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Bardo?
    #5786976 - 06/24/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry if i sound like a fool, but what exactly is a bardo? In Leary's readings ive heard mention of bardo 1 and 2 and etc... But i dont understand what a bardo exactly is.

Any help is appreciated.


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Re: Bardo? [Re: Phishe]
    #5786999 - 06/24/06 05:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Bardo? [Re: Phishe]
    #5787005 - 06/24/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

This is what I got from a 1 minute search that I did for you:

The Bardo Thodol, sometimes called the Tibetan Book of the Dead, is a funerary text that describes the experiences of the consciousness after death during the interval known as bardo between death and rebirth. It is recited by lamas over a dying or recently deceased person, or sometimes over an effigy of the deceased. It has been suggested that it is a sign of the influence of shamanism on Tibetan Buddhism. The name means literally "liberation through hearing in the intermediate state".

---->These are different levels of the same idea when applied to the hallucinogenic experience. THANKS GOOGLE!!!


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Re: Bardo? [Re: stemmer]
    #5787016 - 06/24/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I may be wrong, but I think "bardo" literally means "hallucination"

"Tibetan Book of the Dead" is good, "The Psychedelic Experience" might be a better place to start learning,


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Re: Bardo? [Re: Phishe]
    #5787034 - 06/24/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

A Bardo being exists in between worlds. They are massive and inorganic.



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Re: Bardo? [Re: Nashbar]
    #5787036 - 06/24/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ya, there is no simple and good answer to this question unless you want to write a paper for this guy. It fits between death and rebirth, not the other way around.

But atleast this info might help him to put that part of leary's writings into context without much research. Even if you have never experienced such things.


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Re: Bardo? [Re: stemmer]
    #5787133 - 06/24/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

thanks for all the help


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Re: Bardo? [Re: Phishe]
    #5787182 - 06/24/06 06:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I think its really cool that you want to know.

Take it with a grain of salt, and experience the hell out of these psychedelics.

The smartest person I know(a well classified genius but couldnt tie his own shoes at the age of 10), is my trip buddy. He Is so smart and often we just cant stop talking. It would be so much better though if he added some culture to the mix. He knows nothing of bardo and knows more about hallucinogens than almost anybody(experientially, and has avoided the rhetoric). He also reads alot but its mostly gonzo journalism and samuel beckett(which is somewhat fitting for him).

Im not sure If he wants to read much more about hallucinogens, but if he did there are so many places where he could start to learn more.
So ya, I think that although a google search could tell you much more, a good question says alot.
DOnt let your expectations get the best of you after disecting certain books etc. Stranger than strange things can and likely will happen naturally.

I just wish more people had more of an inspired capacity to speak with a massive base of knowledge, even my friend who is very smart, but he is not the most creative or inovative. Many stand stills within our conversations have messed up the endless chain of thought at times. Still we are often essentially reading each others minds.
True group hallucinations. Then we laugh hysterically.....


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Re: Bardo? [Re: stemmer]
    #5789201 - 06/25/06 11:39 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Leary's Book is a drug induced version of a combination of two unrelated similar titles known as Tibetan and Egytian Books of the dead. The two have no relation whatsoever.

Thodal means = to speak, Bardo means = intermediate state. Bardo Thodal means to speak to those in the intermediate state.

In essence even the space between thoughts is the Bardo. There are many bardos, such as the bardo of dream, of sleep, of waking, of samadhi, etc....

The point of the Bardo Thodal is to guide the mind of the deceased to an awareness of itself as clear light awareness free from extremes and if the mind can relate then it can remain in the clear, as a child at the Mother Space Awareness's breast.

Otherwise the mind has many other opportunities to awaken, and they are described. Finally, if the mind has not awakenedafter death then also described is what happens, and how the mind rebirths.

Leary's version is interesting, but not based on proper understanding of the Bardo teachings proper, which really is called Shitro, which is the self-display of clarity as the 100 peaceful and wrathful deities which are ourselves in impulsive being, and which maintain and control our karmic vision and awakening therefrom.

Thus Bardo Thodal is a form of Shitro for the deceased. But Shitro can be practiced while alive as well.

http://www.pcddallas.org/Shitro_(Bardo)_Practice.htm

The reason I say Leary is confused, is besides the fact that he wasn't a fucking Tibetan scholar and he based his understanding on materialistic transliterations of one specific and now well known bardo text, is that he also wasn't well versed in the Vajrayana to whom teachings properly were revealed and belong.


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