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InvisibleVeritas
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The Origin of Discrimination
    #5786993 - 06/24/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It's only human to notice differences between ourselves and those around us. Our neighbor might have more money, darker skin, or be more physically fit. Conversely, he could be mentally ill, uneducated, socially inept, or morbidly obese.

The question is, why proceed from this observation into a global judgment? Why use the few details we are able to observe in order to decide whether we are better or worse than our neighbor?

Is this competition? Will filtering details through a "winner" or "loser" screen allow us to determine our chances as a competitor?

Is this a lack of self-love? Do we need to measure our success or failure as a human being based upon the perceived qualities of others?

From there, once we have determined that someone is "worse" than we are, why do we progress to the concept of discriminating against them? They have less than we do, are less than we are, therefore they deserve less consideration, fewer rights, abuse, isolation?

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Re: The Origin of Discrimination [Re: Veritas]
    #5787012 - 06/24/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

We're insecure, we "need" to feel value in our own lives, so we judge the lives of others to feel a bit better about ourselves.
This is an illusion though, cuz in the long run, it doesn't make one feel better. So yes, I would say it's a lack of self-love.


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Re: The Origin of Discrimination [Re: Triplexiosis]
    #5787088 - 06/24/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The orgin of your belisf...

waht t\hell

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Re: The Origin of Discrimination [Re: Veritas]
    #5787100 - 06/24/06 05:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Veritas said:
It's only human to notice differences between ourselves and those around us. Our neighbor might have more money, darker skin, or be more physically fit. Conversely, he could be mentally ill, uneducated, socially inept, or morbidly obese.

The question is, why proceed from this observation into a global judgment? Why use the few details we are able to observe in order to decide whether we are better or worse than our neighbor?

Is this competition? Will filtering details through a "winner" or "loser" screen allow us to determine our chances as a competitor?

Is this a lack of self-love? Do we need to measure our success or failure as a human being based upon the perceived qualities of others?

From there, once we have determined that someone is "worse" than we are, why do we progress to the concept of discriminating against them? They have less than we do, are less than we are, therefore they deserve less consideration, fewer rights, abuse, isolation?




Even though I don't quite believe in the current idea of origins of humans, I'll use that theory to illustrate..

music cue: Wagners Also sprach Zaratustra

A plain stretches without any signs of man, the evening is quiet, lions can be heard in the distance. The air is warm and smells of flowers.
A seemegly desolate landscape is disturbed by a subtle movement in the shadows of an aincient tree.
A closer look reveals a dozen hairy creatures resting. They are the earths future, and they are earths death, yet they aren't so much different from apes to the senses.

We will call them "the A tribe"

The silence of the moment is broken, as a few silouethes move
by the bushes. The A tribe is alarmed. Their hearts beat in terrible primordial fear as they focus their primitive eyes and open the irises to see what is going on.

And behold, a couple more creatures of the same sort come out of the bushes.
They stop and look.

The A tribe has their brains working double shift trying to analise what they are seeing. What they see is a creature similar to them, only this creature has larger foreheads than the A tribe.
The A tribe is puzzeled. They are same, yet different...

The A tribe doesn't know what to do, how to react, they had never seen these ugly creatures.
The smart one among them, we shall call him George, uses primitive logic:

-they are us
-they are different

computing

...

...

..

computing

-of course!!

George takes a stone and starts throwing it at the newcommers, killing one of them in one single hit to the head.
The victim falls down. The rest of the newcommers escape.

George is honored in the A tribe for defending their land from
newcommers who dared having larger foreheads.

As soon as George learned writing, he used a bone and wrote in the sand:

Rule 1:
-all men are to have small foreheads like I do, those who at present day don't have, should either come to our cave on saturdays to be executed, or should repend and start having a smaller forehead within a week.


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Re: The Origin of Discrimination [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5787148 - 06/24/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Its called cleansing, the top of the totem pole, is the ones that are "alpha", that have everything, are totally in balance, and their the ones that sets the rules, just like the animal hierachy, for others have to use their whitts to survive or even out the playing field

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Re: The Origin of Discrimination [Re: Veritas]
    #5787161 - 06/24/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Is someone is really 'evil', I think it does make sense to discern from him and his views, but for this 'discrimination' we must first know, where we stand and make it clear with all honesty.
So, self-love and more important self-understanding may be the way to more discrimination, by knowing our point of view, but also offers to understand the other one's point of view, the differences, to work toward a possible acceptance (if it is not plain evil) for a possible coexistence.
imho


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Re: The Origin of Discrimination [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5787170 - 06/24/06 06:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"Is this competition? Will filtering details through a "winner" or "loser" screen allow us to determine our chances as a competitor?

Is this a lack of self-love? Do we need to measure our success or failure as a human being based upon the perceived qualities of others?"

Hard to pick between those two, I'd say that for those who a decriminator determines are 'losers', acts of decrimination against them are intended to keep them securely in the loser column, and to bolster the discriminator's ego, which is likely bruised by the knowledge of the existance of others that are better than themself, the 'winners'. The winners would be dicriminated against to try and allow the discriminator to surpass them and be the superior competitor.

Yeah, if you're going to try to disguish yourself as a success or a failure, rather than as just a thing among things, you need to make value judgments about others, say, 'that dirty hippy needs to get off his ass, take a bath and get a job' or 'that mindless suit needs to take five and just chill for a bit, man'. They're not you and they're not trying to be you, but we can only judge them based on what we'd like them to be, which is rooted in what we'd like to be, ourselves.


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Re: The Origin of Discrimination [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5787504 - 06/24/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I saw an interesting show on Orangutans and a male who was a wannabe then later became the alpha male who kicked every other males asses and had the females literally laying on their backs begging him to fuck them.

It's all about the testosterone.


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Re: The Origin of Discrimination [Re: Veritas]
    #5791247 - 06/26/06 12:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Pleasure by comparison.

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