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kranked
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Honey vs. Karo etc....
#5784422 - 06/23/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just a quick question, I was looking through various liquid culture techniques and most utilize honey (clearer the better I hear) but some use Karo syrup. After a quick google search I have determined that karo is indeed corn syrup? yes? no? Does anyone use anything besides the two alternatives listed above? Preferences? Ideas?
Thanks alot.
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EquilibriuM
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Re: Honey vs. Karo etc.... [Re: kranked]
#5784431 - 06/23/06 05:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like malt/dextrose. The mycelium loves it and grows vigorously. Much denser then using Karo (light corn syrup)
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tallgreen
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Re: Honey vs. Karo etc.... [Re: kranked] 1
#5784448 - 06/23/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have used both. I tried honey first and it worked well. Then Karo and it worked just as well except I prefer it because I can see the mycelium much better, it just looks like water. So I recommend Karo. Karo light with real vanilla. Says it on label.
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kranked
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Re: Honey vs. Karo etc.... [Re: tallgreen]
#5784464 - 06/23/06 05:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Does it have to be light cornsyrup? It won't work with any other kind?
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EquilibriuM
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Re: Honey vs. Karo etc.... [Re: kranked]
#5784476 - 06/23/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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kranked said: Does it have to be light cornsyrup? It won't work with any other kind?
Mycelium will grow in a variety of things... honey, Karo and light malt extract/dextrose are the most common tested, proven methods. If you want to experiment, go ahead.
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tallgreen
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Re: Honey vs. Karo etc.... [Re: tallgreen]
#5784478 - 06/23/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It would probably work, but the point of the light is that it's clear and easy to see into. Makes a big difference if you're concerned about contaminants.
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Re: Honey vs. Karo etc.... [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5784731 - 06/23/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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EquilibriuM said:
I like malt/dextrose. The mycelium loves it and grows vigorously. Much denser then using Karo (light corn syrup)
I get very fast growth and very dense growth using Karo.
You need to remember...that some things in this hobby work better for some people than others.

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EquilibriuM
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Re: Honey vs. Karo etc.... [Re: Roadkill]
#5784858 - 06/23/06 08:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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true. Whatever I say, just add "In my experience" to the beginning... thats how I read others posts... Of course some have much more experience then others, but I have tried both, and much prefer malt/dex
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Re: Honey vs. Karo etc.... [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5784887 - 06/23/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Malt extract is much healthier for your myc. Potato dextrose also works well and is easy to make. Both will work better than sugar water/corn syrup/honey mixes.
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Re: Honey vs. Karo etc.... [Re: fastfred]
#5785256 - 06/23/06 10:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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OK seeing as LC is the only thing that I am good at growing I would like to give my opinion here.I have used both honey and Karo and they both seem to have some disadvantages and some good points.Karo is clear so It is easier to see contams if there should be any but for me anyway it seems to get things going allot slower than honey.It almost seems to me that the sediment in the honey give the myc something to stick to so it grows faster.That is just my theory.Also honey gets lighter when the nutes are used up so its easer to tell when its time to toss the stuff in the fridge.All in all I say try them both and see what you like better.I prefer honey some prefer Karo
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Re: Honey vs. Karo etc.... [Re: kranked]
#5785338 - 06/23/06 10:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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A very light dry malt, 50/50 with dry dextrose has my vote. A tablespoon each to a quart of boiling water. Strain through double coffee filters & pour 1/2 each, into 2 quart jars. Add lids that have a needle & air port. Add a marble or 2, as an agitating device. (if you don't have a stir plate & bars) PC @ 15 PSI 15 minutes. Cool them in the PC.

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kranked
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Re: Honey vs. Karo etc.... [Re: Blutjager]
#5785343 - 06/23/06 10:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I inoculated 6 jars today, 3 honey, and another 3 karo, with 2cc of spore solution each.
B+ x 2 GT x 2 Dukah Beach x 2
All being incubated at 85F. I'll let everyone know how it goes.
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Re: Honey vs. Karo etc.... [Re: kranked]
#21692258 - 05/17/15 08:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not sure why but I've had better luck with organic honey...tough to tell growth at first,,but seems to give me better quantity of visible myc overall And have had faster colonization of brf jars using honey lc..
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Re: Honey vs. Karo etc.... [Re: werdfu16]
#21692558 - 05/17/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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werdfu16 said: Not sure why but I've had better luck with organic honey...tough to tell growth at first,,but seems to give me better quantity of visible myc overall And have had faster colonization of brf jars using honey lc..
^^ ^^ Didn't notice until I saw roadkill. I almost thought he returned haha.
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