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ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum
    #5783077 - 06/23/06 06:19 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

ok, we get the same questions DAILY...

we all know them.

what happens when we see em?

the people get flamed, and the mods lock it ( goooo mods!) , and they get lost in the pile of dead posts.

well this is sort of cutting our hands off to save our arms ( or some other stupid comparison lol )

the problem is:

the post is lost in the pile ( sometimes within hours) , soooo the next newbie doesn't read it, and repeats the SAME question

if they are to lazy to read the faqs, what makes us think they are going to scroll back 2 or three pages of posts...

what we need is a read only sub forum....... sort of a garbage bin type forum, that all of the post that are just plain simple and could have been easily answered in the FAQ, or shows the user hasn't done their homework etc etc etc.

this way the next newbie can not only see the responses and answers the offending post had, BUT also see the flames and people telling the first poster to read the faq, do more homework etc.

this would not take any modding as its read only

lol I'm not trying to get a new forum i may have the chance to mod in ..anno made it clear a few years back, that that wont happen in this life time , when he said " not in this lifetime" lmao

plus it would show the newbie what is expected of them and acceptable on the boards, it would also cut down on "read the faq, click lock"

This is just an idea, but i thought about it all day yesterday, and i believe it will work.


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Re: ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum [Re: ChromeCrow]
    #5802289 - 06/29/06 06:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I second that. Sounds like a really good idea that I never even would have thought of.


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Re: ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum [Re: fastfred]
    #5802369 - 06/29/06 07:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

thanks for the support FF.. i was visiting a non-drug site im a member of, and after i checked the thread i was following, i went straight to their garbage bin.. this got me thinking.

people love to see bad things ( as long as it isnt happening to them ) kind of the "looking at a car accident" mentality...

so even though they are to lazy to read the FAQ's, or do a search they WILL read the cultivation garbage bin..

even if only to see who is being bad, and what is being said...

but no matter what the reason they are looking at the bin, they will be getting the message


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Re: ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum [Re: ChromeCrow]
    #5802432 - 06/29/06 08:32 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

>they WILL read the cultivation garbage bin

I don't get it: Why would they read THAT if they don't care to read the FAQ?


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Re: ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum [Re: Anno]
    #5802456 - 06/29/06 08:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

like i said its the "look at a car accident mentality" ...

people LIKE to see OTHERS misfortunes...

my plan is just using human nature to our advantage


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Re: ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum [Re: ChromeCrow]
    #5802599 - 06/29/06 09:46 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

IMO such a forum could/would make the newbies believe that this is the communication level that is desired on these boards, which is quite the opposite of what we want them to behave.

The splash screen is active again from today on, let's see if it has any positive effect.


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Re: ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum [Re: Anno]
    #5802702 - 06/29/06 10:17 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

you should code something that slams the faq in their face


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Re: ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum [Re: ohmatic]
    #5802705 - 06/29/06 10:18 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

with a message like "FAQ YOU MOTHAFUCKA!!" Maybe. Maybe.


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Re: ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5802718 - 06/29/06 10:21 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

bruce lee style - BLAM

then ddos the user :mad2:


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Re: ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum [Re: ohmatic]
    #5802742 - 06/29/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Or how about they are not allowed to post unless they click a button on each FAQ page verifying they have read the page. Maybe they won't read them, and they'll just click the buttons. But if it is truly a stupid question they will run into the answer when skipping through the FAQs.


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Re: ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum [Re: Anno]
    #5804562 - 06/29/06 08:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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IMO such a forum could/would make the newbies believe that this is the communication level that is desired on these boards, which is quite the opposite of what we want them to behave.






k ....was just trying to help, and really thought i had hit on something that would FINALLY work.. splash screen didnt make a difference before, locking posts doesnt do anything

just thought we needed something new and inventive.. and i honestly believe my idea would make more of a difference then any suggested or tried yet, but its your site and i respect that.

nuff said on the subject


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Re: ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum [Re: ChromeCrow]
    #5804567 - 06/29/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I think splitting the mush cult would help,

one for newbies, then all the redundant questions can be asked,

And the good post wont get lost, if there was two,


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Re: ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5805147 - 06/29/06 11:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

And what exactly will make the newbies post their redundant questions in that one forum? And who is going to answer the redundant questions in that one forum?


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Re: ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum [Re: Anno]
    #5805166 - 06/29/06 11:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I dont think that should be a concern, I for one,

And may others, we like helping when we can, I dont think that forum will die, there are many people that would help out,

It just a matter of clutter, I dont think it will be the blind leading the blind,

We're here to learn and share information,


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Re: ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum [Re: ChromeCrow]
    #5805840 - 06/30/06 03:06 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Why not.. just take, say, oh.. three minutes? tops? and answer their question?



Nobody was ever a noob before?



And if they're so simple and redundant, why can't you just fucking answer them? Maybe.. oh I dunno.. provide a link to the FAQ to which you're referring?


Or, god forbid, a simple hyperlink?


You know.. being a productive, helpful member of the community?


Idk about you guys but when I was a total noob I felt like the biggest fool imaginable when I got flamed. Anno just linked me to the FAQ and that was it.


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Re: ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum [Re: Adden]
    #5805939 - 06/30/06 04:01 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

:smile:


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Re: ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum [Re: Roadkill]
    #5806023 - 06/30/06 05:17 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I should start helpin out more in the mush cult section... I'm a slacker... I definitely appreciated help in the beginning but to be honest I never made the newb mistakes.. but then again I read the mmgg and pf tek when I was in the 8th grade so I had a pretty good idea of how it worked before I ever became a member here

its funny cause I would get teased on occasion in hs for being so interested in drugs and reading on the internet...it was relatively new at that point(the internet) and most ppl thought I was getting bogus info I guess...but still to this day most of the shit I tried to tell them was 100% correct and now a days ppl flock to me for info/shrooms etc :P...and I learned at young age how to teach myself and use the internet so jokes on them! HAHAHA


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Re: ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5819116 - 07/04/06 08:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The cult forum should be split just because of the volume of posts. Plus there is a world of difference between the first grow and everything after. There are a lot of forums here, and quite a few of them have little or nothing to do with mushies, yet there are only two cultivation forums (not counting edibles). I'm sure there would still be people willing to help the noobs, for a lot of people that's why they're here.

I also think the garbage bin is still a good idea. Maybe garbage bin isn't the best way to describe it though. Could be called "read the FAQ" or something like that. Just tack a link to the FAQ on each question and move it to the "repeatedly answered questions" bin or whatever you want to call it. It would only be for those VERY frequently asked questions that have clear answers.


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Re: ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum [Re: fastfred]
    #5819592 - 07/04/06 11:19 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

or how about this.

Everyone with under 200 posts has all there "posts" displayed in green color on the forum listings.

everyone with 1000 has yellow posts

everyone with over that gets red.

that way nomatter where a person is posting you know before you click on the thread a gerneral idea what your gunna see.

But also the faqs and all that guide stuff needs reworked because its very hard to navagate at first and find where stuff is at in it.


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Re: ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #5819872 - 07/04/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> its very hard to navagate

How exactly is it hard to navigate?


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Re: ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum [Re: Anno]
    #5819986 - 07/04/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

why not just initiate a test that has to be taken before they can make more than say 10 posts in the cult forum? I know that would take lots of time and effort...and money...but think about it. They get less than say 80-90% and they can't post in mush cult until they get that high of a grade. Make the test takeable once per week, but don't give them the correct answers at the end. That might also make them use the search function to find the answers. Also, do not make it permittable to "cheat", persay, by asking others openly in the forums.


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Re: ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum [Re: demiu5]
    #5820092 - 07/04/06 01:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> why not just initiate a test that has to be taken before they can make more than say 10 posts in the cult forum?

I think this is the best idea yet! I don't think they should be able to make ANY posts until they can pass a simple test. You could just put all the most FAQs on it. That would solve 90% right there.


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Re: ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum [Re: Anno]
    #5820152 - 07/04/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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> its very hard to navagate

How exactly is it hard to navigate?




like i said at "first" it was kinda hard.

there is just so much information one needs to take in, one just kinda gets frustrated at first and there's so many guides that basicly say the same thing just with different words or a slight twist.

which adds to the bulk reading which is good because you get to see them different ways, but for a complete beginner i think it just confused me a little at first or made it too much reading or hard to find stuff i duno....

but i feel noobs could read teks up and down and still have a few questions and they should be allowed to ask them.

as for a quiz for a noob to take, ill add to the idea. After registration have a pm sitting in there box. in this pm have a list of questions from one of the hunts.

have it so you anwser the questions like taking a poll. if answers > 50% then you can post in forums.

but untill they post in the forums have it so they can still PM ANYONE.

then give them a list of people who voulinteer to answer pms for noobs or what not.

sounds good to me?


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Re: ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum [Re: ChromeCrow]
    #5820226 - 07/04/06 02:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I just posted this in the Mush Cult in response to...

What is the best strain?


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5820201#Post5820201


:smirk:



tc


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Re: ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum [Re: Roadkill]
    #5820505 - 07/04/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i posted a reply too.


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Re: ending repeat noob posts in the Cult forum [Re: automan]
    #5825449 - 07/05/06 09:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Meh, I'll bite...

The "test" idea is not a bad idea actually... only I wouldn't so much limit the idea to a scavanger hunt...

Being someone who's read the FAQs and forums here for a couple of YEARS before actually signing up, I wasn't faced with the need to ask stupid questions that I could have easily found.

"Ah, But Zuxi! You asked the age old question of injecting nutes into spent cakes for rebirth!" (I could have read the cult forum all day without coming up with that thread and probably come up with mushies. But, being somewhat "green" to the understanding of how mushies absorb and use the nutes, regardless of information given, I would still wonder why this wouldn't be a possibility.--Maybe a thank you should be offered for the almost non-existent flaming! lol. Here's the link to the  life cycle.)

Maybe the answer then doesn't lie (in some cases) in newbs not reading the FAQs (as mentioned earlier, someone can read something and still just not get it...) but actually comprehending them, or taking the knowledge to set memory. (I know this isn't the case for most newbs, but stick with me here, you'll get it, promise.)

My suggestion is to have an Auto-welcome PM titled something to the like of "So you wanna be a Shroomerite?", welcome them to the site, and stress that without research there is no success, telling them that that PM is their first step, and giving a summary of how mushrooms actually function, grow, and thrive, similar to  This.

A summary of basics, the whys and why nots, and generally accepted knowledge not included in the facts should accompany a list of categories (using a disclaimer for those in illegal growing areas) link them directly to FAQ category pages based on their desired knowledge (EXAMPLE: Beginner Growing--PF Cakes, DE casing, simple production setups, Beginner inoculation/link to sponsors forum. Intermediate Growing--Casing; Different substrates; Different methods of inoculation. Advanced growing--experiment information, maybe even set experiements they can practice on their own, and guidelines to forming their own experiments, get them asking beneficial questions and put us on a path toward discovery for everyone.) and not to mention a link to commonly used abbreviations.

For it to be more effective, include in the email confirmation/account approval (I know with most boards it's a custom msg) for them to check their PM box for their first stop shop and welcome message.

This idea does three things.

First, it slaps them in the face with the knowledge they were looking for to begin with but too lazy to look for, and seriously cuts down on repeating questions.

Second, it organizes the information on a broken down level so that it's easier for the new member to grasp without as much confusion. It starts from square one.

Third, it would potentially increase success rates among novice growers.

How do we decide what goes into the welcome letter? It can be a community effort. Repeating forum questions, and poll our newbies. Poll our older members--what makes their grows successful? Is there a piece of knowledge not listed in the FAQ that clarified the process for them in the beginning? By learning about mushrooms themselves what has donated to enlightened process?

The whole deal would not have to be very long, and the categories could be grouped into beginner, intermediate, and advanced in a total of 4 pages. The first, the main page listing categories and discriptions, then subsequentially each of the three categories have their own pages of only directional links/discriptions. The pages themselves wouldn't take too long to update being it's just c/p'ing the original code template and c/p'ing applicable links. The time consuming issue would be polling our members, and by the knowledge and activity around this place, I'm willing to bet most subjects would be covered in two weeks TOPS, and the time needed to update of course could be done where spare time is available.

If you want to have them take a test to post, it would ensure they've actually read the FAQ and have somewhat of a decent comprehension of the given information--if not, we still cut down on flaming them for being a lazy losers, because it would, "slap them in the face"

Sorry this is so long, and like everyone else... just an idea.

thx for reading :laugh:
-Zuxi

>>edit<< Clarification: the summary would include life cycle and better understanding--and a link to the newbie FAQ, and of course, update it with any new questions etc >>/edit<<


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