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Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: trendal]
#5786124 - 06/24/06 08:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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trendal said: For a moment let's pretend that, through some trick of logic or scientific discovery, we were able to prove "beyond a doubt" that this "life" was all that there was - no afterlife or anything beyond this limited existence. For the sake of this thread, imagine this proof is strong enough for you yourself to believe it.
Would you change the way you live your life? If so, what would you change? Would you do anything drastic or extreme?
I would continue doing exactly what I have been doing as I am convinced that this life is all there is for me.
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Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Icelander]
#5786140 - 06/24/06 09:11 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd do everything the same all over again.
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Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: trendal]
#5786153 - 06/24/06 09:23 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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through some trick of logic or scientific discovery, we were able to prove "beyond a doubt" that this "life" was all that there was - no afterlife or anything beyond this limited existence
Why would it be a "trick of logic" to believe there is no afterlife?
The majority of "religious" people have had their logic tricked into believing that an afterlife is likely.
With my logical mind and having personally observed absolutely no evidence of an afterlife of any kind (sure, you need to be dead, right?), why should I believe in heaven and hell? I don't.
Maybe later as I burn in hell I will say "Damn! I should have listened to all of those Christians!" 
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Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: LunarEclipse]
#5786169 - 06/24/06 09:37 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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That phrase was directed towards those who do believe in an afterlife. Obviously those of us who don't believe in one won't have to "pretend" we don't 
For everyone who said they wouldn't change anything: is this because you already live your life as if there isn't an afterlife? Or do you have some other reason for living as you do now?
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Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: trendal]
#5786177 - 06/24/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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For everyone who said they wouldn't change anything: is this because you already live your life as if there isn't an afterlife? Or do you have some other reason for living as you do now?
I do think there is an after-something, what it is I have no idea, and it doesn't have much impact on my courses of action here and now. I'm enjoying this process of growth and wouldn't want it in any other way.
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Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: LunarEclipse]
#5786181 - 06/24/06 09:55 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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With my logical mind and having personally observed absolutely no evidence of an afterlife of any kind (sure, you need to be dead, right?), why should I believe in heaven and hell? I don't.
The logical mind is only as good as the amount of information that is being imput into it. And how much information about the does a human mind have access to these days? Very little, therefore our logic at this point is really a weak tool.
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Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Triplexiosis]
#5786183 - 06/24/06 09:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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For everyone who said they wouldn't change anything: is this because you already live your life as if there isn't an afterlife? Or do you have some other reason for living as you do now?
I do think there is an after-something, what it is I have no idea, and it doesn't have much impact on my courses of action here and now. I'm enjoying this process of growth and wouldn't want it in any other way.
Spiritual growth is a dead end without eternal life, because no matter how much you grow you end up food for worms. and in 200 years nobody even knows you existed and how much you've grown.
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Spiritual growth is a dead end without eternal life, because no matter how much you grow you end up food for worms. and in 200 years nobody even knows you existed and how much you've grown.
So when I'm dead if I end up as just food for the worms I won't be aware of it. It won't matter for there will be no one who would it matter to. I can live with that.
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Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Triplexiosis]
#5786195 - 06/24/06 10:05 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Spiritual growth is a dead end without eternal life, because no matter how much you grow you end up food for worms. and in 200 years nobody even knows you existed and how much you've grown.
So when I'm dead if I end up as just food for the worms I won't be aware of it. It won't matter for there will be no one who would it matter to. I can live with that.
And if you are food for worms, then what is spiritual growth anyway?
One can grow from a rapist and murdered into a loving man, and one can grow from a loving man into a rapist and a murderer, either way you have grown into something else.
So are you saying all we need to do in life is constantly change into something else?
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So are you saying all we need to do in life is constantly change into something else?
not at all, I was simply refering to myself alone, and my subjective expirience of reality. Growing into a loving man is a pleasant thing to feel. Monkey likes pleasant expiriences. Monkey doesn't like pain physical or from guilty conscience, though it can get used to it. Yet it keeps inflicting pain on other "monkeys". What can I say? I like being a happy monkey.
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Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Triplexiosis]
#5786293 - 06/24/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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So are you saying all we need to do in life is constantly change into something else?
not at all, I was simply refering to myself alone, and my subjective expirience of reality. Growing into a loving man is a pleasant thing to feel. Monkey likes pleasant expiriences. Monkey doesn't like pain physical or from guilty conscience, though it can get used to it. Yet it keeps inflicting pain on other "monkeys". What can I say? I like being a happy monkey.
that makes sense
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Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: trendal]
#5786585 - 06/24/06 01:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I already live as though this life is all there is. My best guess is that the individual consciousness I know as "me" will cease when my body dies. My life force may be recycled in some way, but the memories and identity I have accumulated during my lifetime will not move on.
My aim is to enjoy my life to the fullest, connect as deeply as my loved ones will allow, and gracefully and gratefully let it all go when it is over.
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Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Veritas]
#5786614 - 06/24/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Great post as usual Veritas.
IMO you are the most awake person I have ever come across on this earth.
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Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Icelander]
#5786619 - 06/24/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey Icelander, is that Philip Greenspun's photo in your signiture?
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yes
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Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Icelander]
#5786636 - 06/24/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said: yes
you a member of photo.net?
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Came up in a Yahoo image search for sheep.
It's amazing how he got those people to all stare at him like that.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (06/24/06 01:49 PM)
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Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: Icelander]
#5786644 - 06/24/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Came up in a Yahoo image search for sheep.
oh, I figured
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Re: If this Life was all there Is [Re: trendal]
#5786684 - 06/24/06 02:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm an unique organism on a giant rock that orbits around a colossal ball of fire. This life seems interesting enough for me; I try not to worry about any others.
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"""I already live as though this life is all there is. My best guess is that the individual consciousness I know as "me" will cease when my body dies. My life force may be recycled in some way, but the memories and identity I have accumulated during my lifetime will not move on.
My aim is to enjoy my life to the fullest, connect as deeply as my loved ones will allow, and gracefully and gratefully let it all go when it is over. """
love your response...short and sweet but I don't agree with it,,, especially the part abt moving on. you beleive things just vanish?
here today gone tomorrow?
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