Home | Community | Message Board

Cannabis Seeds Zamnesia
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5  [ show all ]
InvisibletrendalM
J♠
Male User Gallery

Registered: 04/17/01
Posts: 20,815
Loc: Ontario, Canada Flag
If this Life was all there Is
    #5784358 - 06/23/06 04:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

For a moment let's pretend that, through some trick of logic or scientific discovery, we were able to prove "beyond a doubt" that this "life" was all that there was - no afterlife or anything beyond this limited existence. For the sake of this thread, imagine this proof is strong enough for you yourself to believe it.

Would you change the way you live your life? If so, what would you change? Would you do anything drastic or extreme?


--------------------
Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSyle
Kenai Sigh
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/16/05
Posts: 6,678
Loc: WA
Last seen: 10 months, 26 days
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: trendal]
    #5784367 - 06/23/06 05:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i wouldn't trouble myself with a job, i would rob the richest person i could find, travel to some remote location in some tropical forest, and live out my life there tripping balls on a lifetime supply of LSD and Mushies that i brought with me.

EDIT: i would also bring along like 100 sex slaves to heed every bidding of mine.

cuz i mean, shit, no afterlife? no judgement? what is there to fear?


--------------------
https://kenaisigh.bandcamp.com/ <- Just completed the 2021 RPM challenge for February - An EP in one month (5 songs or 20 minutes). Check it out!


Edited by Syle (06/23/06 05:01 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezeegos
Shroomagator
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/03/06
Posts: 827
Loc: bat country
Last seen: 3 years, 24 days
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Syle]
    #5784385 - 06/23/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If i was 100% sure of that i would head my life in an all new direction. I would travel the whole world and experience as much as i could. I would also probably do something drastic like devise the best possible plan to pull off a huge heist and do like Syle says


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePanoramix
Getafix
Male

Registered: 11/26/03
Posts: 634
Loc: Everywhere else
Last seen: 11 years, 3 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Syle]
    #5784390 - 06/23/06 05:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I fear no judgement and expect no reward at the end of my life. I would change not one little thing about the way I live, I'm already living the way that seems most natural to me.

Yes, I'd even keep spending time posting on this website, though I suspect I'd be one of the only ones... maybe not...


--------------------
Don't worry, I'm wrong.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledemiu5
humans, lol
 User Gallery

Registered: 08/18/05
Posts: 43,948
Loc: the popcorn stadium Flag
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: trendal]
    #5784392 - 06/23/06 05:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

No. Here is why Trendal. My theory is that people are inherently good. Societal structure and upbringing (which usually are intertwined relating to monatery status, etc) bring about the negative aspects. At this point in my life, I have pretty much ruled out the exsistence of any higher being, which a few months ago, I wouldn't have.

I try to be a good person. I try to be a kind person. I mean so much more than that, but that is the best way I can put it at the moment. I try to live like this life is all there is. I see nothing wrong with this.

I'm sorry I can't go into detail, I just can't place the words.


--------------------
channel your inner Larry David


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezeegos
Shroomagator
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/03/06
Posts: 827
Loc: bat country
Last seen: 3 years, 24 days
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: demiu5]
    #5784407 - 06/23/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

• Before you are born, you don’t exist
• After you die you don’t exist
• Why should living a life prevent you from living another after you die?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOldWoodSpecter
waiting
Male

Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 4,033
Loc: mountains and lakes
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: trendal]
    #5784430 - 06/23/06 05:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

trendal said:
For a moment let's pretend that, through some trick of logic or scientific discovery, we were able to prove "beyond a doubt" that this "life" was all that there was - no afterlife or anything beyond this limited existence. For the sake of this thread, imagine this proof is strong enough for you yourself to believe it.

Would you change the way you live your life? If so, what would you change? Would you do anything drastic or extreme?




I wouldn't do anything drastic, but I'd change the way I think, enjoy myself more, wouldn't marry, and would try a little harder to have more money in my life, and I'd get a gun


--------------------
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledemiu5
humans, lol
 User Gallery

Registered: 08/18/05
Posts: 43,948
Loc: the popcorn stadium Flag
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: zeegos]
    #5784443 - 06/23/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

• Before you are born, you don’t exist
• After you die you don’t exist
• Why should living a life prevent you from living another after you die?





I never said I did or didn't believe in reincarnation, if you want to call it that. Plus, I plan on living after death within the earth and possibly within other animals.


--------------------
channel your inner Larry David


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePanoramix
Getafix
Male

Registered: 11/26/03
Posts: 634
Loc: Everywhere else
Last seen: 11 years, 3 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: demiu5]
    #5784495 - 06/23/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"Before you are born, you don’t exist. After you die you don’t exist.
Why should living a life prevent you from living another after you die?" --Zeegos

"no afterlife or anything beyond this limited existence. For the sake of this thread, imagine this proof is strong enough for you yourself to believe it." --Trendal

Living a life would prevent you from living another after you die for the sake of argument, in this case.


--------------------
Don't worry, I'm wrong.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineFliquid
Back from being gone.
Male User Gallery

Registered: 03/18/02
Posts: 6,953
Loc: omotive
Last seen: 8 years, 6 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: trendal]
    #5784517 - 06/23/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Would you change the way you live your life? If so, what would you change? Would you do anything drastic or extreme?




Life always changes.
I don't control everything, control is an ego fantasy.

So..
My life would change anyway, I would do the same thing I do everyday.
- Analyse - respond - judge -

Fun is fun, when there is fun.
And sadness or whatever will also be there.

But things that I would do..

Learn and teach, care, embrace and hope that dying will not be a painful longterm activity.  :smirk:


--------------------
:dancing: My latest music! :yesnod:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSyle
Kenai Sigh
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/16/05
Posts: 6,678
Loc: WA
Last seen: 10 months, 26 days
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Panoramix]
    #5784519 - 06/23/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

this thread is going to soon turn into a ridiculous debate because the whole topic is pure speculation as will all the answers put forth in this thread.


--------------------
https://kenaisigh.bandcamp.com/ <- Just completed the 2021 RPM challenge for February - An EP in one month (5 songs or 20 minutes). Check it out!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledemiu5
humans, lol
 User Gallery

Registered: 08/18/05
Posts: 43,948
Loc: the popcorn stadium Flag
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Panoramix]
    #5784521 - 06/23/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Living a life would prevent you from living another after you die for the sake of argument, in this case.




Thank you. That's the reason why I mentioned nothing about it in my first post.


--------------------
channel your inner Larry David


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledblaney
Human Being

Registered: 10/03/04
Posts: 7,894
Loc: Here & Now
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: trendal]
    #5784554 - 06/23/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

trendal said:
For a moment let's pretend that, through some trick of logic or scientific discovery, we were able to prove "beyond a doubt" that this "life" was all that there was - no afterlife or anything beyond this limited existence. For the sake of this thread, imagine this proof is strong enough for you yourself to believe it.

Would you change the way you live your life? If so, what would you change? Would you do anything drastic or extreme?




IMO, such a position would be a highly rational one. As such, it seems as though anything deviating from this, such as a belief in an afterlife for each individual, should have the burden of proof to prove otherwise (at least if they feel the need to prove such a belief).

I try to live each moment as though it's the "last battle I'll ever have on earth." So I don't think I'd change much about the way I live. Would you?


--------------------
"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefireworks_godS
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Male

Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 13 days
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: trendal]
    #5784567 - 06/23/06 06:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

trendal said:
Would you change the way you live your life? If so, what would you change? Would you do anything drastic or extreme?




Considering the implications of your proposal, I must assert that, nei, I would not make much of any change in the manner in which I live my life, as I am already centered around my present experience.

As for this specific moment, I just put in one hell of a week at work, and now Tool's 10,000 Days is making a hell of a lot of noise in my living room, and I have consumed two hits of acid and some root beer. :lol:

Perhaps I would inject some sleep somewhere in the gaps that apparently weren't there to accomodate such sleep, but alas, what has transpired has brought this experience into being, and everyone realizes that an honorable captain goes down with his ship. :smirk:

:lol:

:shrug:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


--------------------
:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOldWoodSpecter
waiting
Male

Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 4,033
Loc: mountains and lakes
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: dblaney]
    #5784592 - 06/23/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

dblaney said:
Quote:

trendal said:
For a moment let's pretend that, through some trick of logic or scientific discovery, we were able to prove "beyond a doubt" that this "life" was all that there was - no afterlife or anything beyond this limited existence. For the sake of this thread, imagine this proof is strong enough for you yourself to believe it.

Would you change the way you live your life? If so, what would you change? Would you do anything drastic or extreme?




IMO, such a position would be a highly rational one. As such, it seems as though anything deviating from this, such as a belief in an afterlife for each individual, should have the burden of proof to prove otherwise (at least if they feel the need to prove such a belief).

I try to live each moment as though it's the "last battle I'll ever have on earth." So I don't think I'd change much about the way I live. Would you?




Exept that not every myth about afterlife is based on the idea of ghosts and spirits.

Some religions say that when a man dies he is dead, but will one day be recreated

that is a little harder to prove, because, the technical part is pretty much clear (we already know about genes, and how every life can be replicated), and what remains to be proved is the creator and his intent


--------------------
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledblaney
Human Being

Registered: 10/03/04
Posts: 7,894
Loc: Here & Now
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5784611 - 06/23/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Some religions say that when a man dies he is dead, but will one day be recreated

:shocked: I don't believe in zombie movies!!!


--------------------
"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOldWoodSpecter
waiting
Male

Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 4,033
Loc: mountains and lakes
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: dblaney]
    #5784619 - 06/23/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

dblaney said:
Some religions say that when a man dies he is dead, but will one day be recreated

:shocked: I don't believe in zombie movies!!!




Nobody in hollywood ever suggested you should


--------------------
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledblaney
Human Being

Registered: 10/03/04
Posts: 7,894
Loc: Here & Now
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5784634 - 06/23/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

To clarify, are you of the opinion that a 'myth' is something to be taken metaphorically, literally as fiction, or literally as fact?


--------------------
"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOldWoodSpecter
waiting
Male

Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 4,033
Loc: mountains and lakes
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: dblaney]
    #5784666 - 06/23/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

dblaney said:
To clarify, are you of the opinion that a 'myth' is something to be taken metaphorically, literally as fiction, or literally as fact?




depends on the myth, but really I can't tell anyone how they are supose to take the myths, or wheather to take them seriously at all, it's all determined by your genes and the influence in your life


--------------------
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleniteowl
GrandPaw
Male User Gallery

Registered: 07/01/03
Posts: 16,291
Loc: Flag
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: trendal]
    #5784885 - 06/23/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

trendal said:
Would you change the way you live your life? If so, what would you change? Would you do anything drastic or extreme?





No, not really.

I learned long ago, to not worry about what happens to me when I die, like many Christians do.

All that matters is "now".

I live my life for me.
Sounds greedy, but it isn't.

"Why don't you just start robbing and killing people and "live the good life?"

Because........
I like to have friends, people to hang out with.
In order for me to do that, I have to be a reasonably "nice guy".

Sad, angry greedy people, tend to live sad, angry greedy lives......
Happy, joyful generous people, tend to live happy, joyful and generous lives....

Life is akin to a mirror.

It reflects back, what you put in it.

:levitate:


--------------------
Live for the moment you are in now
Don't be bogged down by your past
Don't be afraid of what lies in your future


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: trendal]
    #5786124 - 06/24/06 08:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

trendal said:
For a moment let's pretend that, through some trick of logic or scientific discovery, we were able to prove "beyond a doubt" that this "life" was all that there was - no afterlife or anything beyond this limited existence. For the sake of this thread, imagine this proof is strong enough for you yourself to believe it.

Would you change the way you live your life? If so, what would you change? Would you do anything drastic or extreme?




I would continue doing exactly what I have been doing as I am convinced that this life is all there is for me.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTriplexiosis
Lachrymologist
Male

Registered: 12/17/04
Posts: 199
Loc: Europe
Last seen: 15 years, 4 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Icelander]
    #5786140 - 06/24/06 09:11 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'd do everything the same all over again.


--------------------


"If there were no desire to heal, the damaged and broken met along this tedious path I've choosen here, I certainly would have walked away by now" Tool - Patient

"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye." Antoine de Saint-Exupery


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleLunarEclipse
Enlil's Official Story
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/31/04
Posts: 21,407
Loc: Building 7
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: trendal]
    #5786153 - 06/24/06 09:23 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

through some trick of logic or scientific discovery, we were able to prove "beyond a doubt" that this "life" was all that there was - no afterlife or anything beyond this limited existence

Why would it be a "trick of logic" to believe there is no afterlife?

The majority of "religious" people have had their logic tricked into believing that an afterlife is likely.

With my logical mind and having personally observed absolutely no evidence of an afterlife of any kind (sure, you need to be dead, right?), why should I believe in heaven and hell?  I don't.

Maybe later as I burn in hell I will say "Damn!  I should have listened to all of those Christians!"    :mad2:





--------------------
Anxiety is what you make it.


Edited by LunarEclipse (06/24/06 09:24 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibletrendalM
J♠
Male User Gallery

Registered: 04/17/01
Posts: 20,815
Loc: Ontario, Canada Flag
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5786169 - 06/24/06 09:37 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That phrase was directed towards those who do believe in an afterlife. Obviously those of us who don't believe in one won't have to "pretend" we don't :wink:


For everyone who said they wouldn't change anything: is this because you already live your life as if there isn't an afterlife? Or do you have some other reason for living as you do now?


--------------------
Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTriplexiosis
Lachrymologist
Male

Registered: 12/17/04
Posts: 199
Loc: Europe
Last seen: 15 years, 4 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: trendal]
    #5786177 - 06/24/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

For everyone who said they wouldn't change anything: is this because you already live your life as if there isn't an afterlife? Or do you have some other reason for living as you do now?



I do think there is an after-something, what it is I have no idea, and it doesn't have much impact on my courses of action here and now.
I'm enjoying this process of growth and wouldn't want it in any other way.


--------------------


"If there were no desire to heal, the damaged and broken met along this tedious path I've choosen here, I certainly would have walked away by now" Tool - Patient

"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye." Antoine de Saint-Exupery


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOldWoodSpecter
waiting
Male

Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 4,033
Loc: mountains and lakes
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5786181 - 06/24/06 09:55 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

With my logical mind and having personally observed absolutely no evidence of an afterlife of any kind (sure, you need to be dead, right?), why should I believe in heaven and hell? I don't.





The logical mind is only as good as the amount of information that is being imput into it.
And how much information about the does a human mind have access to these days? Very little, therefore our logic at this point is really a weak tool.


--------------------
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOldWoodSpecter
waiting
Male

Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 4,033
Loc: mountains and lakes
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Triplexiosis]
    #5786183 - 06/24/06 09:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Triplexiosis said:
Quote:

For everyone who said they wouldn't change anything: is this because you already live your life as if there isn't an afterlife? Or do you have some other reason for living as you do now?



I do think there is an after-something, what it is I have no idea, and it doesn't have much impact on my courses of action here and now.
I'm enjoying this process of growth and wouldn't want it in any other way.




Spiritual growth is a dead end without eternal life, because no matter how much you grow you end up food for worms.
and in 200 years nobody even knows you existed and how much you've grown.


--------------------
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTriplexiosis
Lachrymologist
Male

Registered: 12/17/04
Posts: 199
Loc: Europe
Last seen: 15 years, 4 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5786188 - 06/24/06 10:01 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Spiritual growth is a dead end without eternal life, because no matter how much you grow you end up food for worms.
and in 200 years nobody even knows you existed and how much you've grown.




So when I'm dead if I end up as just food for the worms I won't be aware of it. It won't matter for there will be no one who would it matter to.
I can live with that.


--------------------


"If there were no desire to heal, the damaged and broken met along this tedious path I've choosen here, I certainly would have walked away by now" Tool - Patient

"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye." Antoine de Saint-Exupery


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOldWoodSpecter
waiting
Male

Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 4,033
Loc: mountains and lakes
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Triplexiosis]
    #5786195 - 06/24/06 10:05 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Triplexiosis said:
Quote:

Spiritual growth is a dead end without eternal life, because no matter how much you grow you end up food for worms.
and in 200 years nobody even knows you existed and how much you've grown.




So when I'm dead if I end up as just food for the worms I won't be aware of it. It won't matter for there will be no one who would it matter to.
I can live with that.




And if you are food for worms, then what is spiritual growth anyway?

One can grow from a rapist and murdered into a loving man, and one can grow from a loving man into a rapist and a murderer, either way you have grown into something else.

So are you saying all we need to do in life is constantly change into something else?


--------------------
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTriplexiosis
Lachrymologist
Male

Registered: 12/17/04
Posts: 199
Loc: Europe
Last seen: 15 years, 4 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5786206 - 06/24/06 10:10 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

So are you saying all we need to do in life is constantly change into something else?



not at all, I was simply refering to myself alone, and my subjective expirience of reality.
Growing into a loving man is a pleasant thing to feel. Monkey likes pleasant expiriences. Monkey doesn't like pain physical or from guilty conscience, though it can get used to it. Yet it keeps inflicting pain on other "monkeys".
What can I say? I like being a happy monkey. :wink:


--------------------


"If there were no desire to heal, the damaged and broken met along this tedious path I've choosen here, I certainly would have walked away by now" Tool - Patient

"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye." Antoine de Saint-Exupery


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOldWoodSpecter
waiting
Male

Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 4,033
Loc: mountains and lakes
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Triplexiosis]
    #5786293 - 06/24/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Triplexiosis said:
Quote:

So are you saying all we need to do in life is constantly change into something else?



not at all, I was simply refering to myself alone, and my subjective expirience of reality.
Growing into a loving man is a pleasant thing to feel. Monkey likes pleasant expiriences. Monkey doesn't like pain physical or from guilty conscience, though it can get used to it. Yet it keeps inflicting pain on other "monkeys".
What can I say? I like being a happy monkey. :wink:




that makes sense


--------------------
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleVeritas
 User Gallery
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: trendal]
    #5786585 - 06/24/06 01:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I already live as though this life is all there is.  My best guess is that the individual consciousness I know as "me" will cease when my body dies.  My life force may be recycled in some way, but the memories and identity I have accumulated during my lifetime will not move on.

My aim is to enjoy my life to the fullest, connect as deeply as my loved ones will allow, and gracefully and gratefully let it all go when it is over.  :sun:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Veritas]
    #5786614 - 06/24/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Great post as usual Veritas.

IMO you are the most awake person I have ever come across on this earth. :sun: :mushroom2:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOldWoodSpecter
waiting
Male

Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 4,033
Loc: mountains and lakes
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Icelander]
    #5786619 - 06/24/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hey Icelander, is that Philip Greenspun's photo in your signiture?


--------------------
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5786630 - 06/24/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

yes


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOldWoodSpecter
waiting
Male

Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 4,033
Loc: mountains and lakes
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Icelander]
    #5786636 - 06/24/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
yes




you a member of photo.net?


--------------------
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5786639 - 06/24/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Came up in a Yahoo image search for sheep.

It's amazing how he got those people to all stare at him like that. :grin:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Edited by Icelander (06/24/06 01:49 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOldWoodSpecter
waiting
Male

Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 4,033
Loc: mountains and lakes
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Icelander]
    #5786644 - 06/24/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Came up in a Yahoo image search for sheep.




oh, I figured


--------------------
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMushmanTheManic
Stranger

Registered: 04/21/05
Posts: 4,587
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: trendal]
    #5786684 - 06/24/06 02:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'm an unique organism on a giant rock that orbits around a colossal ball of fire. This life seems interesting enough for me; I try not to worry about any others.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSchwammel
Auk

Registered: 12/10/05
Posts: 845
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5786686 - 06/24/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"""I already live as though this life is all there is. My best guess is that the individual consciousness I know as "me" will cease when my body dies. My life force may be recycled in some way, but the memories and identity I have accumulated during my lifetime will not move on.

My aim is to enjoy my life to the fullest, connect as deeply as my loved ones will allow, and gracefully and gratefully let it all go when it is over. """

love your response...short and sweet but I don't agree with it,,,
especially the part abt moving on. you beleive things just vanish?

here today gone tomorrow?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOldWoodSpecter
waiting
Male

Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 4,033
Loc: mountains and lakes
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Schwammel]
    #5786875 - 06/24/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Schwammel said:
love your response...short and sweet but I don't agree with it,,,
especially the part abt moving on. you beleive things just vanish?

here today gone tomorrow?




A "thing" is a combination of elements, and as elements get rearanged all the time in the universe "things" dissapear


--------------------
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleVeritas
 User Gallery
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Schwammel]
    #5786902 - 06/24/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I believe that the memories we store in our brain do not survive the death of the storage facility. My identity is invented and reinvented based upon my memory, therefore that identity will die with my body.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTriplexiosis
Lachrymologist
Male

Registered: 12/17/04
Posts: 199
Loc: Europe
Last seen: 15 years, 4 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Veritas]
    #5786918 - 06/24/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I overheard (not sure if it's true or not, have no proof and don't have any links sorry) about some experiment with lab rats, where scientists taught rats how to go through a maze, then they would remove parts of their brains that supossedly contained these memories, the rats would still do the very same route, and the conclusion was something along the lines of "memories are not fixed on the brain alone"

My belief is that memories like everything else remain a part of existance/everything/oneness... in some form. Only the subjective self is no more after death, then we move to another (new) self all over again.


--------------------


"If there were no desire to heal, the damaged and broken met along this tedious path I've choosen here, I certainly would have walked away by now" Tool - Patient

"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye." Antoine de Saint-Exupery


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinecapliberty
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/23/06
Posts: 1,949
Last seen: 14 years, 5 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Triplexiosis]
    #5786933 - 06/24/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If your memory is totally erased and you identity is totally gone, you will seize to exist for all pratical purposes, and if you do exist you will not know it, so it matters not, for you don't have any memories or an identity to tie into your new existence, so I guess you literal belief in this thread


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOldWoodSpecter
waiting
Male

Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 4,033
Loc: mountains and lakes
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Triplexiosis]
    #5786934 - 06/24/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Triplexiosis said:
I overheard (not sure if it's true or not, have no proof and don't have any links sorry) about some experiment with lab rats, where scientists taught rats how to go through a maze, then they would remove parts of their brains that supossedly contained these memories, the rats would still do the very same route, and the conclusion was something along the lines of "memories are not fixed on the brain alone"

My belief is that memories like everything else remain a part of existance/everything/oneness... in some form. Only the subjective self is no more after death, then we move to another (new) self all over again.




No that's not what they concluded, and it goes for humans too.
It's the idea of "holographic brain".
For example, a friend of mine got him by a piece of granade in the head, and he lost ability to talk and lost his memories and really he was all screwed up, but today he can talk, he is normal, his memories are back, and besides having this thing about repeating the word "well" a thousand times in conversations he is perfectly normal.

Some studies show that the information in the brain is stored in such a way that when you damage one system, if the damage is not total, another part of the brain can take its job, and even restore memories that were "stored" in the damaged part.

The friend still misses a part of his brain, but all his finctions were restored

The word holographic comes from the fact that holographic images contain the entire image information in every little part of the photograph, sort of like a fractal.
When you cut a holograph in two or four or ten pieces, you always get the same image from every piece


--------------------
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibletrendalM
J♠
Male User Gallery

Registered: 04/17/01
Posts: 20,815
Loc: Ontario, Canada Flag
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Triplexiosis]
    #5786935 - 06/24/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

and the conclusion was something along the lines of "memories are not fixed on the brain alone"

Close, but not quite.

The conclusion was that memories are not stored in any specific section of the brain. They are stored in the brain, but they are stored in a hologram-like fasion (if you cut a hologram in half, you don't get two halves of the picture...you get two FULL copies of the hologram, each 1/2 the original size).

So cutting specific portions of brain tissue out may not remove a specific memory, it will just dull it down a little.


--------------------
Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleVeritas
 User Gallery
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Triplexiosis]
    #5786938 - 06/24/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Or the rats' task-related memories are stored in unidentified/multiple locations in their brains. As long as they still had a functioning brain, however it has been pruned, they still have a storage facility for memories.  :grin:

It seems unlikely that memories have some existence outside of our brain.  Head injuries can cause a complete loss of self-identification (amnesia), even when the person retains the ability to perform tasks.  This points to the self as an erasable memory.  How is this different from your belief that the subjective self dies along with the body?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTriplexiosis
Lachrymologist
Male

Registered: 12/17/04
Posts: 199
Loc: Europe
Last seen: 15 years, 4 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Veritas]
    #5786961 - 06/24/06 04:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

@Trendal and OWS, thanx for pointing that out :thumbup:

Quote:

Or the rats' task-related memories are stored in unidentified/multiple locations in their brains. As long as they still had a functioning brain, however it has been pruned, they still have a storage facility for memories.



most likely :grin:

Anyway, I believe memories are stored outside not within. Within we have a "whatever" that gives us acess to these memories. In amnesia this "whatever" thing might just not be functioning properlly.
However this is just a belief, nothing more, nothing less, so take it as such.


--------------------


"If there were no desire to heal, the damaged and broken met along this tedious path I've choosen here, I certainly would have walked away by now" Tool - Patient

"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye." Antoine de Saint-Exupery


Edited by Triplexiosis (06/24/06 04:42 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleVeritas
 User Gallery
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Triplexiosis]
    #5786966 - 06/24/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Are you referring to a collective consciousness? I'm not asking you for proof of your opinion, just curious as to what you mean.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTriplexiosis
Lachrymologist
Male

Registered: 12/17/04
Posts: 199
Loc: Europe
Last seen: 15 years, 4 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Veritas]
    #5786970 - 06/24/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yup, that would be it.


--------------------


"If there were no desire to heal, the damaged and broken met along this tedious path I've choosen here, I certainly would have walked away by now" Tool - Patient

"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye." Antoine de Saint-Exupery


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleVeritas
 User Gallery
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Triplexiosis]
    #5786974 - 06/24/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

So why does that resonate with you more than the idea of a physical, individual memory center?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinecapliberty
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/23/06
Posts: 1,949
Last seen: 14 years, 5 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Veritas]
    #5786979 - 06/24/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

memorys are more than in your brain, think about DeJa Vu


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTriplexiosis
Lachrymologist
Male

Registered: 12/17/04
Posts: 199
Loc: Europe
Last seen: 15 years, 4 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Veritas]
    #5786988 - 06/24/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It would explain telepathy more accurately imho (not claiming to be telepathic mind you). The simple event when two people think of the same thing for no apparent reason, would imo be connecting to the same external ideas simultaneously.
Plus I believe we are all one, this one you could refer to as God, Tao, Nature, whatever you want to call it. In this "one" all thoughts formed remain (like an endless library) and can be acessed at any time if we knew how.

If that makes any sense what-so-ever.


--------------------


"If there were no desire to heal, the damaged and broken met along this tedious path I've choosen here, I certainly would have walked away by now" Tool - Patient

"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye." Antoine de Saint-Exupery


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefireworks_godS
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Male

Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 13 days
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: capliberty]
    #5786989 - 06/24/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

So, what, deja vu means that some mystical cloud form stores your memory, then?

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


--------------------
:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefireworks_godS
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Male

Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 13 days
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Triplexiosis]
    #5786996 - 06/24/06 04:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Triplexiosis said:
It would explain telepathy more accurately imho (not claiming to be telepathic mind you). The simple event when two people think of the same  thing for no apparent reason, would imo be connecting to the same external ideas simultaneously.




How can you discern which explanation is more "accurate" for something that has no substantiation? Whichever explanation sounds better to you?

"For no apparent reason" does not mean that one uses one's imagination to make up a reason. :wink:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


--------------------
:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleVeritas
 User Gallery
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: capliberty]
    #5787003 - 06/24/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

A clinical correlation has been found between the experience of déjà vu and disorders such as schizophrenia and anxiety, and the likelihood of the experience increases considerably with subjects having these conditions.

However, the strongest pathological association of déjà vu is with temporal lobe epilepsy. This correlation has led some researchers to speculate that the experience of déjà vu is possibly a neurological anomaly related to improper electrical discharge in the brain.

As most people suffer a mild (i.e. non-pathological) epileptic episode regularly (e.g. the sudden "jolt", a hypnagogic jerk, that frequently occurs just prior to falling asleep), it is conjectured that a similar (mild) neurological aberration occurs in the experience of déjà vu, resulting in an erroneous sensation of memory.




Deja vu is not a strong argument for memory being centered outside of our brain, nor for the idea of a collective consciousness.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTriplexiosis
Lachrymologist
Male

Registered: 12/17/04
Posts: 199
Loc: Europe
Last seen: 15 years, 4 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Triplexiosis]
    #5787007 - 06/24/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

How can you discern which explanation is more "accurate" for something that has no substantiation? Whichever explanation sounds better to you?



aren't beliefs exactly "what sounds better to you"? I'm not excluding posibilities, just entertaining some ideas more than others.

Quote:

"For no apparent reason" does not mean that one uses one's imagination to make up a reason.



I agree, yet however imagination creates ideas, which are then put under tests to prove/disprove their validity. A computer was first imagined before created.


--------------------


"If there were no desire to heal, the damaged and broken met along this tedious path I've choosen here, I certainly would have walked away by now" Tool - Patient

"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye." Antoine de Saint-Exupery


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOldWoodSpecter
waiting
Male

Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 4,033
Loc: mountains and lakes
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: trendal]
    #5787046 - 06/24/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

trendal said:
and the conclusion was something along the lines of "memories are not fixed on the brain alone"

Close, but not quite.

The conclusion was that memories are not stored in any specific section of the brain. They are stored in the brain, but they are stored in a hologram-like fasion (if you cut a hologram in half, you don't get two halves of the picture...you get two FULL copies of the hologram, each 1/2 the original size).

So cutting specific portions of brain tissue out may not remove a specific memory, it will just dull it down a little.




yea that's what I said too


--------------------
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefireworks_godS
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Male

Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 13 days
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Triplexiosis]
    #5787052 - 06/24/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Triplexiosis said:
aren't beliefs exactly "what sounds better to you"? I'm not excluding posibilities, just entertaining some ideas more than others.




Beliefs are acceptance of a notion as being true, that the idea represents reality. You stated that such a notion explains the mechanics of a certain phenomenon "more accurately" than other explanations.

The difference between "enertaining an idea" and believing it to be true, and a more accurate reasoning for the nature of a specific phenomenon is quite distinct.

Now, how exactly is collective consciousness more plausible, more accurate of an explanation for "telepathy" than other explanations? I think that because the phenomenon in question is telepathy, which certainly isn't validated in any consensual matter, and not, say, the operation of a locomotive, it is wide open for someone to imagine something that they wish were true and declare "this is a more accurate belief". :what:

Quote:


I agree, yet however imagination creates ideas, which are then put under tests to prove/disprove their validity. A computer was first imagined before created.




So, then, what tests have been run to offer any inkling of basis to propose that your conviction of reality (unless you truly did not mean to use the word belief?) is more accurate than others?

Also, a computer didn't simply spring forth from pure imagination. A computer was developed over time from previous understandings and observations of reality. Someone didn't just express a similar thought that another had within the same time frame, in the same environment, with similar perspectives, and go "oh, it must be collective consciousness". :wink:

Rather, that is exactly what happened, whereas the invention of a computer was more along the lines of utilizing one's previous, confirmed understanding of reality and looking further for new ways to apply that understanding, which, in turn, lead to the formation and discovery of new understanding. Imagination may motivate but it does not materialize. :grin:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


--------------------
:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOldWoodSpecter
waiting
Male

Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 4,033
Loc: mountains and lakes
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5787065 - 06/24/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

By the way, couldn't deja vu be simply people having ideas that they experienced something before even if they haven't.
I mean sometimes the brain does have glitches.

Where would we end up if we took every little strange experience as a proof of something?
Psychosis, drug hallucinations, false memories...

What I find it very funny when someone says: I know -insert a mythical creature or whatever- exist, I've seen them during the influence of -insert a highly hallucinogenic drug of choice-

My friend saw Simpsons family walking on railroad tracks once.
There is little doubt that those were not real Simpsons. Other than the fact that they are 2D catroon characters, they probably never heard of Croatia, so it's unlikely that they would be taking a walk there.


--------------------
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSchwammel
Auk

Registered: 12/10/05
Posts: 845
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Veritas]
    #5787079 - 06/24/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

is taht soo?

who told you?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinecapliberty
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/23/06
Posts: 1,949
Last seen: 14 years, 5 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Triplexiosis]
    #5787085 - 06/24/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That definition is to disproof Deja Vu because its classified as a "mystic experience" or to explain why some crazy person has some reoccurring memory disorder,

Deja Vu means none of those,

Quite in fact Deja Vu is a very valid argument for the realness of cosmic consciousness

I'd be skeptical too if I didn't have a first hand experience with Deja Vu, besides Deja Vu is nothing, compared to what can really happen,

Deja Vu really means having a recollection from a past dream or memory about a current experience, or future experience, such as being in a certain spot, putting in an element of fate within your time line, besides it makes sense, when you view this plane of existence beyond three dimensions, It is not a memory jolt to trick your brain, because I can recollect the time when I had this past memory, most Deja Vu experiences are weak and hardly noticeable, and some reluctance and doubt are attributed to the experience

But sometimes they can very vivid in detail and very blatant, making no doubt it was a Deja Vu experience

One time on shrooms I'd had some real strong Deja Vu experience, it was a strange night, for some reason you could see the air, the cosmic consciousness or cosmic energy was thick, its like kaos in its nature and its movement, and something more profound happened that night than the Deja Vu experiences, that could highlight the nature of dreams,

but anyways these are my experiences, who am I to tell you, so take it for what its worth


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTriplexiosis
Lachrymologist
Male

Registered: 12/17/04
Posts: 199
Loc: Europe
Last seen: 15 years, 4 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: capliberty]
    #5787191 - 06/24/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Beliefs are acceptance of a notion as being true, that the idea represents reality. You stated that such a notion explains the mechanics of a certain phenomenon "more accurately" than other explanations.



I also stated "imho", and my opinion can be very wrong.

"Belief is usually defined as a conviction to the truth of a proposition without its verification, therefore it is a subjective mental interpretation of the perception results, own contemplation/reasoning or communication."
So yes, probablly "belief" was a bad use of words, as I am not 100% convinced this is the truth. But I do lean towards the idea of collective consciousness more than others for now... still I'm not what you would call a logical person, so what do i know :wink:

Quote:

Imagination may motivate but it does not materialize.



Tnx for placing into words what I could not.


--------------------


"If there were no desire to heal, the damaged and broken met along this tedious path I've choosen here, I certainly would have walked away by now" Tool - Patient

"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye." Antoine de Saint-Exupery


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDoctorJ
Male

Registered: 06/30/03
Posts: 8,846
Loc: space
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: trendal]
    #5787281 - 06/24/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I wouldn't necessarily change my life, more like my life would 'be changed'. 

no afterlife means no spiritual powers.  I'd say that would change my life drastically.  I'd probably be serving several back to back life sentences now :wink:

as far as behaviorially, I would probably focus on conquest to the point of never having to feel pain or sadness.  In other words, I would be a totally ruthless hedonist who would probably destroy everything around me in persuit of the fulfillment of my own pleasure.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePanoramix
Getafix
Male

Registered: 11/26/03
Posts: 634
Loc: Everywhere else
Last seen: 11 years, 3 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: trendal]
    #5787318 - 06/24/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"For everyone who said they wouldn't change anything: is this because you already live your life as if there isn't an afterlife? Or do you have some other reason for living as you do now?"

I don't expect an afterlife, certainly not a fluffy-clouds, pearly-gates type afterlife, but that's mostly because I don't want to jinx it.  I think that death is in no way the end of the line. 

I wouldn't change my life because I'm already living in the way I deign most suitable for me, mostly accurately reflective of my wants, needs and personal beliefs.

Ooo, I take that back, I would not have just taken a bite of that block of cheese, as I suspect now that it may indeed be off. :puke:


--------------------
Don't worry, I'm wrong.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleVeritas
 User Gallery
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Schwammel]
    #5787387 - 06/24/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

No one told me.  I examined the verifiable facts for myself, recognized that many aspects were untestable, and came up with my best guess as to the way our identity is constructed and maintained.

BTW, identity does not mean soul/spirit, but personality.  Who do you think you are?  :wink:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleLunarEclipse
Enlil's Official Story
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/31/04
Posts: 21,407
Loc: Building 7
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5787483 - 06/24/06 08:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The logical mind is only as good as the amount of information that is being imput into it.
And how much information about the does a human mind have access to these days? Very little, therefore our logic at this point is really a weak tool.


I would say that with the Internet and depending on the quality of our Google searches, we have a TON of information to access these days. Far more than ever. That information filtered through quality logic is a powerful tool indeed.


--------------------
Anxiety is what you make it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePanoramix
Getafix
Male

Registered: 11/26/03
Posts: 634
Loc: Everywhere else
Last seen: 11 years, 3 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5787560 - 06/24/06 08:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I like all the capitalization of déja-vu going on here.  Déja-vu is just french that literal translates to 'already seen'.  It refers simply to experiences and situations that seem familiar as they are being engaged in, the sensation of something happening that has already happened.

"I would say that with the Internet and depending on the quality of our Google searches, we have a TON of information to access these days. Far more than ever. That information filtered through quality logic is a powerful tool indeed."

A ton of information may be at our disposal, but sources can still be shady.  And we still have to recieve this information through our limited senses and interpret it with our limited minds.  But yeah, lots more facts are available than at any other time in human history.  Oddly, stupidity persists. :smirk:


--------------------
Don't worry, I'm wrong.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOldWoodSpecter
waiting
Male

Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 4,033
Loc: mountains and lakes
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5788654 - 06/25/06 05:14 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

LunarEclipse said:
The logical mind is only as good as the amount of information that is being imput into it.
And how much information about the does a human mind have access to these days? Very little, therefore our logic at this point is really a weak tool.


I would say that with the Internet and depending on the quality of our Google searches, we have a TON of information to access these days. Far more than ever. That information filtered through quality logic is a powerful tool indeed.




yes, but humanity has little information. You can't find anything on google that hasn't been discovered by top scientists

We are still these small creatures stuck on this planet, that live for only about 70-80 years

Now consider the size of the universe and consider how much of it is in our control. Very little. We can't even control our own bodies.

So what he have discovered about the universe is so little, a tiny fraction of what there is to know.

Ultimate knowledge of the universe (knowing everything if that is possible) would result in us being masters of the universe, being imortal, and controling galaxies, stars, traveling anywhere in a second etc.

Can you google on how to make yourself live 500 years?
Can you google on how to make a machine to travel to alpha centaury faster than the speed of light?
nope, because we lack that information


--------------------
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleLunarEclipse
Enlil's Official Story
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/31/04
Posts: 21,407
Loc: Building 7
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5788813 - 06/25/06 08:08 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Google has all the answers to the universe and would love to let you know for a price but the NSA and in the interest of National Security won't let them tell you.


--------------------
Anxiety is what you make it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleVeritas
 User Gallery
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5788816 - 06/25/06 08:11 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

All hail Google, the wise and mighty.  May the shackles of confinement be removed from thine holy codes.  :bow:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleLunarEclipse
Enlil's Official Story
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/31/04
Posts: 21,407
Loc: Building 7
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Panoramix]
    #5788843 - 06/25/06 08:29 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

sources can still be shady


To me, the most dangerous are the "news stories" written by the govt. or some special interest group passed off as real news. That's propaganda and it's even worse because people think it's from an unbiased source and believe it. It happens more and more as time goes on.

It's like this thread. The basic premise is that there is an afterlife because we were told by the "unbiased" source, the church, every Sunday that there IS a Heaven and Hell. Sooner or later, most of us believed it. And kept paying our tithes to build new Churches where we could hear more about this wonderful heaven.

"The bigger the lie, the more it will be believed." -Joseph Goebbels

Sure he was a Nazi, but he was definitely on to something. Heaven is one of The Big Lies. Still, the Catholic Church et. al. must be telling it well as they own more land than anyone else in the world.





--------------------
Anxiety is what you make it.


Edited by LunarEclipse (06/25/06 08:30 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefireworks_godS
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Male

Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 13 days
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5788849 - 06/25/06 08:30 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Unfortunately, the Big Lie Theory continues to be proven true. :frown:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


--------------------
:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleLunarEclipse
Enlil's Official Story
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/31/04
Posts: 21,407
Loc: Building 7
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Veritas]
    #5788858 - 06/25/06 08:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Because of their mighty powers, the people that work there don't even use the G word. They say they work for O2. Code name Oxygen.

You are on a need to know basis but trust me it will be big.

Edit: OK here it is - An ambitious global network proposal that was supposed to link 78 countries with more than 100,000 miles of optical fiber (mostly under the sea) at a minimum transmission speed of 1.2 Gbps. Originally estimated to cost more than $10 billion for the trans-Atlantic segment, the project ran out of funding in 2000 and was never resurrected.

Google has resurrected it in a Big Way.




--------------------
Anxiety is what you make it.


Edited by LunarEclipse (06/25/06 08:48 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOldWoodSpecter
waiting
Male

Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 4,033
Loc: mountains and lakes
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5788860 - 06/25/06 08:36 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

LunarEclipse said:
Google has all the answers to the universe and would love to let you know for a price but the NSA and in the interest of National Security won't let them tell you.




Well I don't see anyone in NSA older than 120


--------------------
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleLunarEclipse
Enlil's Official Story
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/31/04
Posts: 21,407
Loc: Building 7
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5788868 - 06/25/06 08:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

See how you called it a Big Lie Theory just like the Conspiracy Theory.

Is it still a Theory if it's happening every freaking day to those that pay even a little attention?  Granted, people are stupid but can they really be that stupid?  Don't answer that... :smirk:


--------------------
Anxiety is what you make it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleLunarEclipse
Enlil's Official Story
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/31/04
Posts: 21,407
Loc: Building 7
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5788870 - 06/25/06 08:41 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Of course not, once they have the immortality procedure, they remain the same appearance forever.


--------------------
Anxiety is what you make it.


Edited by LunarEclipse (06/25/06 08:43 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleVeritas
 User Gallery
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5788970 - 06/25/06 09:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

But the portraits hidden in their attics continue to age. :lol:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleLunarEclipse
Enlil's Official Story
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/31/04
Posts: 21,407
Loc: Building 7
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Veritas]
    #5789331 - 06/25/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Karn Evil Nine
Third Impression

Man alone; born of stone;
Will stamp the dust of time
His hands strike the flame of his soul;
Ties a rope to a tree and hangs the Universe
Until the wind of laughter blows cold.
Fear that rattles in men's ears
And rears it's hideous head
Dread .... Death .... in the wind ....

Man of steel pray and kneel
With fever's blazing torch
Thrust into the face of the night;
Draws a blade of compassion
Kissed by countless Kings
Whose jewelled trumpet words blind his sight.

Walls that no man thought would fall
The altars of the just
Crushed .... Dust .... in the wind ....

No man yields who flies in my ship
DANGER!
Let the bridge computer speak
STRANGER!
LOAD YOUR PROGRAM. I AM YOURSELF.

No computer stands in my way
Only blood can cancel my pain
Guardians of a new clear dawn
Let the maps of war be drawn.


Rejoice! Glory is ours!
Our young men have not died in vain,
Their graves need no flowers
The tapes have recorded their names.

I am all there is
NEGATIVE! PRIMITIVE! LIMITED! I LET YOU LIVE!
But I gave you life
WHAT ELSE COULD YOU DO?
To do what was right
I'M PERFECT! ARE YOU?

The future is in the hands of the machines...we just don't know it yet. See Terminator 3 for more details...


--------------------
Anxiety is what you make it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOldWoodSpecter
waiting
Male

Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 4,033
Loc: mountains and lakes
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5789599 - 06/25/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I like ELP!


--------------------
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleLunarEclipse
Enlil's Official Story
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/31/04
Posts: 21,407
Loc: Building 7
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5789777 - 06/25/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

ELP Rules

Knife Edge

Just a step cried the sad man
Take a look down at the madman
Theatre kings on silver wings
Fly beyond reason
From the flight of the seagull
Come the spread claws of the eagle
Only fear breaks the silence
As we all kneel pray for guidance

Tread the road cross the abyss
Take a look down at the madness
On the streets of the city
Only spectres still have pity
Patient queues for the gallows
Sing the praises of the hallowed
Our machines feed the furnace
If they take us they will burn us

Will you still know who you are
When you come to who you are

When the flames have their season
Will you hold to your reason
Loaded down with your talents
Can you still keep your balance
Can you live on a knife-edge


--------------------
Anxiety is what you make it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTheGus
The Walrus

Registered: 09/07/05
Posts: 387
Last seen: 15 years, 11 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5789821 - 06/25/06 04:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

but its not...


--------------------
"It is easier to teach a computer to play chess than to build a mudpie."Sherry Turkle Life on the Screen: Identity in the Age of the Internet
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts"-Einstein
:mrt: I pity the fool who break traffic laws with $870,000 of drugs in the car.      -mo0nlite_sonata
Psythos


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDoctorJ
Male

Registered: 06/30/03
Posts: 8,846
Loc: space
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5789834 - 06/25/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"I'm not too worried about it."

:lol:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOldWoodSpecter
waiting
Male

Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 4,033
Loc: mountains and lakes
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5790006 - 06/25/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

LunarEclipse said:
ELP Rules

Knife Edge

Just a step cried the sad man
Take a look down at the madman
Theatre kings on silver wings
Fly beyond reason
From the flight of the seagull
Come the spread claws of the eagle
Only fear breaks the silence
As we all kneel pray for guidance

Tread the road cross the abyss
Take a look down at the madness
On the streets of the city
Only spectres still have pity
Patient queues for the gallows
Sing the praises of the hallowed
Our machines feed the furnace
If they take us they will burn us

Will you still know who you are
When you come to who you are

When the flames have their season
Will you hold to your reason
Loaded down with your talents
Can you still keep your balance
Can you live on a knife-edge




I love the edgy distorted hammond in Knife Edge


--------------------
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5  [ show all ]

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* The Holographic Universe- Science and Spirituality
( 1 2 3 all )
gettinjiggywithit 6,633 42 03/17/08 03:25 AM
by 764hero
* The Universe as a Hologram?
( 1 2 all )
deCypher 3,076 27 05/19/09 09:17 AM
by deCypher
* Holographic Universe. Life changing read. DarkMushrooom 1,832 16 07/23/03 11:30 PM
by HagbardCeline
* The Universe as a Hologram seethe303 1,699 15 05/31/03 12:08 AM
by DailyPot
* The Universe as a Hologram kb73 1,199 5 09/03/03 03:07 AM
by Rhizoid
* The Holographic Universe Iriebuddha 1,270 4 07/17/06 12:01 PM
by ElectricJW
* levels
( 1 2 3 all )
numb59 7,677 41 08/29/01 08:21 PM
by Mighty Bop
* Holograms - the whole in every piece? zee_werp 1,702 5 09/22/04 09:04 AM
by trendal

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, DividedQuantum
1,901 topic views. 0 members, 13 guests and 6 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.053 seconds spending 0.007 seconds on 12 queries.