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OfflineAcurite1001
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HELP fellow shroomers!!!
    #5783774 - 06/23/06 01:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

First off I am sorry for not having a cam. I wish I had one. But I am going to tell you every step that I took to get to my failure. I have grown PF-teks before but this is my first time with rye grains.
Jars are 1 quart wide mouth jars.
I took the jars and poked two holes in the lids. One with a tiny nail and one with a screw driver. I pulled pollyfil tightly through the hole made by the screw driver. I cut the pollyfil string closely to the hole. So it LOOKS like a cotton ball on top of the hole with it short rope inside of the jar but it is not rope or cotton. It is actually pollyfil. I then filled the jars 1/3rd with rye grains and soaked them water for 12 hours in a 70 degrees room. I then drained them and ran water over them. I also washed out the jars. After drained and no water is dripping from them but they still look wet I loosly pour them back into the jars. They fill the jars a little bit over half now because the ryes have soaked up water and expanded. I then put the lids on and put duck tape over the small nail hole and I use a black marker to dot where the hole is. Then I double wrap them in tin foil and put rubberbands around the tin foil. I fill up the pressure cooker and cook 7 quart jars on 10 psi (the only psi I could use because I can't figure out how to change it and I even have the directions) for between 2 hours or 2 hours and 30 minutes.

Let it cool over night (over 10 hours to cool). I then spray everything down with Lysol and spray alot of Oust air sanitizer in the air. I pull off the rubber bands and tin foil. Open the spore syring and wipe down the needle with Alc pad, I also wipe down the duck tape. And I put 1cc of Golden Teachers (syringe had ALOT of visible spores in it) in each jar. When I pull the needle out I cover the small hole with the sticky part of two band aids. I then spray down two coffee filters and cover every jar with two coffee filters and use rubber bands to keep them in place. I kept my room at 80-86 degrees (I know 86 is high but sometimes it is hard to control). Right now it is 84.2 degrees in my room. This is day FIVE!!! And still no sign what so ever of any type of growth. I need help ASAP. I will be pleased to send spores to anyone who can actually get me growing something here. I have lots of different types of syringes. Thanks All!


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Re: HELP fellow shroomers!!! [Re: Acurite1001]
    #5783779 - 06/23/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Also a important info: I put them in a rubbermaid box for a few days with a cover over it and then I thought to my self. How is the polly filters going to let in gas exchange if that is there so I fanned in there daily and then I took two of them out of the box to see what would happen and still no growth!!!


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Re: HELP fellow shroomers!!! [Re: Acurite1001]
    #5783782 - 06/23/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I also have some PF-tek style pint jars in there and they are not growing either!!!


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Re: HELP fellow shroomers!!! [Re: Acurite1001]
    #5783787 - 06/23/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

5 dayz?  thats not that long to wait!

if by 2 weeks nothing growz... then start to worry  :grin:

Also... 2.5 hourz is a long time to Pressure Cook!


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Re: HELP fellow shroomers!!! [Re: Acurite1001]
    #5783806 - 06/23/06 01:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

5 days without colonization or any _visible_ colonization with multispore innoculations (spore syringe) is not uncommon. forget about your jars for about 2-3 days, you might be suprised what pops up overnight. also dont come back to this subject until about day 20 of no signs of growth, maybe day 15...after that time period, yea, you can start worrying.


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Re: HELP fellow shroomers!!! [Re: dysphoria]
    #5784020 - 06/23/06 02:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

But I have read that it should go from start to finsh in 15 days. If I don't see any growth in 15 days I am smashing them in my drive way furiously! I think i have done something wrong. Is 86 degrees too hot for them?


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Re: HELP fellow shroomers!!! [Re: Acurite1001]
    #5784084 - 06/23/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

no, 86 is the optimal temp, 86 inside the jar anyway
try lowering ambient temperature around jars (under them) to around 83, since the jars will produce some temperature on their own (a degree or two, i think....definitely higher for bulk substrates)

and yes, start to finish could take as little as 15 days, but realistically, even some of the best growers will take 3 weeks, or 21 days, including casing/pinning, and the like. the average novice grower can expect the average month to a month and a half to see the fruits of their labor.

lets face it, you cannot reasonably expect your rye to magically colonize in 9-12 days with no prior experience with grains. i assume this is your first batch, this first batch could be too dry, or too wet...in which case, you cant do anything to the jar to make it start colonizing faster, you can only sit there, wait, and watch it grow...or not grow. in the meanwhile, what you can do, that would help speed things up for you, is to prepare more grains, over and over and over again until you get an idea of the proper moisture content, proper sterilization and inoculation techniques. eventually, you'll get it, you'll find that one rare jar that colonizes in 9 days, and you'll be stoked. soon after that, your percentage of quick colonizers versus 'sub-quality' spawn will increase to the point to where you expect quick colonizing jars and you're tossing the sub-quality ones simply due to space vs. time of the dynamic grow op.


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Re: HELP fellow shroomers!!! [Re: dysphoria]
    #5784193 - 06/23/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, This is my first time using rye grains. But I also have another question. I bought the rye from a health food store and they had it in a dispenser that looks something like what you get coffee beans out of at your local grocery store. And it just said Rye Berries. It didn’t say anything about being organic or anything like that. Could they have used fungicides on my rye? Everything else in the store was organic this and organic that. I emptied there rye container and then came back the next day and emptied it again. I hope I am not left with a bunch of rye that wont work. Thanks all.


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Re: HELP fellow shroomers!!! [Re: Acurite1001]
    #5784208 - 06/23/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

sounds like some places in atx
anyway, yea its fine
remember this shit is about to be ate, or is marketed to be ate by humans
its going to have very little if any alteration


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