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Salvia goddess, Sally Maria, Smeleves, anyone?
#5786078 - 06/24/06 08:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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So i hear a lot of talk about the salvia goddess "Sally Maria" the salvia elves and the dreamland... however there seems to be a lack of good trip reports for apparently the "real" reason to smoke salvia... Anyone have any good trip reports of this nature?
I first took an interest in elves after my last strong salvia experience. DMT produced nothing elf or gnome like, and i never really thought about them too much. Then after a rediculous hit of 10x, i foundmyseld holding on to prevent being pulled through a portal that had 2 elvish creatures by it calling me by name... i didnt let go, i didnt want to go through, i knew nothing about it. After researching it, found out there are "smelves" and this other realm.
Anyone here ever get there? 
-SDP
-------------------- Teonanacatl, open up my eyes This sacrament, this prayer, beyond the world of lies Guide me clearly through that which I dont understand Give me strength to find the path Help me fight any demons as you flow through me wholely This is my prayer, that you protect me from evil, and bring me closer to peace And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do Amen
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Re: Salvia goddess, Sally Maria, Smeleves, anyone? [Re: SDP]
#5786110 - 06/24/06 08:43 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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how about the creases of time? more real than real? but elves are not a reason they more of a reaction. self residue becomes an elf seeing you.
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Re: Salvia goddess, Sally Maria, Smeleves, anyone? [Re: redgreenvines]
#5786213 - 06/24/06 10:15 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Salvia is full of magical powers! It heals, guides, shows, explain and play with you. You contact with spirits.
On "standard" trip you feel things. On Salvia you see things and you are those things. You always fall into realm that is strange but familiar, like your home in dreams.
What makes it so special? Its far more magical then psychedelic. Intense visions. Total ego-loss fast and eternal like death.
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Re: Salvia goddess, Sally Maria, Smeleves, anyone? [Re: Kras]
#5786387 - 06/24/06 11:37 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree with the total instant ego-loss like death... in fact thats what it feels like, like you've somehow transported to another place, with the distinct feel that you cant go back to your normal self.... and you are extremely fucked. Ive read a lot of trip reports regarding various uses + experiences with salvia, but i find it very strange that there is this reoccurring theme in a lot of people's salvia trips... So if you believe salvia is magical, then you believe like those that believe in astral things, meaning, that somewhere there really exists a realm of existence where these salvia spirits dwell?
I find the ideas DMT proposes amazingly intriguing, however, Salvia has a lot harder and stronger lesson to teach, i think, and many more or extended versions of ideas... What it narrows down to, is i find it hard to believe they are all just archetypes stored biologically... This has to be some kind of real connection with some actual entity(ties). Anyway... any ideas? 
-SDP
-------------------- Teonanacatl, open up my eyes This sacrament, this prayer, beyond the world of lies Guide me clearly through that which I dont understand Give me strength to find the path Help me fight any demons as you flow through me wholely This is my prayer, that you protect me from evil, and bring me closer to peace And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do Amen
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Re: Salvia goddess, Sally Maria, Smeleves, anyone? [Re: SDP]
#5786653 - 06/24/06 01:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I learned about things that I would have never thought of on salvia divinorum. It's a spiritual thing for me. I have also discovered scary things about a world that wanted to take my soul because I was hurting nature! Pretty intense, but meaningful stuff!
-------------------- I believe with the advent of acid we discovered new way to think and it had to do with piecing together new thoughts of mind. Why is it that people think it's so evil? What is it about it that there is scares people so deeply? Because they are afraid that there is more to reality than they have ever confronted. That there are doors that they're afraid to go in and they don't want us to go in there either because if we go in, there we might learn something that they don't know. And that makes us a little out of their control.
Edited by colimon (06/24/06 01:52 PM)
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Re: Salvia goddess, Sally Maria, Smeleves, anyone? [Re: colimon]
#5786887 - 06/24/06 04:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I believe that it's false to divide ourselves from external world. Contradiction is obvious but real.
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Re: Salvia goddess, Sally Maria, Smeleves, anyone? [Re: SDP]
#5786963 - 06/24/06 04:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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SDP said: So i hear a lot of talk about the salvia goddess "Sally Maria" the salvia elves and the dreamland... however there seems to be a lack of good trip reports for apparently the "real" reason to smoke salvia... Anyone have any good trip reports of this nature?
I first took an interest in elves after my last strong salvia experience. DMT produced nothing elf or gnome like, and i never really thought about them too much. Then after a rediculous hit of 10x, i foundmyseld holding on to prevent being pulled through a portal that had 2 elvish creatures by it calling me by name... i didnt let go, i didnt want to go through, i knew nothing about it. After researching it, found out there are "smelves" and this other realm.
Anyone here ever get there? 
-SDP
Thats very similar to what I have experinced on salvia. For me it was a man and a woman. I couldn't really seem them I just felt thier presence and could hear thier voices. They also called me by my name. For me thier was an very intense light that they were in and were trying to get me to go to them but I felt very afraid and felt as if they would cause me harm. I literally stood up and tried to run from the light. It was a pretty scary experience. We had been smoking heroic amounts of 15x when this happend.
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Re: Salvia goddess, Sally Maria, Smeleves, anyone? [Re: TrippinTeddy]
#5787083 - 06/24/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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just as with choosing your own battles, you can choose what is significant to you - same thing.
I have not chosen to make the entities encountered more significant than the overall exploration of dreaming and wakefulness in general.
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Re: Salvia goddess, Sally Maria, Smeleves, anyone? [Re: redgreenvines]
#5787140 - 06/24/06 06:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Elves could be clusters of thoughts and facts all intertwined feeding back information to you within your own head at tremendous speeds. Seeming like an all knowing entity via your own perception of the world or the ambassador that comes to you during such experiences like a knock at your door or a phone call.
Or they could be somewhat related to DNA, and god only knows how far our present understanding of DNA can take us. We could have the blueprint of anything and everything right at or fingertips. Who knows???? (big bang, the backward and forward movement of time......) I think that is one of the things that make psychedelics so very amazing without me being too explicit about anything.
I could go on and on............ But have a thing about revealing my own experiences explicitly. I dont want to form an argument for people to shit on because I know what I know I have experienced. Plus im far to lazy right now, and that would take alot of time.
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Re: Salvia goddess, Sally Maria, Smeleves, anyone? [Re: redgreenvines]
#5788559 - 06/25/06 03:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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redgreenvines: what about meeting personalized forces that influence your life?
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Re: Salvia goddess, Sally Maria, Smeleves, anyone? [Re: Kras]
#5788703 - 06/25/06 06:14 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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kras; you do meet your life at every turn, and it is smart to be respectful to all the manifestations. when people are very hung up on particular embodiments of deities and elves, I find that I can accept those described events as proxies for their urgent needs to externalize the life that they are meeting at every turn.
stemmer; DNA is an evolved and interactive rule set for the planning department of our bodies a cellular level. Our complex DNA lets us grow into a shape so that we can up on our legs and smile, but it does not affect the content of what we say or see. Same as the city planning department tells you where and what you can build, but not what you can sell in your store or what kind of bedspread you can put on your bed, in the bedroom of the apartment that you build. The DNA may encode the waddle in your walk by specifying ratios of the pelvis to the femur and tibia, but it does not encode where you waddle to, who you waddle with, and when (except in a most indirect and abstract way - true, many have gone off into the sunset arguing about those abstractions).
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Re: Salvia goddess, Sally Maria, Smeleves, anyone? [Re: SDP]
#5788809 - 06/25/06 08:05 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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SDP said: Anyone here ever get there? 
-SDP
all the time. serves as both a humbling and inspiring experience.
however, i find it hard to put into words, and words have a way of perverting things, so i usually dont.. but I DO know what you mean by Smelves. crazy! for some reason they are always like "come on! lets all go! we're all going!" and i follow them, and everyone it just having a great time and laughing.
like i said, hard to put into words, without sounding like a madman
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Re: Salvia goddess, Sally Maria, Smeleves, anyone? [Re: kotik]
#5789179 - 06/25/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Speaking of the two elves and being sucked into a vortex, when I first started doing it I had this amazing experience where I found myself in this very strange green gradient world. It felt like I was moving right, or rather floating briskly to the right, and I heard a voice yelling in some strange language. Somehow I was sure at the time that I was leaving some sort of place or community, and that he was wishing me well as I went. I don't remember if he said my name, but I knew that he addressed me specifically.
Edit: Oh, and I also get the "Come on, let's all go!" thing from creatures I see on salvia trips! It's the strangest thing. I usually find myself feeling like I'm metaphorically wakling on thin ice, however, and don't follow them. Maybe I should, you know?
Edited by madMushroom (06/25/06 11:38 AM)
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Re: Salvia goddess, Sally Maria, Smeleves, anyone? [Re: madMushroom]
#5789312 - 06/25/06 12:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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redgreenvines: could be it... but you'll never know for sure 
madMushroom: I also had this community feeling. For me it was eternal place, like Heaven. With old, good but never realized friends. But something told me that we all will get there. Looks like we've found place before time and space 
kotik: I can refer to that "hurry up, let's go" because when I was crossing the reality I "saw" familiar places with strong inclination that I need to do something. That was very strange because I felt like being someone else.
P.S. Does anyone noticed altered dreams? I had strange, realistic dreams where I was a Nazi or cutting off my finger to see if I can feel the energetic one. It's funny because in the second dream I was regretting what I've done and a FEMALE said "you see? I told you".
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Re: Salvia goddess, Sally Maria, Smeleves, anyone? [Re: Kras]
#5790130 - 06/25/06 06:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I dont buy the DNA thing... kind of like the saying that all the things we see on DMT are our brain making sese of complex random patterns, that dreaming is just a result of chaotic neuorn firing... Then again it makes less since to believe in a a conciousness that get taken to a place in a realm on a higher plane. But i dont see how things that complex and similiar can just be a reaction and self-created...
A friend of a friend that was brought over to my apt yesterday had an interesting experience. I told him nothing except it will be overwheleming, and it will put him in another dimension. He smoked it, freaked out as everyone does, then was in awe for hours about his trip... which was him being pulled through a hallway by 2 "people like entities" he said, when asked, werent particularily elf-like or gnomeinsh, pulling his arms and telling him (as hes looking at me + the other guy in the room) that we arnt real, and ntohing here is real, and to come with them. And kept emphasizing how nothing here was real and he needed to let go and go where they are taking him.
Interesting to say the least, if anything, peaked my interest more now...
i hit a little bit of leftover 10x last night, not enough for a breakthrough at all, but definately enough to give me that painful salvia fealing... makes me scared... I hope to explore this world soon though. 
-SDP
-------------------- Teonanacatl, open up my eyes This sacrament, this prayer, beyond the world of lies Guide me clearly through that which I dont understand Give me strength to find the path Help me fight any demons as you flow through me wholely This is my prayer, that you protect me from evil, and bring me closer to peace And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do Amen
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Re: Salvia goddess, Sally Maria, Smeleves, anyone? [Re: SDP]
#5790650 - 06/25/06 09:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is a great thread. Very good explanation of Salvia, Kras. Glad to see another anarchist here, as well.
I also get a very exciting, community feeling. Like meeting old friends.
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Re: Salvia goddess, Sally Maria, Smeleves, anyone? [Re: avapxia]
#5791832 - 06/26/06 08:44 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I also don't buy this all scientific stuff. When I'm psychodelized and I want to explain with science what is happening the spirits just laugh at me. Then I laugh with them
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Re: Salvia goddess, Sally Maria, Smeleves, anyone? [Re: Kras]
#5792668 - 06/26/06 02:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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there is a profound sense of normals being unable to ever get it right when you are on the other side.
I mean, when really really strange, it is patently clear, that the normal-ish state of mind is just incapable of getting it at all. too much is missing (here), utterly inaccessible, the smells tastes, views, and other unsouvenired senses are unconveyable from that side to this other.
here is a gem on the topic of entities though
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throy said: PEOPLE
Romantic Salvia Thread
This is a little old.... But fuck... this is beautiful
I couldnt even post in it... To say so
Didn't wanna upset it.
since Im drunk...also.... I bring it here
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Re: Salvia goddess, Sally Maria, Smeleves, anyone? [Re: SDP]
#6098323 - 09/25/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow I can't believe I saw that, "hey! Lets go! Come with us!" That happened on my first breakthrough, it was a woman, with a few other entities that I could not see, but knew they were there. The woman I could see as a woman, though I could not see features or detail. Right before my trip I kept saying "I'm ready to do this, I understand blah blah blah" well I get there, total loss of ego, no clue who or what I was and I'm being told "You said you were ready, everything was just a dream and you woke up! Come with us, lets go!" And I remember at that point being very afraid that what I perceived to be my life was a dream. And at that moment while there thinking about my life (after they said you were just dreaming I realized that I was "Jake" with an identity and life that I had left, and it seemed like it was ages and ages ago) but I felt my life was somewhere far away, some distant memory that I was just remembering. It seemed as if my life was literally DREAMED UP one night in this weird world, and I had forgotten that it was a dream to the point that I was caught up in it and forgot the true reality or life or whatever you want to call that world. But I panicked and told them "no no I'm Jake, I have a mom, dad, sister, I have a room with my stuff in it" After I said that I got a very very distinct feeling someone was behind me dragging me by the collar of my shirt. I was fighting against it when I looked around and realized I was in my room again. I layed on my bed terrified for about an hour while the experience soaked in. The next time I broke through the same woman was there, and she said very simply "Remember what happened to you the last time? Well its about to happen again!" I got scared, she laughed then I just kept talking to my friends as much as possible when I came back to keep me from going insane because I thought she had me that time, although she was saying it in an almost friendly kinda messing with me way. I am almost ready for salvia again. I will be using it alone, and in the proper manner, so when I meet her again she will be happy with me, and maybe she will share many things with me, or perhaps will offer me to follow here again! But I am curious, has ANYONE actually gone with them and didn't think "oh shit if I go im never coming back" because it feels like reality and life is like 20,000,000,000,000,000 light years away? And do you think you have to have bad experiences with salvia to understand the opposite of bad, which is good. Knowing good experiences can create the opposite, bad experiences and knowing bad experiences can create an opposite good experience?
Edited by TheJakeyl88 (09/25/06 12:01 PM)
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Re: Salvia goddess, Sally Maria, Smeleves, anyone? [Re: TheJakeyl88]
#6099476 - 09/25/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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As someone who has his first salvia currently flowing through priority mail, I have to say this all sounds quite intense. It is what I know I need though.
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