: Dark ocre/ brown. Some are attached. More spaced than most I've seen, but not a lot more.
Measurements: Stems: 5cm, Caps: 2.5-3cm.
Stems: yellowish white. Twisted. Quite fibrous. Where there is bruising there is the appearance of veins. Somewhat pliable. They seem to be solid rather than hollow.
Cap: A dark brown in the centre and around the edges - the rest was a much lighter, creamy brown. This lighter colour seemed to come about with drying, to the extent that the ones shown in the photo are almost entirely the lighter colour. I have included the third picture to demonstrate roughly the colour that they were when I first picked them. Some of these, however, were of the lighter colour when I first picked them.
They are flat-convex, becoming more concave with size. They are umbonate with a small, pointy umbo. Wavy around the edges for some, especially the larger ones. The texture is smooth, with a slightly slicky feel.
Bruising: Most have patches of blue on the stem, some stems are very blue, some have no apparent bluing. The caps of some of them are also bluing slightly.
Smell: A very mild smell of ordinary mushrooms, only sweeter.
Spore print: Very dark greyish brown. A suggestion of purple from a distance, but I can't be sure.



These next ones were not very far away, but they were larger (stems 8cm, caps 4-5 cm) and darker than the others, and their stems were slightly more strait. They bruised beautifully! They were growing in a more sheltered, moist environment. I figured they were probably of the same species, but then thought I'd let the experts decide.

[img=http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3209/mush26xb.th.jpg]

And, as stated before, this one is just to show you their colour before they started to dry.

[img=http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1918/mush36cv.th.jpg]

Your help in identifying these would be greatly appreciated. Could I also get an indication of how certain you are in your identification. I was also wondering, has anyone that we know of become sick or worse due to an incorrect identification made on this forum.
I hope you don't take that question as disrespectful, but you'll understand that this is not the kind of activity that I want to be treating lightly and taking unnecessary risks.
Thanks,
Prometheus.


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Re: Another Wollongong ID Request [Re: Prometheus_9] * 1
    #5788011 - 06/24/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Psilocybe subaeruginosas congrats! check each one for bluing though you want to be safe :thumbup: edit: to answer ur questions I am 100% sure those mushrooms in the photo are subs, their appearance is unmistakable


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Re: Another Wollongong ID Request [Re: tryptonite] * 1
    #5788220 - 06/25/06 12:07 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks very much tryptonite!
Though I would like a second opinion, I'm beginning to think about where to go from here.
The mushrooms on display in these pictures are the only ones I found. I've dried them out. I have never used this kind of hallucinogen before, but I've been studying them for some time. I dont know how potent these mushrooms are. If one were to ingest all of the mushrooms depicted here, is there any way of knowing how 'strong' the experience would be?


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Re: Another Wollongong ID Request [Re: Prometheus_9] * 1
    #5788420 - 06/25/06 01:52 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

yeah good call. it is always smart to get other peoples opinions, wont be long before others reply hopefully. those 4 matures and the pin shouldnt be too strong of a trip, not too weak either though. in fact its probably a good first dose to become familiar with the effects


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Re: Another Wollongong ID Request [Re: tryptonite] * 1
    #5788522 - 06/25/06 03:03 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, I agree with Tryptonite.

I think they're Psilocybe subaeruginosas, and I think I can see bluing on the photos you posted. On the middle mushroom, about centre of the stem. I found a heap very similar to those, if not exactly the same, growing under again, similar conditions, and they were great, I just tried them a few days ago, excellent stuff. I hope you enjoy whatever you do with them, and I hope you find more so you can really enjoy yourself. Look around the area, in similar conditions, you'll find more.

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Re: Another Wollongong ID Request [Re: Linja] * 1
    #5788662 - 06/25/06 05:24 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Tryptonite, I'd just like to clarify, when you say the four matures and the pin, do you mean those in the top photo?
Did you check the mushrooms in the second photo, which were larger, and if so, could you confirm they are the same species?
How strong an experience would I have with all seven and the pin?
Apologies for being so pedantic about this, but the scientist in me insists that I know exactly what it is that I'm doing, and some suggestion of what I'm likely to expect.
It's not so much about being afraid of a strong experience as it is that I want to be able to set up the environment appropriately... No point coercing a friend of mine into reading the literature in order to help her to guide me if I'm going to have little more than sensory enhancement.
Thanks so much for your help so far, and thanks Linja for your confirmation.
Prometheus.


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Re: Another Wollongong ID Request [Re: Prometheus_9] * 1
    #5790125 - 06/25/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Tryptonite, when I compare the mushrooms I've found to the the pics of the subs in your gallery I notice that they don't look very much alike. Are there different kinds of subs?
Mine, for example, were never of that nice caramel colour, nor were the stems that really silky white. The caps didn't seem so round in the juveniles. For future identification, what are the features of these ones (and others?) that make their appearance so 'unmistakeable'?


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Re: Another Wollongong ID Request [Re: Prometheus_9] * 1
    #5790196 - 06/25/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If you had found those in Ohio, I would have given you a %100 ID of Psilocybe caerulipes.

I have never seen Ps. subaruganosus, but I can tell you for certain those are active wood-loving psilocybes. Don't pay much attention to color and shape so much; these are highly variable. Look for a pelicle, blue bruising, and smell.


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Re: Another Wollongong ID Request [Re: shroomydan] * 1
    #5791475 - 06/26/06 02:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Some of the stems on those look a little dark. Did they all stain blue?


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Re: Another Wollongong ID Request [Re: Prometheus_9] * 1
    #5791876 - 06/26/06 09:23 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Prometheus_9 said:
Tryptonite, I'd just like to clarify, when you say the four matures and the pin, do you mean those in the top photo?
Did you check the mushrooms in the second photo, which were larger, and if so, could you confirm they are the same species?
How strong an experience would I have with all seven and the pin?
Apologies for being so pedantic about this, but the scientist in me insists that I know exactly what it is that I'm doing, and some suggestion of what I'm likely to expect.
It's not so much about being afraid of a strong experience as it is that I want to be able to set up the environment appropriately... No point coercing a friend of mine into reading the literature in order to help her to guide me if I'm going to have little more than sensory enhancement.
Thanks so much for your help so far, and thanks Linja for your confirmation.
Prometheus.




i hadnt noticed those other photos but i just checked them and they are all subs. Having all of them could be a little strong for a newbie but should still be managable. Nothing wrong with being careful in fact good on you for doing so. To be extra sure yourself check each specimen for blue bruising and a purple-black sporeprint. Also you can check for crowded brown gills but i have seen subs with gill colours from cream, to light yellow to chocolate brown. After a while of finding them and confirming each one it becomes easy to identify them just based on their distinctive psilocybe appearance. Closer examination of gills and stem usually rules out mushrooms that look like subs from the top.

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Prometheus_9 said:
Tryptonite, when I compare the mushrooms I've found to the the pics of the subs in your gallery I notice that they don't look very much alike. Are there different kinds of subs?
Mine, for example, were never of that nice caramel colour, nor were the stems that really silky white. The caps didn't seem so round in the juveniles. For future identification, what are the features of these ones (and others?) that make their appearance so 'unmistakeable'?




They actually do look similar to subs we get but not the dark brown capped ones. But when they dry out and go hygrophanous they change colour like that. For example this photo ive just uploaded today looks similar to your subs. But if you go through all my photos you will find some that are nearly a splitting image of what you have.



To learn the idenifying characteristics I recommend you do some research, borrow some field guides and goto bluemeanies site. However I find that subs vary immensly in SA and descriptions of typical specimens in other states usually doesnt match up.

Here is a description I wrote based on the subs I have been finding during the last three years:

PILEUS Umbonate or conical then maturing to plane, always with an umbo. 0.5 to 5 cm broad. Surface is smooth and margin is translucent striate when moist. Colour can vary considerably from light to dark brown, orange brown or bright to faded yellow, drying to golden brown. The margins are inrolled in most specimens and there may also occasionally be segmented or speckled white fragments present, which are remnants of the veil. This species is hygrophanous and therefore aged specimens may sometimes show fading at the top of the cap, causing two distinct shades of colour, usually a lighter colour in the center.

FLESH White, thin. Rapidly bruising blue when damaged.

LAMELLAE Pale yellow-brown or chocolate brown to dark purple. Mostly crowded, ascending, thin and unequal, adnate to adnexed.

STIPE White or mottled brown often blue at the base, covered in fine dingy gray streaks and is fibrous and hollow. The base is often thickest part, it may sometimes be swollen or stuffed and the entire stem will, occasionally show twisting and splitting. Can grow to 12 cm in length and to 5 mm in diameter. There can be minor traces of an annulus which is coloured purple-black from the spores, although this is rarely present.

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Re: Another Wollongong ID Request [Re: tryptonite] * 1
    #5791892 - 06/26/06 09:32 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

these ones look quite similar to your specimens actually



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Re: Another Wollongong ID Request [Re: tryptonite] * 1
    #5801600 - 06/29/06 12:39 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, those are quite similar to mine when they had partially dried out.
I've dried them out completely now. I didn't realise I would need to do a spore print of all of them, and now it seems to be too late. Is this completely necessary, or do I have enough info to be sure enough?
The mushrooms that didn't show definite signs of bluing I've put aside and have no intention of using.
Also, now that I've dried them out they smell a little funny. Kind of a mixture between a sickly sweet smell and feet. Is that normal? They don't show any visible signs of contamination.


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Re: Another Wollongong ID Request [Re: Zen Peddler] * 1
    #5801647 - 06/29/06 12:53 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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bluemeanie said:
Some of the stems on those look a little dark. Did they all stain blue?




Some had a lot of bluing, some had only patches, the others had a vague suggestion of blue but I couldn't be sure.


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    #5801995 - 06/29/06 02:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Another Wollongong ID Request [Re: Zen Peddler] * 1
    #5842449 - 07/10/06 01:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Shroomydan said :
If you had found those in Ohio, I would have given you a %100 ID of Psilocybe caerulipes.


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bluemeanie said:
Some of the stems on those look a little dark. Did they all stain blue?


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Prometheus_9 said:
Some had a lot of bluing, some had only patches, the others had a vague suggestion of blue BUT I COULDNT BE SURE.




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Location: ".......amidst dead leaf matter and moss "


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"............but I can tell you for certain those are active wood-loving psilocybes. "




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Prometheus_9 said :
For future identification, what are the features of these ones (and others?) that make their appearance so 'unmistakeable'?


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Look for a pelicle, blue bruising, and smell.





PELLICLE and SMELL have nothing to do with absolute delineation of Psilocybe subaeruginosa from poisonous mushrooms........ Safe delineation of SUBs is acheived by the combination of SPORE COLOR of DARK PURPLE BROWN to DARK PURPLE BLACK.......... AND ..............CLEAR DISTINCT NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT BLUE BRUISING......until you can identify SUBs without these characteristics present....

SUBs can have a spore color that can be BROWN but so can many potentially deadly mushrooms and the PURPLE being present in the spore color eliminates ( delineates ) these and a definate BLUE bruising reaction eliminates ( delineates ) other mushrooms that have the same color spores as SUBs which are potentially deadly..........BUT DON'T BRUISE BLUE !!!

I see no definative clear evidence of either proper delineating spore color OR distinct bluing for the thumb above .........not to mention the fact that they're was never any mention of them visually loving any wood .....???


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Gills: " Dark ocre/ brown. "
Bruising: "............. some have no apparent bluing "
Spore print: Very dark greyish brown . A suggestion of purple from a distance, but I can't be sure .
Stem : They seem to be solid rather than hollow.








These deadly Cortinarius rotundispora of Shroomernicks from Australia have gills that are ochre / brown. And notice the same whitish cap color with the same golden colored nipple ( umbo ) in the middle of it along with this Cortinarius having typically ochraceus - brownish tones on the stem same as the mushrooms in the thumb provided above.






From the non - closeup, non - detailed pics, lack of any clear bluing on my moniter, and the information provided.....the thumb pic above could be any of countless mushrooms....


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Re: Another Wollongong ID Request [Re: shroominDole] * 1
    #5853659 - 07/13/06 02:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

look mate, those are definately subs. There is definate bluing and the sporeprints are not always purple black. I have seen brown sporeprints. I have picked thousands of these so they are very distinguishable to me. and how could u even identify subs if u live in california and probably have never even seen them in real life or picked them. and I bet that the author of the post is not only still alive but probably had a good trip from them definate SUBS


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Re: Another Wollongong ID Request [Re: tryptonite] * 1
    #5853731 - 07/13/06 03:34 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think shroomydan ment pelicle, blue bruising, and smell all in conjunction with one can be used for identification. Rather than seperate features that can be used for identification. I agree smell is not a very good identification feature unless youve smelt them before or have an accute sense of smell.

As for the ID:
Rotundisporus usually has a metallic blue cap and blued stem when fresh, the bluing is innate as in subs the bluing is 'induced'.

The mushrooms in prometheus 9 pics have a fibrous white stem with brown mottling and evident bluing reaction in most specimens. Rotundisporus stems arent fibrous. The wavy cap in the pics is common in subs and i dont think ive ever heard of rotundisporus with an upturned margin. Hygrophanous fading is present in the subjects which im quite sure is not a feature of Rotundisporus. I can see purple in the gills in the cap thats upside down. Just as a note the 'purple' spores are a really darkish colour and not a vibrant violet, so the coloration is not blatant.

Now lets focus our attention on this picture: http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mush36cv.jpg
THis is the freshest specimen which is best for id. The cap is brown, but rotundisporus caps when fresh are prominently metallic blue and not brown. The stem is white at the top an the rest is brown due to mottling. Rotundisporus does not have any white on the stems.

This is evidence basically suggest subaeruginosa.


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