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Valium to calm a trip?
    #5785950 - 06/24/06 03:44 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'm curious as to if anyone has any knowledge about this? I'm fairly unexperienced with LSD, and would like to try a pretty high dose, but am wondering if perhaps a valium (or two) would be able to relax me a bit if I feel like I am getting uncomfortable? (I'm very experienced with mushrooms, and have no problem having an enjoyable and enlightening experience - but LSD is something I've only dabbled in)

Any help or experience or links would be much appreciated... I'm also wondering about contraindications between the two.


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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: Ashland]
    #5786029 - 06/24/06 05:43 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If your "unexperienced" with lsd then why are you wanting to take a "pretty high dose"? That sounds unwise to me. Why not just use "enough" to get there? High doses of lsd aren't garunteed to give you a pleasant experience, and valium will just fuck your trip up no matter how much lsd you take.

Use a reasonable dose of lsd 1-2 hits max, any more than that (if its good lsd) and you will not be happy. In my experience anyway.

Valium is shitty and will ruin any entheogen that you might be using, once agian in my opinion....and trust me I am vastly experienced with both valium, and LSD.

Now if you insist on using copious amounts of LSD, and will not be talked out of taking the diazapam, then I would recomend using the "little blue pill" to come down with after the acid starts to wear off. I would not take the valium while I was tripping, it would greatly reduse the effects and would probably be a shitty trip.

Good luck...

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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: phungi]
    #5786193 - 06/24/06 10:04 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Who the fuck cares how much experience you have, are you going to say that many people don't take valium or other benzos to either calm them down from a trip, or for the comedown. Some people have accessive anxiety, and need to take benzos to NOT have a bad trip. I am one of those people, I take xanax everyday because of panic attacks and anxiety. I might be one exception, but a lot of people get body loads, negative thought, or other negative feelings from psychedelics and need benzos as well or else they wouldn't be able to trip without having a bad trip others might get bad feelings once in a while and take benzos to calm them down. I don't have a problem with your opinion, but to tell someone that you have a lot of experience, even though it is common for people to take benzos for tripping, you're leaving out a lot of information and being deceptive. The fact that you have so much experience leads me to believe that you have taken benzos while tripping more than two times, and if you didn't than you don't really know what your talking about. It took me a buncha bad trips to realize I needed to take benzos before dosing, I have mental problems though, but I don't think information should be withheld because you think that LSD+benzos=shitty trip. Give out all the information, as well as your opinion, but don't give your opinion and withhold information because you think a certain way.

Benzos can take the edge off of trip, but at the same time they can also just make you fall asleep, though this isn't very common on LSD. The more valium you take, the less anxiety and stress you have(one reason why it can be a good idea to have if you dose heavy). Benzos will not always take you out of a bad trip, sometimes it will, sometimes it will help, and sometimes it will do nothing. It can probally make the trip worse if you dislike the effects, but I have never personally heard of this happening, but I'm sure it has. 1 or 2 valiums will probally not have negative effects on the trip, though they might weaken the trip to some extent. If you haven't taken LSD very many times you might want to try a smaller dose, but if you are experienced with mushrooms you probally won't be suprised too much, especially if it isn't your first time though this depends on what you think a heavy dose is.

As I posted up above, psychedelics and benzos (valium) are a common mix because benzos overpower psychedelics to a point, if they ruin a trip or not is up to the user. If it was a popular opinion, I don't think so many people would use benzos and psychedelics, though most use it for the comedown, still many use it for the trip, especially if it gets too intense. This is because benzos calm you down and take the edge off, the less stress, the better the trip imo (though I don't think too many people will argue with that.) What I or anyone else thinks really doesn't matter, if you like benzos sober you probally won't dislike them while on LSD. You might not like aspects of them, but you can still feel the effect of valium thru the LSD.

If you can, going thru a trip without benzos is probally the best imo, but if you feel any negative feelings and if you have any problems, I would say go for it. If you don't want to take the valium, I would suggest at least having it with you in case you change your mind. Benzos for the most part are used as an aid for other drugs, whether for psychedelics, alcohol, opiates methadone especially, MDMA comedown, cocaine comedown, meth come down, even for marijuana comedown . Than of course a wd aid, and a sleep aid. Though not all of these are "safe" they are all common uses of benzos. Using it as an aid is quite common, recreational use of benzos is usually in combonation of another drug. Taking psychedelics and benzos is nothing new. Either way don't read too much into anyones opinion, use your opinion on what you know of valium now, if you take it for mushrooms, well LSD is pretty much the same ballpark. If you don't like how it goes with mushrooms, you probally won't like it with LSD, same ballpark once again. Have fun and good luck.


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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5786414 - 06/24/06 11:48 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

good info. phungi only has his opinions, which are his, so they might not be suitable for you.


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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: mushiemountain]
    #5786527 - 06/24/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the responses guys! To clear things up... no, I'm not taking "copious amounts" of acid, just more than I'm accustomed to. Secondly, I didn't plan on taking the Valium unless I felt like I needed to, so there's a very good chance I won't even want to take it.

p.s. thanks a lot twigged, real nice info!


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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: Ashland]
    #5786774 - 06/24/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Okay, well, if you take valium with the LSD.. you will find your body is less tensed up.. taking the valium AFTER the LSD helpy you to be able to get the well deserved/needed sleep most people want after a long trip


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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: Weebl8bob]
    #5791653 - 06/26/06 04:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

nice post twiggle. I wasn't aware that the dude was asking for a clinical analasis of weather or not he should use the "benzo". I readily admit that I am no doctor. And I was simply giving my opinion based on my experiences, so if you want to be rude, Fuck You.

Everyone that I know that uses xanax daily is pretty well fucked up all the time, and I personally think that in the long run the benzos simply confound the issue that brought you to them in the first place. Of course just my opinion.

And I do have plenty of experience with valium and acid, possibly more than you. Besides someone like yourself who uses benzo's daily HAS to have thier "fix" or they freak out....right? I already know the answer.

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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: Ashland]
    #5791661 - 06/26/06 05:12 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I highly believe in keeping a benzo near by just in case(just having the benzo eases your fears) I wouldn't take it unless u absolutely have too(and it can also be good at the tail end of the trip where things can get a lil rough sometimes)


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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5791666 - 06/26/06 05:32 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I highly believe in keeping a benzo near by just in case(just having the benzo eases your fears) I wouldn't take it unless u absolutely have too(and it can also be good at the tail end of the trip where things can get a lil rough sometimes)




Agreed :thumbup: Disclaimer: I wasn't really trying to say that I am agianst benzo's, or any other drug....I just like to be honest about drugs and I am opinionated.

I have taken enough valium, xanax, clonapin, restoril, lorazapam, ect. to know a little about the shit.

Fuckin Doctors are worse (by 1000x) than any street pusher!!

Tell em you can't sleep and they'll have you so fucked up you'll loose entire months......but you'll sleep :smile:.

I am in the "all drugs should be legal and available" camp, and truly believe that all adults should have the choice to take them or not, but guys like twiggles are going to make it sound like he "needs" his benzo's, and I believe that that is an illusion brought on by the drug itself.

If one is suffering exessive anxiety, or depression, I personally beleive (agian from personal experience) that benzo's are not the answer. (If you ask I'll tell what I do think some solutions are!!)

Of course this is MY experience, MY opinion.

And what the fuck do I know? Nothing really :wink:.

And its entirely possible that certian people DO need benzo's to get by, or maybe they just prefer life with them, and thats fine with me, have a droopy, sleepy, goodtime.

But please don't make benzodiazapines out to be gods gift to man, cause they are addictive and mess up MANY peoples lives. Unlike, the entheogens that are usually discussed on this board.

But to restate my opinion... I think that valium should be sold at the fuckin liquor store, right along with the reefer, and shrooms.....I just wouldn't buy any :grin: (of the valium that is).

Peace, and Respect,

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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: phungi]
    #5791674 - 06/26/06 05:43 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"I am in the "all drugs should be legal and available" camp, and truly believe that all adults should have the choice to take them or not, but guys like twiggles are going to make it sound like he "needs" his benzo's, and I believe that that is an illusion brought on by the drug itself."

I completely agree


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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5791684 - 06/26/06 05:53 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Cool someone on this board who agrees with me. I am marking this day on my calender :grin: :grin: :grin: lol.....but what ya gonna do?

For the record...I like drugs, its just that some of them don't like me!!

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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: phungi]
    #5791687 - 06/26/06 05:56 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I hear ya...opiates fuckin hate me! they seem to enjoy beating the living shit outta me emotionally and physically


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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5791700 - 06/26/06 06:12 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I hear ya...opiates fuckin hate me! they seem to enjoy beating the living shit outta me emotionally and physically




Sorry to hear that. :frown: I devoted an entire year of my life to opiates, and truly thought that I was going to die trying to kick. BUT I DID KICK!!! Its possible, believe me, its possible. But your going to need help. My wife was my savior, and instead of listening to the doctors fucked up advise we did much of our own research.

In my case it was oxycontin...mostly, or any opiate that I could get.

Perhaps there are some online resources for addicts who want to kick but aren't willing to buy into the whole "rehab", "NA", bullshit, but just wanna kick the goddamn brownstone.

if ya wanna talk about this subject more with me...send me a private message. I have successfully "recovered" from, alcohol, benzo's, opiates, and meth. As of this day I am plants and fungus only. 2yrs clean.....without rehab, psycotherapy, or narcotic anonamous. :cool:

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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: phungi]
    #5791703 - 06/26/06 06:15 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

oxy was mine as well...I kicked it recently :smile:

and I also agree that its best to do your own research...the docs will have u hooked on methadone and fucked for life so quick if u let em


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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5791706 - 06/26/06 06:16 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, kick ass, and congradulations!!! Didn't mean to ramble.


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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5791707 - 06/26/06 06:17 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I could not handle being surrounded by posters with bs on them etc in the detox center...I just wanted to scream! but u also don't want to fuck with ppls mindset who are trying to quit so u can't say anything


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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: phungi]
    #5791711 - 06/26/06 06:20 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

A pox on over-prescibing doctors!!! may thier writing hands wither and twitch, and may thier nutsacks tighten and itch. A pox on them I say!!

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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5791715 - 06/26/06 06:20 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

LOL u are fuckin hilarious man


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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: phungi]
    #5791718 - 06/26/06 06:24 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Rehab centers are a vacation from the real world, much like drugs themselves......just listening to thier bullshit is the true challenge!!

Addiction is a disease my ass.......more like a choice. But they have to blame it on something other than themselves....right?


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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5791720 - 06/26/06 06:25 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I gotta go but I do agree with you completely(finally startin to function like a normal person again :laugh:) talk to u later bro


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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5791723 - 06/26/06 06:26 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Peace out.

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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: phungi]
    #5792451 - 06/26/06 12:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

your absolutely right btw....u can't chose not to have terminal cancer...or something similar...thats a desease...addiction is a choice like u said...and while granted it is very difficult u are a human being in the end have free will and have the ability to stop at any point if u really want too

and TO my opinion is ur in complete denial of your addiction...your rationalization of needing benzos to trip is silly...I have a very severe anxiety disorder so I know about it....your still in avoidance which is the natural reaction to the feeling of a physical danger being present(only its not)...beating anixety is about purposely putting yourself into anxiety provoking situations...so by avoiding anxiety when trippin u are running away from your problem when the only way to beat it is to face it head on...look into cognitive behavioural therapy if u haven't already...u don't NEED benzos man...using them to assist in exposure therapy is one thing...but hiding away from the anxiety in a haze is quite another(and will lead to more depression and anxiety in the end) and the opiates are even worse ime...and actually would explain your generally nasty attitude...I had the same kinda attitude when I was on oxy...I would snap on ppl I loved dearly and say some really mean things...in fact I Totally ruined a relationship with a great girl who was in love with me(and I now know I Felt and still feel the same but its too late) but anyways thats a completely different story


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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5794194 - 06/26/06 10:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Where is this guy to respond....?? Surely he hasn't been asleep all this time. : )


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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: phungi]
    #5794253 - 06/26/06 10:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

would xanax be a good come down after or while tripping?


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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: Sage]
    #5794466 - 06/26/06 11:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'm here :-) I didn't end up using the valium... the acid was bunk :-(

Anyways, I was just curious as to if it would affect the trip in such a way as to calm it... I didn't fully intend to actually try it myself - I much rather prefer to experience LSD by itself (I dislike smoking weed with it as well).

I think for some people it may be beneficial though, if they are prone to lots of anxiety. Then again, perhaps they should get that straightened out before they trip.


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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: Ashland]
    #5794645 - 06/27/06 12:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i am in the "all drugs should be legal camp" too because after a while drugs won't be 'cool'a lot of people(kids especially) won't use them anymore and you won't find fake acid or fake e or dirty heroin or murders over drugs or money wasted on the drug war and prison space that is needed for real criminals would open up!!!!


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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: new_to_shrooms]
    #5794916 - 06/27/06 04:31 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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new_to_shrooms said:
i am in the "all drugs should be legal camp" too because after a while drugs won't be 'cool'a lot of people(kids especially) won't use them anymore and you won't find fake acid or fake e or dirty heroin or murders over drugs or money wasted on the drug war and prison space that is needed for real criminals would open up!!!!




Exellent points....don't forget this one......responsible adults would be able to get high without fear of persecution.....wow what a world that would be!! :grin:


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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: Sage]
    #5794919 - 06/27/06 04:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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would xanax be a good come down after or while tripping?




Yes. Xanax will definately bring you down. :confused:


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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: Sage]
    #5795055 - 06/27/06 07:36 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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would xanax be a good come down after or while tripping?




I find xanax to be great during certain trips. For me it bring clarity to the trip, relieves any anxiety, and doesnt actually bring down the trip itself. I usually eat .5-1gram though. Not alot, but it doesnt take much with xanax. Just depends on the trip, the situation, all that good stuff though. Tripping and benzo's shouldnt become a habbit though. As others said, soon you will convince yourself that you NEED benzo's to trip, and that wouldnt be very good.

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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: dedjam]
    #5795960 - 06/27/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry you got bunk LSD, everyone gets ripped off or scammed at sometime in their life. Just remeber, some people are scumbags. People like that are why I have such a hard time trusting people, though I personally don't piss in the swimming pool that we call society. People that sell fake shit are also the same people that rat other people out. Hope you get some real shit the next time and I also hope whoever beat you gets hit by a train.


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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5798199 - 06/28/06 01:53 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Heh, thanks buddy :-) Yeah, it was a drag, especially since it's so hard to find where I live.


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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: Ashland]
    #10162619 - 04/14/09 06:17 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

i hope you don't live in the town that carries your name, bc tht place is loaded with L, however there was a multiple cook bust recently somewhere in the PS NW and another in TN.  yeah and about opioids, they are the damn'dest because they sort of malke you trip.  a lot of methadone and LSd is just really an amazing mental dream trip.  but the damn things have a \veryt very ugly side, believe me i have suffereds and do not advocaste getting started.  oh and i took a xanaz .5 and a klonopin .5 and 10 g of cyanaceans,,, minimal visual distortions, slight mood lift. less than i'd expect from a single hit of acid, and a weak one at that.


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Re: Valium to calm a trip? [Re: phungi]
    #10162862 - 04/14/09 08:05 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

when fear is knocking on your door,
don't try to run away through the back.

just open the door, and you will see there is nothing to be affraid of.
never, ever... fall for that mindtrap which tries to make you believe you need to be affraid of something.
always always have faith in YOURSELF/GOD/THE UNIVERSE.. whatever you feel you must trust in,
never lose faith in it.

if you don't lose faith in it, you will not have a bad trip.
you may have some rough moments, but nothing you can't handle.

it's when people give in to FEAR and DESPAIR that they become very affraid and desperate.
if you don't allow yourself to feel this way, you won't :wink:




if you do end up having a bad trip, 20mg of valium may help to take the edge of.
crushed valium works faster.

i wouldn't advise to take valium in advance, because if there is any fear in you... it is necessary to confront your fear in a natural way...
so you learn to have faith in YOURSELF/GOD/THIS UNIVERSE.

a rough moment might very well be one of the most important moments in your life..
something you might learn from,
something which might change you into a more courageous person permanently.


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